Building a mobo from scratch?

[Mussels]

My brother could because hes so genius in designing electronic. He was hired in home electronic thermostat factory fo production he was so good they decided to transfer him to Research and development department after only 1 month.Thats a normal work but he dont want to work somewhere else for cash hes too happy with that simple work. Ok he could yes but with time and a big place lol.He is able to solder and unsolder even the smallest resistor on a motherboard.
Like me ..i would be able to fuly build a car from paper to metal but i dont have the space, the cash and the money.

even if he has the skills, he cant do anything without really expensive equipment - and the design process takes months, and is easy to screw up (if it was easy, why do you think theres so many crap mobos on the market )

 

[MohawkAngel]

I know he built his own chip programation device so its at least a good start but yeah ti take more than that hehe Theres is also many crap mobos on the market because ECS is still producing

 

[Velvet Wafer]

if you want to build something yourself,start with a vga... it must be much easier, due to lessened amount of component circuits. ive seen a guy soldering an 4850 mosfet area on a 6800. it got major overclocked after that. with a little knowledge and experience, you maybe can connect ram chips,caps etc to the circuit...

imagine a frankencard,with major graphics power ;-)

 

[ste2425]

if you want to build something yourself,start with a vga... it must be much easier, due to lessened amount of component circuits. ive seen a guy soldering an 4850 mosfet area on a 6800. it got major overclocked after that. with a little knowledge and experience, you maybe can connect ram chips,caps etc to the circuit...

imagine a frankencard,with major graphics power ;-)

so wat, your saying people have added axtra ram etc to vga cards themselves?

 

[Yukikaze]

so wat, your saying people have added axtra ram etc to vga cards themselves?

Hey. I got sigged and never knew it

You ain't ever going to build a motherboard for a modern system all by yourself.

Getting a single NIC designed and produced takes a large team of dedicated professionals and over a year of development time, getting just the motherboard layout right is going to take at least the same amount of effort and manpower.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

so wat, your saying people have added axtra ram etc to vga cards themselves?

i dont know if they did (only the mosfet thing), but if you take a look at the bottom of a memory ic, you will find out, that it are only 30 solder dots or so. few enough to solder with an iron. the dots arent that small, when youre an expert. im not capable of doing so,tho

 

[MKmods]

SkyKast, goofy ideas like this are why cool things get invented in the first place.

Keep dreaming them up

Another thought is to figure a better replacement of a mobo, what would make it better/easier to use.

 

[ste2425]

Hey. I got sigged and never knew it

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haha it made me laugh so i call that sig worthy

maybe i should ave asked? hmmmmm

 

[larrymoencurly]

Byte magazine ran an article about that in the 1980s or early 1990s. It was by Steve Ciarcia, who now publishes Circuit Cellar. I think it was for an 8088 XT or 80286 AT mobo.

 

[SkyKast]

and? what was the outcome of the article?

 

[AK|CROWBAR|47]

lol you would have to solder everything yourself.............
I hope you have VERY still hands

 

[Bot]

well, designing it including the circuitry would be possible but as mentioned turning it into an actual board would be expensive and you probably order at least 1k to even have the company considering printing the circuits for you.
actually physically making it yourself is virtually impossible without the proper tool, machines and facilities.

something like this .. maybe
http://www.dubel.org/computer/

 

[SkyKast]

thanks for the link thats really interesting

 

[Cuzza]

this thread is a good read. ridiculous, but interesting,

SkyKast, goofy ideas like this are why cool things get invented in the first place.

Keep dreaming them up

Another thought is to figure a better replacement of a mobo, what would make it better/easier to use.

I have wondered, why don't we have mobos with CPU socket and a GPU socket? And slots for graphics memory? Then you could customize exactly what you want. No messing around with graphics cards. you could have one big heatsink to cool both chips, cheaper overall costs, lower profile for slim cases, less power leads, lots of advantages. But i bet it doesn't work. Because if it worked, it would have been done. So what's wrong with the concept?

 

[SkyKast]

I have wondered, why don't we have mobos with CPU socket and a GPU socket? And slots for graphics memory? Then you could customize exactly what you want. No messing around with graphics cards. you could have one big heatsink to cool both chips, cheaper overall costs, lower profile for slim cases, less power leads, lots of advantages. But i bet it doesn't work. Because if it worked, it would have been done. So what's wrong with the concept?

I'd be willing to bet that that is why...

but nice idea!

 

[Yukikaze]

I have wondered, why don't we have mobos with CPU socket and a GPU socket? And slots for graphics memory? Then you could customize exactly what you want. No messing around with graphics cards. you could have one big heatsink to cool both chips, cheaper overall costs, lower profile for slim cases, less power leads, lots of advantages. But i bet it doesn't work. Because if it worked, it would have been done. So what's wrong with the concept?

It would require standardization of GPU sockets and GPU RAM sticks, and GPUs evolve a lot quicker than CPUs. It is a workable solution, but it would also require coordination and cooperation between many companies, many of them in direct competition with each other. It would also require new cooling setups.

It is kinda like we're still using the x86 instruction set. Perhaps there is something better, but it is hard to justify the costs of the change.

And PCI-E is as generic as it gets. Imagine if you had to switch motherboards to not just change a CPU but also to change a GPU to a newer socket or a newer standard of VRAM.

 

[Frick]

something like this .. maybe
http://www.dubel.org/computer/

Awesome guy! I will spend two years in school learning that stuff, it will be awesome. Thank's for the link!

 

[department76]

rofl. silly old 486 hardly counts as a computer nowadays therefor i wouldn't consider that anything close to hand-building a modern computer ;-)

my senior design project is more complicated than that little 486 build, using the Atmel ATmega 3290p which is also much more versatile and complex than the 486. given that's not a fair comparison, when comparing the design work and "wiring" needed that 486 build's a walk in the park.

 

[TheMailMan78]

rofl. silly old 486 hardly counts as a computer nowadays therefor i wouldn't consider that anything close to hand-building a modern computer ;-)

my senior design project is more complicated than that little 486 build, using the Atmel ATmega 3290p which is also much more versatile and complex than the 486. given that's not a fair comparison, when comparing the design work and "wiring" needed that 486 build's a walk in the park.

You own a Zune. What the hell do you know.

 

[Frick]

rofl. silly old 486 hardly counts as a computer nowadays therefor i wouldn't consider that anything close to hand-building a modern computer ;-)

my senior design project is more complicated than that little 486 build, using the Atmel ATmega 3290p which is also much more versatile and complex than the 486. given that's not a fair comparison, when comparing the design work and "wiring" needed that 486 build's a walk in the park.

It can run Tetris and NES emulators so QFT!

Seriously though, building and programming a functional computer, even an 486, is pretty awesome.

 

[dr emulator (madmax)]

even if he has the skills, he cant do anything without really expensive equipment - and the design process takes months, and is easy to screw up (if it was easy, why do you think theres so many crap mobos on the market )

this little project took me months to build(but there again i was making it by hand )

ooh it also had a massive 16 kilobytes of memory most of you kids probably have never heard of that ey

and here's the diagram
yes that circuit boards taty and has a nice crack in it but what did you expect a rembrandt
( and this was just a single sided pcb for a simple voice recorder, i made that when i was 18 )
pc motherboards however are multilayered, according to google between 6 to 9 layersso there's a few connections for you to link up
if anyone's wondering why this post is a mess, it's because i couldn't post any other pics, so i had to use the attachments button

 

[SkyKast]

holy shit thats amazing thanks for posting that! very interesting!

did you have any training before you went at that or did you teach yourself?

 

[KH0UJ]

Hey I know this is prolly crazy but if you had the proper know-how about circut boards would this be possible? And if it is has it been done? Because if it is I can see many advantages.

Definitely possible, motherboards are only made by people, what`s the difference with thier brain power and our brain power right?
the main confusion on it is how they assemble it, mainboards are also designed by computers, that`s why its so easy for them to fabricate one, (CAD PCB auto routing software) first you need to study each and every component you like to use, I.C. pin configurations and everything then plot it on your desired PCB measurements then the process is all automated after that, chopper coils, resistors, capacitors, and all the other components are also autorouted as well depending on the desired placement, they even have a machine to test and simulate each and every circuit before the final production starts, last time it takes 5 mastered teams to create 1 mainboard finished product to test it in the actual before mass production, its very impossible for them too to create one without the automation processes, but for us, if we study their each and every machine that designs the mainboards, i bet we have a better output product than them, because for us we design it for our wants, they design it for needs, for them the cheaper the better, for us the durability and the component life span and the speed greatly matters just like building a super car each and every component is a state-of-the-art, anything that`s not related to durability and speed is all trashed

 

[dr emulator (madmax)]

holy shit thats amazing thanks for posting that! very interesting!

did you have any training before you went at that or did you teach yourself?

no didn't have any training i suppose you could say i'm self taught although not a genious (ha wish i was) the hardest part of that board was marking the pcb with a thick etch resistant pen, although it is easy to rub the marks of if you make mistakes.
there are alsorts of small projects to build out there usually from electronics stores

 

[KH0UJ]

SkyKast, goofy ideas like this are why cool things get invented in the first place.

Keep dreaming them up

Another thought is to figure a better replacement of a mobo, what would make it better/easier to use.

I agree each and every circuit designs came from simple circuits, and all the way to the complex designs, mankind`s capability to design things are getting complex and complex, thus sometimes forgetting the convenience and ease of access to use