Linus Has Some Things to Say about Core i9 and X299

jboydgolfer · Jun 7, 2017

FR@NK said:
I guess you guys dont watch big clive?

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I thought linus was a girl for the longest time...although i didnt watch many of his Video's to be fair, he's a nub imo

remixedcat · Jun 7, 2017

but honestly.. if you had 1200USD for a cpu would you get ryzen and have spare or spring for an i9?

cdawall · Jun 7, 2017

remixedcat said:
but honestly.. if you had 1200USD for a cpu would you get ryzen and have spare or spring for an i9?

As far as I have seen from personal use Ryzen is still a broken platform. So I would probably buy an i9 to be able to actually use things at rated specs.

FR@NK · Jun 7, 2017

remixedcat said:
but honestly.. if you had 1200USD for a cpu would you get ryzen and have spare or spring for an i9?

“I'm a man of simple tastes. I'm always satisfied with the best.”

― Oscar Wilde

GoldenX · Jun 7, 2017

Then buy tons of Cuda compute cards.

TheLostSwede · Jun 7, 2017

Frag_Maniac · Jun 7, 2017

FR@NK said:
How would cherry picked review samples effect reviews results? Would effect overclocks for sure but it wouldn't effect the performance of the chips running at the stock clock speeds.

We dont really need reviews anyways. These chips are similar IPC to current broadwell-e chips. Since we already have a good idea how broadwell-e performs, we can conclude that because skylake-x chips are running faster they will be faster. They also will cost less per core. Skylake-x will be the best performance per dollar jump compared to the previous generation we have ever seen from Intel. I'm sure anyone looking to spend $500 on a processor will gladly shell out the extra Benjamin for the 7820x.

Don't most OC 8 core chips just due to them being clocked lower? I mean look at all the fuss over OCing the Ryzens. Of course people will want to know how well these chips OC. If nothing else to see how they compare on max OC to Ryzen. Plus they've never come out with a well under $1000 8 core before. I also don't think it's good enough research, especially if you plan to buy one or at least compare to Ryzen before making a purchase decision, to just assume performance will be similar to past chips based on IPC alone.

The 7820x IS the one chip in the X line that drew my interest, just not sure I'm up for spending $600 on one, especially since I've seen Newegg promo the 1800x for about $450. One of the biggest tests will be how smoothly the 7820x games compared to the 1800x. I'm really not into bragging about how many more frames a chip cranks out (especially if I have to spend $100+ more for it) if it isn't as smooth at delivering them.

Then again, I'll likely be looking at prices end of year, not now, so we'll see how they compare then. Intel might have to get even more desperate on pricing if too many people pass on these chips. I can''t help but think though that when you consider the price of the 7820x, plus the fact that you have to buy an expensive MB and RAM just to use it, that the Coffee Lake S model 6 core will do much better sales wise. It just might prove to be the go to chip for those disgusted with Intel's X platform elitism and restrictions, yet not up for all the trial and error tweaking needed to make a Ryzen competitive.

HTC · Jun 7, 2017

cdawall said:
As far as I have seen from personal use Ryzen is still a broken platform. So I would probably buy an i9 to be able to actually use things at rated specs.

That's a bit premature IMO: how do you know the I9 works as intended right out of the box? Do you have a sample to test?

Until it's out, you shouldn't choose to go with I9 just because I7s work @ rated specs and Ryzen is a bit broken. When it's out, if indeed works @ rated specs, then you can go with I9 all you like.

johnspack · Jun 7, 2017

I hope both threadripper and i9 succeed, more selection for us broke bottom feeders who need multi cores to select from after they go used!

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2017

cdawall said:
As far as I have seen from personal use Ryzen is still a broken platform. So I would probably buy an i9 to be able to actually use things at rated specs.

Honestly that hasn't been my experience, but I jumped in at a beta bios of AGESA 1.0.0.6. Everything worked wonderfully.

HTC said:
That's a bit premature IMO: how do you know the I9 works as intended right out of the box? Do you have a sample to test?

Until it's out, you shouldn't choose to go with I9 just because I7s work @ rated specs and Ryzen is a bit broken. When it's out, if indeed works @ rated specs, then you can go with I9 all you like.

Intel does kinda have a "it just works" reputation, to be fair.

qubit · Jun 7, 2017

AsRock said:
Watched this yesterday and thought WOW they did really make this a pain in the ass. To the point were i think it might make people go to AMD to skip all the BS and future headaches.

Was going post it but i knew there was some hate against the guy, but he does have good points, although i would and do not trust him in nVidia \ AMD benchmarks now nVidia own the company.

He's owned by NVIDIA?! Well, that's interesting...

Frag_Maniac · Jun 7, 2017

HTC said:
That's a bit premature IMO: how do you know the I9 works as intended right out of the box? Do you have a sample to test?

Until it's out, you shouldn't choose to go with I9 just because I7s work @ rated specs and Ryzen is a bit broken. When it's out, if indeed works @ rated specs, then you can go with I9 all you like.

i9? Why is everyone calling the 7820X i9 when Intel is calling it an i7?
http://ark.intel.com/products/123767/Intel-Core-i7-7820X-Processor-11M-Cache-up-to-4_30-GHz

I also never implied it would "work as Intended" out of the box. If anything I said people are going to want to see reviews and consumer feedback to see how it compares to Ryzen when OCed.

Besides, I merely said it's the only one of the X series that drew my attention. I clearly said the 6 core Coffee Lake S will likely be priced more reasonably.

HTC · Jun 7, 2017

R-T-B said:
Honestly that hasn't been my experience, but I jumped in at a beta bios of AGESA 1.0.0.6. Everything worked wonderfully.

Intel does kinda have a "it just works" reputation, to be fair.

Really? Wasn't there a problem with one of Intel's lower end chips that had to be re-called or something?

Tried finding it to link here but i'm having no success : would help if i knew exactly which chip but i don't recall

It's very recent, as in about 1 month or so ago, i think.

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2017

HTC said:
Really? Wasn't there a problem with one of Intel's lower end chips that had to be re-called or something?

The Atom C2000 In NASes. They still "just worked" as far as platform. The chips just burned up eventually.

HTC · Jun 7, 2017

R-T-B said:
The Atom C2000 In NASes. They still "just worked" as far as platform. The chips just burned up eventually.

That's impossible ... you just said "Intel just works" ...

Are you sure it isn't some other brand?

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2017

HTC said:
That's impossible ... you just said "Intel just works" ...

Are you sure it isn't some other brand?

The "platform" just works. Big difference. Bios, etc. The CPUs were flawed as hell but that doesn't mean the bios wasn't doing its job.

EDIT: Ah, I see. I did indeed apply the "just works" to Intel globally. That may be a bit of a stretch and that's not what I meant.

HTC · Jun 7, 2017

R-T-B said:
The "platform" just works. Big difference. Bios, etc. The CPUs were flawed as hell but that doesn't mean the bios wasn't doing its job.

EDIT: Ah, I see. I did indeed apply the "just works" to Intel globally. That may be a bit of a stretch and that's not what I meant.

I see!

AFAIK, Intel doesn't usually have issues precisely because they haven't been rushing any CPU launches, which leads to more time for all other partners to develop the necessary components (boards, BIOSes, memory, etc). But they seem to be rushing now.

So:

- AMD rushed (for all intents and purposes) the Ryzen launch, which led to broken BIOSes and compatibility issues, like memory.

- Intel appears to be rushing the I9s launch: what makes you think they wont have issues in a rushed launch?

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2017

I think it won't have issues because it's Skylake based. It's essentially a super-polished Nehalem core. This is why Intel almost never has bios problems. AMD braved new waters with Ryzen, and it's got both benefits and downsides.

To be fair, I could be completely wrong. It has happened.

HTC · Jun 7, 2017

R-T-B said:
I think it won't have issues because it's Skylake based. It's essentially a super-polished Nehalem core. This is why Intel almost never has bios problems. AMD braved new waters with Ryzen, and it's got both benefits and downsides.

To be fair, I could be completely wrong. It has happened.

That just reduces the odds of having problems with the launch, IMO: but it doesn't eliminate them.

That's why i say it's a bit premature to choose something that's rushed and isn't even out yet over something that has a few problems: how about waiting for it to be out and then choose?

TheLostSwede · Jun 7, 2017

R-T-B said:
Intel does kinda have a "it just works" reputation, to be fair.

Really? That's not my experience as a someone that has tested and reviewed components and PC and whatnot for close to a decade. There's always some shit that's causing problems and it applies to all tech companies, regardless of product. I can't think of a single flawless product I have ever tested, but maybe it's just bad luck...

Silly example, my last three Intel boards (Z77, Z77, Z170) always had problems starting the Ethernet in a timely fashion so I would get a warning every time I started Windows that I couldn't connect to my NAS automatically. This doesn't happen on my X370 board, which co-incidentally also uses an Intel Ethernet controller. Maybe this was a board maker issue, but even so...

Intel had had plenty of strange launch bugs, broken SATA controllers and what not, but apparently no-one remembers these things. AMD, VIA, Cyrix and the rest have all had issues too, but I guess not everyone is old enough to remember this.

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2017

Maybe I just get lucky, I do buy hardware late. I'll recant my statement for now.

I remember the dying SATA controller thing, but that wasn't Intel but a third party chip I thought? Either way, doesn't change that I'll admit my experience may not be the norm.

EarthDog · Jun 7, 2017

I recall the sata port thing on p67... but, that really didnt affect most and took time for them to die...they also died when a lot of them were in use... not a huge deal for most...and something the b3 version of boards fixed for free iirc.

There are always teething issues on every platform. Some worse than others. Many complaints about ryzen platform out of the gate... memory is still sketch...

R-T-B · Jun 7, 2017

EarthDog said:
There are always teething issues on every platform. Some worse than others. Many complaints about ryzen platform out of the gate... memory is still sketch...

I must be incredibly lucky that I had no issues with 4 high speed sticks. Samsung B-Die probably helped though.

EarthDog · Jun 7, 2017

The sammy b die thing came out during its worst teething issues. That with the bios/microcode updates have helped since release. But you can see the stir it has caused with new people buying the platform being concerned about memory compatibilty and speed.

AsRock · Jun 7, 2017

qubit said:
He's owned by NVIDIA?! Well, that's interesting...

My bad, apparently it was a April fools joke from, well don't know but it was convincing HA, not the 1st time they done it apparently either. wish i could find the actual video though.

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Linus Has Some Things to Say about Core i9 and X299

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