Building a modern system.

[bogmali]

Lot's of good advise and also lot's of ego to go with it. If you are going to offer advise and your idea is not considered, don't get belligerent and start attacking back-kind off defeats the purpose. Also, you can argue your point about pieces or hardware but at no point you will be allowed to get into name-calling because your ego cannot take it. Thread cleansed and thread bans issued.

OP, LMK if you want this closed otherwise I will leave it be after I clear out the trolls.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Even the fastest full on (not WS) Threadrippers get decimated in games and is sluggish as a browser CPU.

The only place it wins handily is rendering / encoding, and that is entirely due to more cores. For pretty much everything else - web, games, even some more mundane / typical encoding tests like iTunes where only a few threads are used, even a $250 10700K will whip it.

In other words, most of the time, your $5000 rig will get whipped by a $2500 rig.

 

[dragontamer5788]

That's pretty much trolling.

I gave the topic a review.

I'm under the assumption that my post was poorly timed. There was a joke said immediately before my post, so maybe @Grog6 was reacting to the joke and not my post. The "temperature" of this thread has risen, because other people are trolling and not being helpful. So I'll be a bit forgiving in this case and assume that things were just an unfortunate series of events + timing.

 

[Grog6]

Randall flaggs' post is very very helpful; that gives me an evening of reading.

I was not looking at pissing anyone off; I have no experience with modern AMD processors; personal experience is worth more than benchmarks.

My experience in big systems was reconstruction of PET tomography images. What worked well for that always made a wonderful gaming system, even if it was overkill.

At one time I had a 45 disk SCSI raid 0 array; I was able to replace it with a 2 disk SAS array that had better performance.

Thanks everyone; I know more than I did when I started.

Next; I'll be starting a thread in video cards (j,k)

lol, everyone knows there are no video cards.

I have ran Crysis on a Dual 6-core xeon system, with the game loaded in a ramdisk; load times were incredible!

 

[Hemmingstamp]

I've been reading the thread; all I'm really hearing is that it's overkill.

I like overkill.

In all honesty the lack of GPU's everywhere is what might keep you from finalizing that build. Unless you can stomach quad GT210's that is
'Captain, I've built the best flying machine out there. One issue though, the flight deck is missing'

 

[Grog6]

I've got a rx580 he can borrow until the pipeline refills.

We play crysis wars, fear, and Quake2 mostly, gaming, at 1080, mostly.
My buddy plays on my Trinitron G550; he likes the CRT monitor better.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

I've got a rx580 he can borrow until the pipeline refills.

We play crysis wars, fear, and Quake2 mostly, gaming, at 1080, mostly.
My buddy plays on my Trinitron G550; he likes the CRT monitor better.

Being the joker that I am (Bad habit) I would find a junk yard rig and present it to your buddy claiming the stores are out of stock of everything - permanently

Joking aside, I just can't see these GPU being available for a long time unless Crypto crashes. And I can't see that happening soon.

 

[Grog6]

I bought a few bitcoin on ~2015 for a purchase,and I really wish I'd emptied my bank account now.


I'm going to show my buddy all the options; thanks for the arguing points.
If I'm an arrogant bastard, it comes with the degree, lol. It's not personal.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

A Nephew had to purchase a gaming pre build so he could get his hands on an RTX 3080. He waited months for stock to come it. It didn't happen

 

[Grog6]

Hmmmm. I've got the 550, a 7970, two 5970's and three 4870's.

Is that going to work in crossfire?

Those 4870's made a power supply explode a couple of years ago, lol. They still worked! ( in another build, lol.

 

[thesmokingman]

I have a friend that asks me to build him a new system every few years, as they get outdated. The last one worked for 10 years before we had to update the graphics card.
He gave me a soft budget of $5k, I looked thru reviews and all, and came up with this list. I know video cards are unobtanium now, so this ignores that totally.
Does anything on this list look Wrong?

No offense but it's kind of all wrong. No point to TR, doubly so on TR Pro unless one is producing something that pays money and plan to use up all them pcie lanes. And on the top of that it's going to be outdated in a matter of months literally as Amd is preparing TR4.

I built a 3970x last year and that one came out to 13K roughly or so... it cut render times 5x and thus increased billables a lot.

 

[Grog6]

I'm thinking this socket will be used in the next processor generation; 4 memory channels helped nethalem a lot; I can't imagine 8.

When I bought this system it was a 3930k; now its a 1650xeon, running cool at 4.6Ghz.

 

[thesmokingman]

I'm thinking this socket will be used in the next processor generation; 4 memory channels helped nethalem a lot; I can't imagine 8.

When I bought this system it was a 3930k; now its a 1650xeon, running cool at 4.6Ghz.

It won't help with anything since the owner won't be doing anything that even comes close to taxing it nevermind the rig isn't kitted up to even tax the drive subsystem. This is all candy floss.

 

[Grog6]

It won't help with anything since the owner won't be doing anything that even comes close to taxing it nevermind the rig isn't kitted up to even tax the drive subsystem. This is all candy floss.

I agree completely. But, this is what he asked for; those pci lanes will be used by nvme m2 cards, most likely.

If nothing current taxes it, theres a few games coming I have hope for.

 

[thesmokingman]

I agree completely. But, this is what he asked for; those pci lanes will be used by nvme m2 cards, most likely.

If nothing current taxes it, theres a few games coming I have hope for.

But what...? Two nvme isn't taxing anything either. I dunno.... shrugs I guess helping your friend throw money away is one way to help. Nothing taxes it... ugh there's a lot that will bring it to it's knees its just that the op looks like doesn't do anything along those lines so it's wasted. The 3955x is hella expensive but its only 16 cores. A 3960x will stomp all over it in threaded tasks you realize for slightly more cash... There's all sorts of ways to spend that money, better. Hell, a 5950x is faster than the 3955x...

 

[dragontamer5788]

But, this is what he asked for; those pci lanes will be used by nvme m2 cards

You'll need better NVMe than Intel 660p if you actually want to push those PCIe lanes. 660p is 2GBps, there are plenty of 5GBps to 7GBps NVMe 4.0 cards out there. As currently planned out, a much cheaper and faster system could be configured.

I realize you're trying to leave some room for future upgrades, but NVMe / Storage is not very easy to upgrade (due to the necessity of transferring your Windows license to a new card and all that). Its probably better to make your storage correct from the get-go.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

I've been reading the thread; all I'm really hearing is that it's overkill.

I like overkill.

Its not that its overkill, the whole thing for gaming and general usage is WRONG !!!
i'v suggested a much better build on the level of everyone recommendations here, lets get rational and start from there alright ?
Threadripper is bad for gaming

 

[Grog6]

Thanks everyone for the replies; I spent hours looking over everything, comparing options, and I agree its vastly overpowered, and not at all what he was looking for.
I think I built a replacement for my current computer, instead of what he was looking for.
Can anyone point me to a good known setup that works well together, mobo memory, and chip?
I've now read how picky these processors can be about memory vendor.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

This build is so wrong for everything general use and gaming, here's a better selection :

CPU: Ryzen 9 5950x
Motherboard: any quality X570 or B550 motherboard
Storage : WD Black SN850 PCIe4 Nvme 2TB SSD or Samsung 980 Pro 2Tb
RAM: G skill Trident Z Neo 3600mhz 32Gb (2x16)
PSU: Seasonic Prime TX 1000w 80plus titanium

Here's my selection, got a handful of likes seems a lot agree its a better alternative for your friend

 

[oxrufiioxo]

R9 5800X/5900X/5950X

Asus Crosshair 8/Aorus Master/MSI Unify for standard X570 ATX

If wanting eatx Aorus Extreme or Msi Godlike

3600 CL14 32GB is what I'd go with I've tested it on both my Aorus Master and Crosshair 8 Hero and it work's excellent on both with zen 2/3.

G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14D-32GTZN - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14D-32GTZN with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

The 10900k/10850k/10700k are super solid but overall perform about the same in gaming vs the Ryzen chips but lack full gen 4 support which I feel is a must on a system you want to last 5+ years

The 11900k is a total bust to me at it's $550+ usd price and the 11700k isn't appealing at $400 either.... Maybe if you throw a high end open loop cooling on one and run 5ghz memory but you could probably still do better with a 10900k/4400 mem/water.....

The only rocket lake chip I have experience with is an 11500 I like it for budget ish builds and would recommend it over a 3600/3700X gaming build but anything more expensive than that I would take a 5000 chip of similar price over.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

R9 5800X/5900X/5950X

Asus Crosshair 8/Aorus Master/MSI Unify for standard X570 ATX

If wanting eatx Aorus Extreme or Msi Godlike

3600 CL14 32GB is what I'd go with I've tested it on both my Aorus Master and Crosshair 8 Hero and it work's excellent on both with zen 2/3.

G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14D-32GTZN - Newegg.com

Buy G.SKILL Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14D-32GTZN with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

The 10900k/10850k/10700k are super solid but overall perform about the same in gaming vs the Ryzen chips but lack full gen 4 support which I feel is a must on a system you want to last 5+ years

The 11900k is a total bust to me at it's $550+ usd price and the 11700k isn't appealing at $400 either.... Maybe if you throw a high end open loop cooling on one and run 5ghz memory but you could probably still do better with a 10900k/4400 mem/water.....

The only rocket lake chip I have experience with is an 11500 I like it for budget ish builds and would recommend it over a 3600/3700X gaming build but anything more expensive than that I would take a 5000 chip of similar price over.

Oh Yeah Trident Z Neo are Great for AMD.
Motherboard if it was me i would picked Aours master or Msi Ace

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Oh Yeah Trident Z Neo are Great for AMD.
Motherboard if it was me i would picked Aours master or Msi Ace

I've used both the Ace and Unify in builds they are too similar to me to pay a premium for the ace unless you love the look of the ace and that's worth the general 60-70 price increase. I like the Master/Hero a bit more than the Unify/Ace but I may be biased since I own them

 

[WhitetailAni]

Well, dude wants to keep it for 10 years. Normal retail SSDs simply don't last that long. My experience has been 2-5 years of life with SSDs.

laughs in Crucial M4 128GB at 90% health that is 11 years old

CPU, 5900X or 5950X.
Motherboard, Crosshair VIII Hero/WiFi (if your friend wants integrated WiFi and/or Bluetooth).
RAM, at least 32GB of 3200 or 3600 C14.
Cooler, Liquid Freezer II 280mm or 360mm. Great performers for the price (plus they have VRM cooling fans).

I have no further recommendations than that - storage, case, power supply, and GPU (right now at least) is not my forte.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

I've used both the Ace and Unify in builds they are too similar to me to pay a premium for the ace unless you love the look of the ace and that's worth the general 60-70 price increase. I like the Master/Hero a bit more than the Unify/Ace but I may be biased since I own them

Well his friend wants "buzzword" build so a motherboard without RGB is blasphemy i would assume

 

[Grog6]

Thanks, all. I'm reading manuals for some of the recommendations.

Personal experience is great to hear; I've tried to do the build from hell before.
I bought a KT7A raid board build that was never stable at any speed or combo of parts.

The only thing I hate about ssd's is that when they throw that first error, they usually are unrecoverable; but that's the price for the speed.
I tried the freezer trick on one, lol.