Need to upgrade parts of my current build. Asking for advises.

[winterwonderland]

Gosh, let me see.. I was referring to the op...

the op is set on 2700x
might wanna read the discussion

I assume Mr is talking about R5 3600, since it's the same price as the R7 2700... The R5 3600 3.6 ghz is priced the same as R7 2700 3.7 ghz.... so, wouldn't it be wiser to go for the 2700 then, or?

 

[NoJuan999]

The R7 2700 is a pretty bad performer.
My R5 2600 (OC'd to 4 GHz) out performed it by quite a bit.
The 2700x on the other hand easily out performed my OC'd 2600.

 

[winterwonderland]

The R7 2700 is a pretty bad performer.
My R5 2600 (OC'd to 4 GHz) out performed it by quite a bit.
The 2700x on the other hand easily out performed my OC'd 2600.

Geez.... i am so sorry for not remembering to add the "X" behind it... Whenever i have been talking about 2700, i actually meant R7 2700X 3.7ghz... that has the same price as the R5 3600 mentioned earlier...

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Why discount the 3600 over the 2700x the former is 5-10% better in gaming at the op's 1080p resolution and almost the same at multicore productivity, probably more so since the new agesa updates that fix boost...

 

[NoJuan999]

Why discount the 3600 over the 2700x the former is 5-10% better in gaming at the op's 1080p resolution and almost the same at multicore productivity, probably more so since the new agesa updates that fix boost...

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs AMD Ryzen 7 2700X

We compare the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X with a wide selection of benchmark tools and data to help you choose the right processor, for your computing needs.

www.hwbench.com

 

[winterwonderland]

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs AMD Ryzen 7 2700X

We compare the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X with a wide selection of benchmark tools and data to help you choose the right processor, for your computing needs.

www.hwbench.com

So, what me, the noob, learned from that, is that 2700X, which is $5 cheaper than 3600, is a better option for me and my tasks/use?

 

[MrPotatoHead]

Bare in mind that this was with the first review bios for ryzen 3000 and they have since improved boost and memory

AMD Ryzen 5 3600 vs AMD Ryzen 7 2700X

We compare the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with the AMD Ryzen 7 2700X with a wide selection of benchmark tools and data to help you choose the right processor, for your computing needs.

www.hwbench.com

 

[NoJuan999]

Bare in mind that this was with the first review bios for ryzen 3000 and they have since improved boost and memory

Actually the BIOS versions released to the Reviewers performed better than the Officially released BIOS versions which is why AMD recently released AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA to get the Boost clocks back up to where they were with the Review BIOS version.
Those are just getting released now, my BIOS still has AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB.

For gaming I personally would recommend the 3600.
But for multicore Video Encoding and similar work loads I'd still recommend the 2700x or even better the 3700x (if his budget allowed it).

 

[winterwonderland]

Actually the BIOS versions released to the Reviewers performed better than the Officially released BIOS versions which is why AMD recently released AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA to get the Boost clocks back up to where they were with the Review BIOS version.
Those are just getting released now, my BIOS still has AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB.

For gaming I personally would recommend the 3600.
But for multicore Video Encoding and similar work loads I'd still recommend the 2700x or even better the 3700x (if his budget allowed it).

Well, i can for sure say that i will ONLY be a casual gamer. no hardcore or so. That is why 3700X will be beyond my reach when it comes to my budget, unfortunately. HOWEVER, if i am able to find a good sale on 3700X, how big of a difference would that make for my purposes, which is more all-around (a little gaming, video/picture editing, streaming) instead of focusing on just 1 area (gaming/streaming)..

And what about mobo? If i'd go for 2700X or 3700X, is it still M450-F Gaming that is the recommended one?

 

[NoJuan999]

I am only a casual gamer, but I do stream to 2 1080p TV's with PLEX pretty much all day everyday and do some video encoding (a few times a week) so the 3700x makes a pretty big difference for me compared to the Ryzen 5 2600 (OC'd to 4 Ghz) that I was using.
Everything just feels smoother (games don't stutter due to streaming) and my encodes take just over 1/2 as long as they did.
As for motherboards that is really up to you, but I have a B450 board running my 3700x and it works great.

 

[winterwonderland]

I am only a casual gamer, but I do stream to 2 1080p TV's with PLEX pretty much all day everyday and do some video encoding (a few times a week) so the 3700x makes a pretty big difference for me compared to the Ryzen 5 2600 (OC'd to 4 Ghz) that I was using.
Everything just feels smoother (games don't stutter due to streaming) and my encodes take just over 1/2 as long as they did.
As for motherboards that is really up to you, but I have a B450 board running my 3700x and it works great.

Gotcha. Sounds like you have the same usage field as i do then. But is 3700X that much better than then 2700X? cuz here, it's about $150 difference between those 2.... what you reckon? And yes, that B450 mobo looks like it's well within my budget, so i will probably go for that. and that will fit inside my current tower, yes?

 

[NoJuan999]

The 3700x was a pretty big upgrade from my 2600 but I don't think it would have made anywhere near as much difference from a 2700x.
And you can geta B450 board to fit pretty much any size case.
My Asus ROG Strix B450-F is an ATX MB and I have a Mid tower case.
I did just buy a full tower case I am going to switch over to though.
I bought the bigger case because I have a LOT of HDDs (3) and SSDs (4) in my case and the bigger case will just fit them better and not be as cluttered.

 

[winterwonderland]

The 3700x was a pretty big upgrade from my 2600 but I don't think it would have made anywhere near as much difference from a 2700x.
And you can geta B450 board to fit pretty much any size case.
My Asus ROG Strix B450-F is an ATX MB and I have a Mid tower case.
I did just buy a full tower case I am going to switch over to though.
I bought the bigger case because I have a LOT of HDDs (3) and SSDs (4) in my case and the bigger case will just fit them better and not be as cluttered.

So, seeing that it would cost me $150 MORE for that 3700X, i can easily go for that 2700X instead, since the difference isn't THAT insane, right?

Yes, that mobo is definitely well within my price range + it seems to be packed with all necessary connections etc.

What about cooling for the CPU considering the tower i am currently using? Would NH-D15 suit nicely for that, perhaps?

 

[NoJuan999]

Yes, I think a 2700x will work very well for you and keep your cost at a reasonable level.
If the NH-D15 fits in your case then it is an Excellent cooler and would work Very well on a 2700x.

 

[winterwonderland]

Yes, I think a 2700x will work very well for you and keep your cost at a reasonable level.
If the NH-D15 fits in your case then it is an Excellent cooler and would work Very well on a 2700x.

Neat. Then it's decided; 2700X and Strix B450-F Gaming. cool. Thanks for clearing that out for me.

I will ask the shop if that NH-D15 will fit my tower...

Now, to figure out the GPU... 1660 is the lowest i can go for, right? But it seems to be pretty empty of those cards on ebay... particularly the MSI one mentioned earlier... Buying the gpu you mentioned directly from the store costs about $450 over here, which is a tad bit over my budget... Any other suggestions there, perhaps?

 

[NoJuan999]

You could look at a GTX 1060 6 GB or a n AMD RX 580 8 GB card.
They are both decent cards and about the same performance wise (both a step down from a 1660 or 1660 Ti).
The RX 580 uses quite a bit more power though so you would need a good 550W or higher PSU if you get one.

 

[cucker tarlson]

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Super Releases on Oct 29nd

Chinese website ITHome has new info on the release of NVIDA's GeForce GTX 1660 Super graphics cards. According to their website, the release is expected for October 22nd, which seems credible, considering NVIDIA always launches on a Tuesday. As expected, the card will be built around the Turing...

www.techpowerup.com

!!!

 

[winterwonderland]

Ok, to sum it up, these are the parts i will be aiming to upgrade (look at my system specs to see my current system):
- G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 3200MHz 2x8GB (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB)
- MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Ventus XS OC HDMI 3xDP 6GB
- Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming
- AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz Socket AM4 Box

@NoJuan999 you mentioned that i COULD go for MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X HDMI 3xDP 6GB, but it is priced roughly the same as the 1660 i mentioned above... I take it that there aren't other alternatives, other than 3rd party brands, right?

Also, any alternatives for the mobo? Just so i will have more options to go for. I take it that a mobo with "Gaming" in the name is what i need so it will work good for my purposes;
- Multi-streaming + multi-browsing at once
- Casual video editing
- Casual photoshop use
- Casual gaming (nothing too hardcore, just some simple gaming)

Thanks again for all the advises!

 

[NoJuan999]

Ok, to sum it up, these are the parts i will be aiming to upgrade (look at my system specs to see my current system):
- G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 3200MHz 2x8GB (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB)
- MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Ventus XS OC HDMI 3xDP 6GB
- Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming
- AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz Socket AM4 Box

That is a Very solid build and will work well for your stated use.

The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max and MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC are also both very good motherboards.
I considered those two when I built my system, I just liked the Asus ROG Strix B450-F best for my wants and needs.
But if you do choose a different MB make sure that the RAM kit you buy is listed as compatible with it so you don't run into any issues getting the RAM to run at it's rated speed.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Ok, to sum it up, these are the parts i will be aiming to upgrade (look at my system specs to see my current system):
- G.Skill Ripjaws V Black DDR4 3200MHz 2x8GB (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB)
- MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Ventus XS OC HDMI 3xDP 6GB
- Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming
- AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz Socket AM4 Box

@NoJuan999 you mentioned that i COULD go for MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X HDMI 3xDP 6GB, but it is priced roughly the same as the 1660 i mentioned above... I take it that there aren't other alternatives, other than 3rd party brands, right?

Also, any alternatives for the mobo? Just so i will have more options to go for. I take it that a mobo with "Gaming" in the name is what i need so it will work good for my purposes;
- Multi-streaming + multi-browsing at once
- Casual video editing
- Casual photoshop use
- Casual gaming (nothing too hardcore, just some simple gaming)

Thanks again for all the advises!

wait for 1660 super !!!

 

[winterwonderland]

That is a Very solid build and will work well for your stated use.

The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max and MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC are also both very good motherboards.
I considered those two when I built my system, I just liked the Asus ROG Strix B450-F best for my wants and needs.
But if you do choose a different MB make sure that the RAM kit you buy is listed as compatible with it so you don't run into any issues getting the RAM to run at it's rated speed.

Ah okay. What are the big/key differences between B450 Tomahawk Max and Strix B450-F? I see that the Strix has a newer HDMI-version... More USB-ports... 1 more PCIE x16-slot... All kinda irrelevant to me.. Both mobos are priced the same over here. Any thoughts on that?

Also, how can i see if the Noctua NH-D15 will fit that mobo + my current tower?

Any thoughts on cucker tarlson's suggestion on the 1660 Super?

wait for 1660 super !!!

Yep, it looks very promising, for sure. And the price seems to be quite good as well.

I am not going to buy these parts until late november, by the way. Must wait for black friday to commence which is when i will get these. By then, i hope that 1660 will be available. How will 1660 Super work for the list above?

Thanks for all the inputs, you two!

 

[NoJuan999]

The only thing I don't like about the MSI boards is that there have been a lot of posts (on a different tech forum I frequent) about how buggy their BIOS tends to be.
But other than that, the boards themselves look to be pretty good.

As far as the 1660 Super vs the 1660 Ti, I can't say yet since they haven't released the Super.
Once they do, I'm sure there will be at least a few good reviews comparing the 1660 Super to the 1660 Ti.
Once that happens you will be able to make an informed choice.

 

[winterwonderland]

The only thing I don't like about the MSI boards is that there have been a lot of posts (on a different tech forum I frequent) about how buggy their BIOS tends to be.
But other than that, the boards themselves look to be pretty good.

As far as the 1660 Super vs the 1660 Ti, I can't say yet since they haven't released the Super.
Once they do, I'm sure there will be at least a few good reviews comparing the 1660 Super to the 1660 Ti.
Once that happens you will be able to make an informed choice.

Ah i understand. But... what other mobos should i go for then if i'd consider other brands than MSI? When i read what you wrote, i had to google it myself, and yep, you're right on that... they do tend to be quite buggy, yes.

Yes, i will wait. Not going to do the upgrade until black friday anyway, hehe. Good time to properly go through the stuff that i want to have, for sure.

 

[NoJuan999]

Youi could take a look at the Asrock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming K4 and Asrock B450 Pro4.
I haven't done any research on those but I do know they both have decent VRMs.
So I'd recommend you check reviews of them to see how well (or not) they were rated.

And possibly the Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite, which again I have NOT researched at all.

 

[cucker tarlson]

some 1660 super leaks show it's worth waiting for,just like 5500xt

if this ends up 10% faster at same/reduced price it's gonna be really good for the money.

may wanna wait for 5600xt too,might be an absolute price/performance killer,though if you're looking for a card for streaming turing might be better thanks to its very good encoder.


@minstreless list a couple of b450 boards that are within your budget,we'll pcik the best one.


god damn this build is turning out to be really nice for the money.
2700x and 1660 super are gonna do a fantastic job for 1080p streaming both for now and well into the future and it won't cost you that much.