Building a modern system.

[dragontamer5788]

Not sure what you're saying. I like Samsung; please enlighten me.

The Intel 660p are low-end SSDs. If you're spending this much money, the general argument is to buy a higher quality SSD. If you're sticking to the ~$120 price point, stuff like the HP Ex950 are strictly superior for the same costs. If you're willing to upgrade to PCIe 4.0 at ~$200 per TB, then there are a variety of high end SSD options there (Samsung being one of the high-end PCIe 4.0 options).

Either way, the Intel 660p is a poor choice given the specs of the rest of the system.

 

[Why_Me]

This build is completely useless for gaming. You're building a Workstation here.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wWMnVc

^ more like it, this is about $2,500 so it leaves another $2,500 for a GPU.

Change up the cpu on your build to a 5900X, drop down to 32GB of RAM, and you can fit in one of those new 3080 Ti cards ($3000 on ebay if I had to guess).

And I'd switch up the psu for some extra juice.

https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-v-gold-pro-sf-1000f14tg-1000w/p/1HU-024C-00035
Super Flower Leadex V Gold PRO 1000W 80+ Gold, Smallest 130mm 1000W ATX PSU, 10 Years Warranty, Patent Super Connectors, Full Modular With Ultra-Flexible Flat Ribbon Cables, FDB PWM Fan $209.99

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Ti spotted in online listing

The MSI flavored 3080 Ti is already making waves

www.techradar.com

 

[Selaya]

Very much doubt you will need more than like 850W actual.
An 850W-rated prime will be able to handle actual 850W draw, transients and all. (Obviously a Leadex would do the same but yeah.) So I really do not see the point of 1,000W here.

As for the other part selection, since this is the money is no object thread I kinda went into overkill mode here. If you wish to trim some fat then yes, those would be the obvious things to downgrade first.

 

[Why_Me]

Very much doubt you will need more than like 850W actual.
An 850W-rated prime will be able to handle actual 850W draw, transients and all. (Obviously a Leadex would do the same but yeah.) So I really do not see the point of 1,000W here.

As for the other part selection, since this is the money is no object thread I kinda went into overkill mode here. If you wish to trim some fat then yes, those would be the obvious things to downgrade first.

The 3080's are power hogs so I can only guess what the new 3080 Ti's will be like. 1000w gives a nice little buffer.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Zen 2 based Threadripper is unlikely to be useable for as long as a 5950X due to Zen 3's superior single thread performance. 1T performance is the real differentiator between last gen and the most current CPUs (Zen 2, Comet/Cofee Lake vs Rocket Lake / Tiger Lake / Zen 3). I think it'll be a lot more important than more cores.

Also as others mentioned the SSD is lower end.

Get a motherboard with Thunderbolt 3 or 4. That one only has USB 3.2 Gen 2 which is only 10Mbps. If you think thunderbolt won't be a thing then at least get USB 3.2 2x2 which is 20Mbps. Thunderbolt 3 and 4 go up to 40Mbps though. At that price point, get both.

 

[Selaya]

The 3080's are power hogs so I can only guess what the new 3080 Ti's will be like. 1000w gives a nice little buffer.

Yes but assuming the rest of your system will peak out at 250W (150W for the CPU and 100W for everything else) that'd still leave 600W for the GPU.
Last I checked even a 3090 will not draw that much unless you're LN2 overclocking. And something like a Prime or a Leadex will be 100% good for their rated power (and then some, just in case). I really fail to see why a 1,000W PSU would be needed if you aren't running multi-GPU (lol, SLI's dead) or something.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Yes but assuming the rest of your system will peak out at 250W (150W for the CPU and 100W for everything else) that'd still leave 600W for the GPU.
Last I checked even a 3090 will not draw that much unless you're LN2 overclocking. And something like a Prime or a Leadex will be 100% good for their rated power (and then some, just in case). I really fail to see why a 1,000W PSU would be needed if you aren't running multi-GPU (lol, SLI's dead) or something.

I agree with this post but prefer to word it differently. I'd personally write it as:

Only multi-GPU setups (or multi-CPU server setups) require 1000W PSUs.

 

[GamerGuy]

I've always been a proponent of 'the more, the merrier' when it comes to 'powah'. If I think I'd need a 750W good quality PSU to run my rig nicely, I'd take a good quality 850W PSU at the very minimum instead. I usually buy PSU's in the 1kW range, just so I have room for more hardware to be added, and perhaps even more power hungry GPU.

When I was building my present gaming rig back in September, 2019, I reused my Vega 64 Red Devil, which is a power hog, but I knew I was gonna upgrade that GPU as soon as I see more powerful cards from AMD or nVidia. I didn't know how much power these would need, so I'd gotten a Corsair HX1000 Platinum just so I'd be ready for whatever card I'd be getting.

I like the extra PSU headroom, besides, a good PSU can always be reused in a new build, so a good and powerful PSU now means I'd not have to worry about upgrading my PSU in the future. I have an old SilverStone OP1000 (my first 1kW PSU!) which I'd reused over the years, finally put it in an i7 2600K/GTX670 rig and sold it to my friend (for cheap I might add). Even now, after about 13 years, that PSU is still kicking butt!

 

[Selaya]

The problem is just that we're already kinda capped on TGP or w/e it's called for individual GPUs - they simply cannot dissipate more heat than like about 200-300W without resorting to things like LN2.
With both SLI and CrossFire being dead you're not running more than one GPU anyways and I very much doubt we will see a mainstream GPU that'll draw more than 300W sustained for a very long time to come.

That being said, a 850W PSU is already plenty generous in terms of headroom. 1,000W+ is for professional users and/or miners.

 

[trparky]

For the memory, I'd go with G.Skill Ripjaws since they have slightly tighter timings and they're cheaper too. However, this build is overkill just for the sake of being overkill. Hell, I'd have to say that overkill doesn't even start to describe this build. This build is so far outside of the category of overkill that overkill would be on Mars and this build would be on Alpha Centauri. Your friend does not need this kind of hardware. He'd be wasting money for the sake of wasting money.

 

[64K]

For the memory, I'd go with G.Skill Ripjaws since they have slightly tighter timings and they're cheaper too. However, this build is overkill just for the sake of being overkill. Hell, I'd have to say that overkill doesn't even start to describe this build. This build is so far outside of the category of overkill that overkill would be on Mars and this build would be on Alpha Centauri. Your friend does not need this kind of hardware. He'd be wasting money for the sake of wasting money.

From time to time I have run across this kind of thread. It seems like the friend of the OP picked out really expensive hardware just because. I remember one thread about 5 years ago where a member wanted to build a rig with Quad SLI Maxwell Titans. He said he didn't want to have to touch it for 8 years to upgrade anything. Not only was Quad SLI a waste of money back then but imagine it now with SLI dead. He would be running on one card after spending around $5,000 on four of them.

I don't know why people believe in "future proof" for PC builds because there really is no such thing. There's nothing wrong with wanting to spend $5,000 on a rig but the smart way to spend that money is on a solid rig now and an upgrade 5 years from now. If he just wanted to spend $5,000 on a rig right now then there's nothing wrong with that either but he's trying to build a high performance gaming rig that will last 10 years.

 

[AleXXX666]

web sites like logical increments, tom's hardware, PCgamer, techspot among others always post various price point builds. I would suggest checking them out and getting a ballpark idea of what the top gaming CPUs, GPUs, mobos, etc., are and start your friend's build from there.

FYI, your friend may actually get better performance and longevity by doing a $2.5k build now and in five years do another $2.5k build.

logical increments - it's ILlogical increments. their "build reccos" are just crazy. Switching price levels going too sharply, though stupid balance in building lol.

> Cooler Master V1300 Platinum 1300W Full-Modular

This is grossly overpowered. You probably can save several hundred $$$ by making a more natural 750W PSU instead. 1300 is probably needed for a cryptominer (or anyone who runs 3+ GPUs). But even a high-end dual-GPU setup (which is already grossly unnecessary for most people) is going to struggle to use more than 1000W.

I'd recommend seasonic, evga or bequiet, lmfao.

I have a friend that asks me to build him a new system every few years, as they get outdated. The last one worked for 10 years before we had to update the graphics card.
He gave me a soft budget of $5k, I looked thru reviews and all, and came up with this list. I know video cards are unobtanium now, so this ignores that totally.
Does anything on this list look Wrong?
I can take a flaming. \





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2​	Intel 660p Series M.2 2280 2TB PCIe NVMe 3.0 x4 3D2, QLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SSDPEKNW020T8X1 Form Factor: M.2 2280 Capacity: 2TB Memory Components: 3D NAND Item #:N82E16820167461 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy		$449.98​
1​	AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX 3.9 GHz Socket sWRX8 100-100000167WOF Desktop Processor Item #:N82E16819113673 Return Policy: Replacement Only Return Policy		$1,149.99 $1,148.99​
1​	ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI sWRX8 Extended ATX AMD Motherboard CPU Socket Type: sWRX8 Item #:N82E16813119391 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy		$999.99​
8​	HyperX Fury RGB HX436C17FB3A/8 8GB DDR4 3600Mhz Non ECC Memory RAM DIMM Capacity: 8GB Type: 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM Speed: DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) CAS Latency: 17 Color: Black LED Color: RGB Fan Included: No Option: N/A Item #:2KY-0009-000Z8 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy		$583.92​
1​	Cooler Master V1300 Platinum 1300W Full-Modular, 80 PLUS Platinum, Japanese Capacitors, Single/Multi Rail Switch, 10 Year Warranty Power Supply Maximum Power: 1300W Fans: 1 Modular: Full Modular Model: MasterWatt Item #:9SIABXXEA57717 Sold by CCTV_IPC_NVR		$558.38​
4​	Kingston 32GB 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model HX432C16FB3/32 Capacity: 32GB Type: 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM Speed: DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) CAS Latency: 16 Color: Black Item #:9SIAH41E2G5031 Sold by Easternstar		$869.44​
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Threadripper Pro and... Intel 660p?

Also, I don't understand what the hell with RAM: where are you going to put these 12 sticks? Just get 4*16 config and machine is fine, no need to go for 8-channel, 4 is enough

 

[kayjay010101]

I'd swap the Intel 660p's immediately. Not that they're bad drives per se (I have one myself) but at over $200/TB they're about 2x what I paid for mine. For that price point (or close to it) you could get a PCIe 4.0 NVMe with a fantastic controller that'll blow the 660p out of the water in both performance and durability. Samsung 980 Pro, or it's OEM equivalent, the PM9A1, are great choices.

While the 3955WX seemingly must be a good CPU because it's expensive, it's really not meant for general computing or gaming. It's a workstation chip. A 5950X on the AM4 platform will cost about the same (if you go with one of the ~$1K mobo's, like MSI's Godlike or Gigabyte's Auros Extreme) and massively outperform the 3955WX in gaming and general computing. If you absolutely still need to piss away money, you could go with regular Threadripper which will be decent for gaming (not as good as the 5950X) and still be a big CPU that you can gawk at. But in that case, wait for the Zen 3 Threadrippers since they shouldn't be too far away and should be a large improvement on the Zen 2 TRs in the market right now.

Can I ask why there's two different sets of RAM? One 8x8GB and one 4x32GB? You can't use both at the same time. I'd recommend going with Samsung B-die if money is no object, so try to find a 3200-CL14-14-14 kit or 3600-CL16-16-16.

1300W is overkill, but hey, go big or go home. At least there's room for expansion (and lots of it)
Though I'd recommend a different brand, CM is decent in the cooling space but I have no experience with their PSUs. Corsair and EVGA are trusted brands.

You're also missing a case, and cooling.

Honestly, I think you're always much better off going with a high-end ($2-3K) build today and another refresh 5 years from now. Look at anything from 10 years ago, it doesn't matter if you got an i7-2700K or an i5-2500K, both would be pretty terrible these days, the i7 might have lasted a year or two longer. And that's with about 3 years of stagnation taken into account. There really is no such thing as futureproofing, no amount of money can adequately compensate for technological progress. So your friend is better off going with what is admittedly about 98% of the way there with top-end parts, then putting the rest of the cash in a fund and withdrawing it for another build in another 5ish years.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

After all the advice I wouldn't blame @Grog6 to just throw in the towel and order a pre built system for his buddy

 

[X71200]

There's a lot of bad advice in this thread. That system, as was said by a few others, makes NO sense for gaming whatsoever.

If you want to overkill it, again was pointed above, get a 5900X and match it up with a good GPU. That Threadripper and all its cores are meant for CONTENT CREATION, NOT gaming. You can build or buy a beast system with a solid GPU for well under $4.5k. Much more like $2.5k.

 

[las]

It's pointless to try and futureproof like that. Nothing will last well for 10 years.

In 2022/2023, you will see next gen platforms from both AMD and Intel. DDR5, PCIe5.0 etc.

This platform will not last 10 years unless you accept that it barely will be considered mid-end for the remaining 5-6 years
It's not even true high-end TODAY for gaming. It's Zen 2 architecture.

Ryzen 5000 is the only one you should be looking at tbh, or Intel 10th/11th Gen (these will easily beat Zen 2 / Ryzen 3000 in gaming)

GPU?

It would make more sense to spend HALF the amount and get true high-end NOW, and upgrade in 5 years.

Ryzen 5800X/5900X
-or-
i9-10900K/10850K, or i7-11700K can work too. I would not bother paying extra for i9-11900K compared to i7-11700K, barely any difference in gaming.

+ 32GB RAM 3600/CL16 and a GPU of your choice

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah, for gaming even the 5600X will beat this system assuming all other components are identical a 5900X/5950X make way more sense and are likely to be usable longer for gaming than 3rd gen Threadripper..... If he just wants overkill for the sake of it wait for zen 3 based Threadripper.

 

[dgianstefani]

$5k budget.

$2k video card - 3080/ti founders/strix/suprim/tuf

5900/5950x

Noctua U12a

32gb 2x16 Trident Z 4266/16 tune to 4000/15 for 4000/2000 IF.

Optane 905p 480gb for boot, 2tb 980 pro for bulk

Seasonic Prime TX850/1000

All case fans NF-A12x25

Asus strix/msi ace/unify board.

Personally I would throw it under a full copper Waterloop just because you can. Optimus Waterblocks are very nice indeed.

 

[X71200]

Optane is pointless, the 980 Pro can already peak up to 100 in 4k which is close to what Optane does when Malwarebytes gimps it... and on the other QDs it can actually beat the Optane. Noctua fans are overrated as well, I'd stick with some other stuff. Other than that, rest should be fine.

 

[las]

And yeah you need to replace those 660p's with WD Black SN850 or Samsung 980 Pro

And settle for 850-1000 watts PSU

 

[dgianstefani]

Optane is pointless, the 980 Pro can already peak up to 100 in 4k which is close to what Optane does when Malwarebytes gimps it... and on the other QDs it can actually beat the Optane. Noctua fans are overrated as well, I'd stick with some other stuff. Other than that, rest should be fine.

Cool story bro.

I guess in your mind having an endurance rating in petabytes rather than terabytes, and a latency closer to ram isn't "worth it".

 

[X71200]

Cool story bro.

Yeah cool story, maybe educate yourself on the topic and stop suggesting a 480gb that drive that costs about $900 which is no longer produced out of a shut down factory. He can spend that money on peripherals and that would easily upgrade his experience over all.

 

[dgianstefani]

980 pro is actually worse for endurance than the 970 pro.

 

[X71200]

980 pro is actually worse for endurance than the 970 pro.

An another drive would work and the 980 Pro actually gets similar latencies to the Optane in AS SSD. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[dgianstefani]

Ah the classic "educate yourself" such a strong argument lmao