How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers?

[Kanan]

Well, FWIW I believe AMD has been addressing the enthusiast segment more than Nvidia because of their market position, the more they grow, the more their policies and software will start resembling those of Nvidia and Intel, that is, a simple and more reliable environment with way fewer customization options and less intergeneration compatibility. This is already starting to show in their CPU policies. In future, they will offer much more similar experiences, I wonder what topics will animate fan battles in the fora ?

The difference is more like, AMD/ATI is for tinkerers, and Nvidia more or less, isn't. Nvidia has a heck load of options, just the driver UI looks outdated as fuck compared to Radeon Adrenalin. For my experience with Radeon, I didn't tinker much, but I can see that the new ones have a heck load of tinkering options, like Radeon Chill, Sharpening, etc. Nvidia, in that regard, they have things like Ansel, DLSS, RTX, more or less useless features, at least to me and for now. RTX needs still time IMO. Radeon Chill is more interesting than those.

PS. Enthusiast, I mean it depends how you define it. Talking performance, AMD has no "enthusiastic" GPUs at all. RDNA 2 could change that, though. I certainly hope so.

 

[bug]

I don't know about that. I played Battlefield's (multiple), World of Warcraft, some other AAA titles, even some indie games, no problems. The worst thing was, Crossfire not working in 2 games, and that's it. People talk about the 4000 or 5000 series like their drivers were hell, but I've never seen it, the cards were one of the best I ever had. People exaggerate today as well. Drivers are probably 99% fine.

Yes, I think this needs to be said again.
Even whrn you buy way more expensive stuff, there are bad batches. Be it an OLED TV, a BMW and whatnot, sometimes the defect rate is higher than the average. People get riled up, but it's still about issues in well under 10% of the products sold. The real annoyance here is comfort: you have to return the product, sometimes wait for a while while the problem is investigated all the while your money's gone and you get nothing in return.
In this particular case it's slightly more puzzling that AMD hasn't announced they even identified the problem.

And once more, if you live in a civilized country, this is still not an issue. But in some countries, returning/servicing does not go that smooth and in those cases, you may want to exercise extra caution.

There's no fraud, incompetence or anything else going on here. It's just a batch of bad luck for AMD.

See ,who exactly is dispensing opinions on how this is playing out.
It's possibly hardware now because you found ?? What exactly.

Funny.

What's funny? 2080Ti had somewhat similar issues and it turned out it was about a bad batch of VRAM.

 

[Kanan]

Fact is, I was about to buy a 5700 XT, and reddit was full of people with driver problems, so I bought a 1080 Ti used instead. But today, it should be fine. I cut them some slack, the architecture was brand new. The company is smaller and has not just GPUs which they have to manage.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Yes, I think this needs to be said again.
Even whrn you buy way more expensive stuff, there are bad batches. Be it an OLED TV, a BMW and whatnot, sometimes the defect rate is higher than the average. People get riled up, but it's still about issues in well under 10% of the products sold. The real annoyance here is comfort: you have to return the product, sometimes wait for a while while the problem is investigated all the while your money's gone and you get nothing in return.
In this particular case it's slightly more puzzling that AMD hasn't announced they even identified the problem.

And once more, if you live in a civilized country, this is still not an issue. But in some countries, returning/servicing does not go that smooth and in those cases, you may want to exercise extra caution.

There's no fraud, incompetence or anything else going on here. It's just a batch of bad luck for AMD.

What , so now back up your defective hardware prognosis.

If you can.

Your funny, you accused me of being a smart ass who knows everything, yet I'm not the one throwing opinions about that I can't prove or back up with experience.

And I'm not buying your opinions because they're weighted by nothing.

 

[ratirt]

Yes, I think this needs to be said again.
Even whrn you buy way more expensive stuff, there are bad batches. Be it an OLED TV, a BMW and whatnot, sometimes the defect rate is higher than the average. People get riled up, but it's still about issues in well under 10% of the products sold. The real annoyance here is comfort: you have to return the product, sometimes wait for a while while the problem is investigated all the while your money's gone and you get nothing in return.
In this particular case it's slightly more puzzling that AMD hasn't announced they even identified the problem.

Maybe there is nothing to identify when you use genuine components to work with the product but yet, you can't ignore the audience (potential customers) even though some of them (not wanting to buy the product anyway) spread unconfirmed and untrue info around.
If the batch is bad (like a video card) it is not AMD's fault (unless it's a faulty chip) but a card vendor.

 

[Kanan]

Maybe there is nothing to identify when you use genuine components to work with the product but yet, you can't ignore the audience (potential customers) even though some of them (not wanting to buy the product anyway) spread unconfirmed and untrue info around.
If the batch is bad (like a video card) it is not AMD's fault (unless it's a faulty chip) but a card vendor.

There's a website in germany which has user authentification, so it means, you can see if he is a true buyer of the GPU or not. And 5000 series GPUs have a lot of negative comments, though 80% are fine. It is not a rumour - drivers could be better. Then again, like I said, this is not an issue for experienced users.

 

[BoboOOZ]

The drivers nowadays offer way more stuff. Previously, all the settings were in games that your card either supports or not.
I'm still tweaking my Radeon drivers with the 5600XT. Seen some more things showing up. I've moved to Global settings but I can tell, for certain games, individual setting work better. I'm still testing features.

Indeed, they are much more than drivers in fact. Undervolting, framerate capping, changing thermal envelope are very powerful tools. If anything I think that AMD is making t a mistake in leaving them so easily accessible in the UI, because you need to test each time your system stability after these tweaks. I also had issues with this, I applied too ambitious an undervolting at my card would crash, but only under very heavy load...

The difference is more like, AMD/ATI is for tinkerers, and Nvidia more or less, isn't. Nvidia has a heck load of options, just the driver UI looks outdated as fuck compared to Radeon Adrenalin. For my experience with Radeon, I didn't tinker much, but I can see that the new ones have a heck load of tinkering options, like Radeon Chill, Sharpening, etc. Nvidia, in that regard, they have things like Ansel, DLSS, RTX, more or less useless features, at least to me and for now. RTX needs still time IMO. Radeon Chill is more interesting than those.

PS. Enthusiast, I mean it depends how you define it. Talking performance, AMD has no "enthusiastic" GPUs at all. RDNA 2 could change that, though. I certainly hope so.

You're right, I meant tinkerer, I guess they define "enthusiast" more based on the price point of the hardware than on the level of personal involvement in assembling and customizing it.

If leaks are true (and it would certainly seem so), DLSS and RTX will be much more useful in the new generation of cards. Gotta love competition, from a user standpoint

 

[Kanan]

If leaks are true (and it would certainly seem so), DLSS and RTX will be much more useful in the new generation of cards. Gotta love competition, from a user standpoint

I'm especially curious about the raytracing implementation of Radeon and hope it is better than the proprietary Nvidia nonsense. And of course, RDNA 2, big GPUs, competition, so Nvidia has to stop selling their highend card for 1200 bucks. It has to be like in Fury X / 980 Ti times again, where nvidia was forced to bring their very best to compete. Even 780 Ti, was a counter to 290X. But since 1000 series, there's no upper competition anymore, which is bad for the customer.

 

[Cranky5150]

I have really not had a problem with drivers tbh..Sure all drivers are a bit buggy from time to time but nothing that has really been a big deal.

 

[BoboOOZ]

I'm especially curious about the raytracing implementation of Radeon and hope it is better than the proprietary Nvidia nonsense.

Most likely, both Nvidia's and AMD's implementations of ray tracing will be significantly better than the current-gen.
However (this is just a personal opinion) I would be surprised if AMD's implementation was better than Nvidia's. Simply because it would be their first. It only needs to be good enough so that overall performance remains decent while enabling it.

And of course, RDNA 2, big GPUs, competition, so Nvidia has to stop selling their highend card for 1200 bucks. It has to be like in Fury X / 980 Ti times again, where nvidia was forced to bring their very best to compete. Even 780 Ti, was a counter to 290X. But since 1000 series, there's no upper competition anymore, which is bad for the customer.

From what the leaks and existing information show already, the new generation of cards will not be cheaper, unfortunately, both AMD and Nvidia seem motivated to keep the pricing scheme as it is. But they will probably offer a better price-performance ratio than the current one, and that is still a step in the good direction. But the top card will still cost 1200 bucks I'm afraid, just that instead of offering only 20% performance improvement over the previous generation, it will offer more like 40% gain, or 80% with RT on.

 

[Kanan]

Most likely, both Nvidia's and AMD's implementations of ray tracing will be significantly better than the current-gen.
However (this is just a personal opinion) I would be surprised if AMD's implementation was better than Nvidia's. Simply because it would be their first. It only needs to be good enough so that overall performance remains decent while enabling it.

I have hope for RDNA 2 Raytracing, because it will be in the new consoles, it has to be somewhat sophisticated in order to work well. RTX has no future IMO, because it is proprietary. IMO RDNA 2 will probably be better than Ampere anyway.

From what the leaks and existing information show already, the new generation of cards will not be cheaper, unfortunately, both AMD and Nvidia seem motivated to keep the pricing scheme as it is. But they will probably offer a better price-performance ratio than the current one, and that is still a step in the good direction. But the top card will still cost 1200 bucks I'm afraid, just that instead of offering only 20% performance improvement over the previous generation, it will offer more like 40% gain, or 80% with RT on.

The thing is, if there is no competition you get prices like 1200. With competition, this can not happen again, as they will get into a bidding war. Nvidia can only repeat this, if AMD fails to compete with the 3080 Ti. But if AMD has a comparable card, or even better one, they are forced to go into a bidding war, which makes 1200 $ unlikely.

 

[phanbuey]

The issue i have with AMD for friends / clients is that I don't want to get phone calls and texts every time it doesnt work quite right or because they decided to go with a second monitor for work and now when they game the whole setup goes dark or the second monitor shuts off.

Because of this I always put NVIDIA in my builds, you don't get the performance/$ as with AMD rx5600 or 5700 but having to worry if that setup is going to run a new game or a multi-monitor and game properly is kind of a huge deal not worth the $$.

 

[Kanan]

The issue i have with AMD for friends / clients is that I don't want to get phone calls and texts every time it doesnt work quite right or because they decided to go with a second monitor for work and now when they game the whole setup goes dark or the second monitor shuts off.

Not the first time I hear this, apparently a lot of people think like this. Thing is, drivers are supposed to work now, but, yeah, not sure. And I'm only building for myself, friends and family, I can take risks there, for others, I would think twice about that.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The issue i have with AMD for friends / clients is that I don't want to get phone calls and texts every time it doesnt work quite right or because they decided to go with a second monitor for work and now when they game the whole setup goes dark or the second monitor shuts off.

Because of this I always put NVIDIA in my builds, you don't get the performance/$ as with AMD rx5600 or 5700 but having to worry if that setup is going to run a new game or a multi-monitor and game properly is kind of a huge deal not worth the $$.

So is this thread now the ,I don't like AMD card's for X reason thread?.

Can we not just have specific hate threads for each brand, seriously.

I suggested that before.

Hater's gota hate but the constant tangential Bs is frustrating.

Is anyone bothering to read the title.

 

[R-T-B]

Is anyone bothering to read the title.

Are you? We are really talking about people ditching AMD cards over driver issues.

 

[Decryptor009]

Are you? We are really talking about people ditching AMD cards over driver issues.

Came close to launching mine out of the window, but now it is fixed i feel good... amazing how fickle some humans can be, me included.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Are you? We are really talking about people ditching AMD cards over driver issues.

I like many in the thread am not.

But if you look at what's going on here many of the poster's have not returned their card because of driver issues. ...

Some have never owned it like me.

I only piped up originally today because someone was miss informing others.

Read through this and the last page again then come back at all, not just me .

Rdna2 is prevalent ATM here?.

In fact you could re read that title, is it AMD card's (general)no , it's 5700 owner's.

So I repeat wouldn't per brand moan thread's be better.

Most of the owners are drowned out and obfuscated by tangential moaners.

 

[BoboOOZ]

I have hope for RDNA 2 Raytracing, because it will be in the new consoles, it has to be somewhat sophisticated in order to work well. RTX has no future IMO, because it is proprietary. IMO RDNA 2 will probably be better than Ampere anyway.

Well, I'd love to be proven wrong, but I am less optimistic than you. That would be a good thing, because I think that the price-performance ratio will still favor AMD. But besides the fact that they like to get high margins for products, Nvidia is a company with a highly competent R&D, they are really very tough to beat. I'm not saying that RDNA2 RT will not be decent, just that I imagine Nvidia's will be better.

The thing is, if there is no competition you get prices like 1200. With competition, this can not happen again, as they will get into a bidding war. Nvidia can only repeat this, if AMD fails to compete with the 3080 Ti. But if AMD has a comparable card, or even better one, they are forced to go into a bidding war, which makes 1200 $ unlikely.

Once again, I would love to be proven wrong, but I do not think we will see a price war. AMD will have a better price-perfornance ratio, but the top >700mm² die Nvidia card will still be 1200US, and I would call myself satisfied if I'd see a 500mm² die from AMD for less than 600$. AMD will position themselves within 10% of Nvidia pricing and they will steal a few additional market parts, but there will be no price war, everyone will be happy...

 

[R-T-B]

Came close to launching mine out of the window, but now it is fixed i feel good... amazing how fickle some humans can be, me included.

True dat. Been there myself.

 

[bug]

RTX has no future IMO, because it is proprietary.

RTX is mostly DXR and DXR is exactly what AMD will have to implement. Because it's in DirectX.

IMO RDNA 2 will probably be better than Ampere anyway.

And your opinion is based on?

 

[Vayra86]

I like many in the thread am not.

But if you look at what's going on here many of the poster's have not returned their card because of driver issues. ...

Some have never owned it like me.

I only piped up originally today because someone was miss informing others.

Read through this and the last page again then come back at all, not just me .

Rdna2 is prevalent ATM here?.

In fact you could re read that title, is it AMD card's (general)no , it's 5700 owner's.

So I repeat wouldn't per brand moan thread's be better.

Most of the owners are drowned out and obfuscated by tangential moaners.

Not a bad idea really, a topic where you can only post if you include actual data supporting your problem. Be it a screenshot, a sensor log, etc.

 

[ratirt]

Are you? We are really talking about people ditching AMD cards over driver issues.

For me there is no driver issues I did check it out. The bad fame is still in force. It is kinda sad because AMD's cards are good and they do offer like @BoboOOZ said, so much in features. Well I like it, maybe you have a different impression

RTX is mostly DXR and DXR is exactly what AMD will have to implement. Because it's in DirectX.

And your opinion is based on?

I do like your theories Back it up with some research or at least tell why you think that AMD should go NV's way? There's more way to reach the goal.

 

[EarthDog]

obfuscated by tangential moaners.

If I did sigs here... I'd sig this.

I want that to be my gaming clan tag...OTM.......could you imagine the Discord?

 

[Vayra86]

For me there is no driver issues I did check it out. The bad fame is still in force. It is kinda sad because AMD's cards are good and they do offer like @BoboOOZ said, so much in features. Well I like it, maybe you have a different impression


I do like your theories Back it up with some research or at least tell why you think that AMD should go NV's way? There's more way to reach the goal.

How is DirectX Nvidia's way? The API comes from MS and is part of Xbox. AMD is also pretty close to it. They have no reason NOT to support it.

Also. If you can't beat em, join em - they already forfeited on Mantle and that was that. Vulkan is also not exactly picking up steam, or am I wrong...

 

[ratirt]

How is DirectX Nvidia's way? The API comes from MS and is part of Xbox. AMD is also pretty close to it. They have no reason NOT to support it.

Also. If you can't beat em, join em - they already forfeited on Mantle and that was that. Vulkan is also not exactly picking up steam, or am I wrong...

Been talking about the RTX and rt cores. Specifically what NV has. RT and everything is coming for AMD. They have announced it and it will be great.
True not sure about the mantle. I thought Vulcan is a bigger mantle. I dont think AMD left it. It was implemented in Vulcan. There is some left overs from this but it doesn't matter.