Building a modern system.

[X71200]

Ah the classic "educate yourself" such a strong argument lmao

Because you're giving an awful advice, because he can spend that money towards monitors, fancy keyboards, mics whatever else and because you're at the point of spamming with these posts.

 

[las]

980 pro is actually worse for endurance than the 970 pro.

I does not matter for consumers. I'd not consider 970 Pro for a second over 980 Pro. WD Black SN850 is even faster.

 

[dgianstefani]

Because you're giving an awful advice, because he can spend that money towards monitors, fancy keyboards, mics whatever else and because you're at the point of spamming with these posts.

Ah the classic forum poster with surface knowledge of benchmarks. Hmmm. Wonder why enterprise loves optane. I guess they're all just clueless.

I does not matter for consumers. I'd not consider 970 Pro for a second over 980 Pro. WD Black SN850 is even faster.

Sequential read numbers are irrelevant for actual performance.

 

[Frick]

Ah the classic forum poster with surface knowledge of benchmarks. Hmmm. Wonder why enterprise loves optane. I guess they're all just clueless.

Why would a gamer want enterprise solutions?

 

[X71200]

Ah the classic forum poster with surface knowledge of benchmarks. Hmmm. Wonder why enterprise loves optane. I guess they're all just clueless.

Sequential read numbers are irrelevant for actual performance.

Optane for enterprise goes up to 20TB with custom Lucid drives and so on. They custom order those things and it has nothing to do with your consumer usage. You're clueless and you're wrong. Enterprise using it has nothing to do with a gamer using it. I own both the drives and the Optane isn't magic as you think it is. Modern drives get close performance in other areas than sequential to it. They recently added a Full Power mode to the 980 Pro which boosts up its performance further. They shut down the factory because it wasn't profitable to the end user.

 

[dgianstefani]

Why would a gamer want enterprise solutions?

Why would a gamer want to spend $5k on a system? Because they want the best.

 

[las]

Ah the classic forum poster with surface knowledge of benchmarks. Hmmm. Wonder why enterprise loves optane. I guess they're all just clueless.

Sequential read numbers are irrelevant for actual performance.

I know but IOPS are way higher. Loading times are better. MLC is pointless outside of enterprise.

For a gaming rig, MLC is not needed at all. Waste of money. 970 Pro is more expensive than 980 Pro and SN850, yet slowest.

You only need MLC if you do tons of writes all day every day.

Samsung 980 Pro vs 970 Pro: Which NVMe SSD is Best Value?

We put Samsung's newest 980 Pro PCIe 4.0 SSD against its own 970 Pro - and work out which NVMe SSD is worth going for in 2020.

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"When it comes to specifications, the only advantage held by the Samsung 970 Pro lies in its double the TBW value of 1,200, versus the 600 of the Samsung 980 Pro. However, it is difficult to argue that the increased durability would warrant a $120 price increase for an SSD that is severely outperformed by its successor."

"970 Pro was outperformed by a substantial margin."

So, yeah, pointless to buy a 970 Pro. OId tech. The new one is called 980 Pro for a reason. It's better. New controller, much faster, PCIe 4.0, cheaper = Nobrainer to get the newer one

 

[dgianstefani]

I know but IOPS are way higher. Loading times are better. MLC is pointless outside of enterprise.

For a gaming rig, MLC is not needed at all. Waste of money. 970 Pro is more expensive when 980 Pro and SN850, yet slowest.

You only need MLC if you do tons of writes all day every day.

Man is keeping is pc for 5/10 years and you are talking about how storage endurance is worthless.

 

[X71200]

Why would a gamer want to spend $5k on a system? Because they want the best.

This is about as lame as your argument gets, $5k doesn't get you THE BEST, in fact the best is subjective. The best in keyboards, like the best mouse etc...

Man is keeping is pc for 5/10 years and you are talking about how storage endurance is worthless.

This was discussed earlier, and antic 830 Samsung drives last from 2012 to today. You have no clue. Just stop with these pointless posts.

 

[dgianstefani]

Watch out guys we have a badass over here

This is about as lame as your argument gets, $5k doesn't get you THE BEST, in fact the best is subjective. The best in keyboards, like the best mouse etc...


This was discussed earlier, and antic 830 Samsung drives last from 2012 to today. You have no clue. Just stop with these pointless posts.

 

[las]

Man is keeping is pc for 5/10 years and you are talking about how storage endurance is worthless.

Yes thats because it is. This is a gaming PC.

A TLC drive will easily last 10 years in a consumer PC.. WRITES are what causing tear, a gaming PC mostly READS.

 

[dgianstefani]

This is about as lame as your argument gets, $5k doesn't get you THE BEST, in fact the best is subjective. The best in keyboards, like the best mouse etc...


This was discussed earlier, and antic 830 Samsung drives last from 2012 to today. You have no clue. Just stop with these pointless posts.

Ancient Samsung 830 drives are slc or MLC. Not like modern drives. There's a reason they last so long.

Maybe I should make a comment about educating yourself?

 

[X71200]

Ancient Samsung 830 drives are slc or MLC. Not like modern drives. There's a reason they last so long.

The 830 is not a SLC drive, Samsung does not use SLC outside of that specific PCI-E stick, which performs worse than Optane and costs just as much - and the MLC found in the 830 is nowhere as high endurance as the more modern MLCs.

The 2TB 980 Pro was 1200 TBW, a gaming PC is not going to write that much in 5 years.

 

[dgianstefani]

The 830 is not a SLC drive, Samsung does not use SLC outside of that specific PCI-E stick, which performs worse than Optane and costs just as much - and the MLC found in the 830 is nowhere as high endurance as the more modern MLCs.

The 2TB 980 Pro was 1200 TBW, a gaming PC is not going to write that much in 5 years.

It's MLC with an SLC cache. The OP changes his system around every 10 years.

Try again.

 

[las]

Ancient Samsung 830 drives are slc or MLC. Not like modern drives. There's a reason they last so long.

Maybe I should make a comment about educating yourself?

They are MLC and probably worse than todays TLC.

You need to understand how SSD wear and tears works it seems. Just because it's MLC does not mean it will last 10 years. It depends on the usage. A TLC drive will easy live for 10-15-20 years unless you do tons of writes all day long, which you won't on a gaming pc

Samsung 830 had 3 years warrenty. Newer TLC drives have 5 years .. JUST LIKE 970 Pro

 

[dgianstefani]

Have fun arguing with each other about storage I'm going back to work.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Why would a gamer want enterprise solutions?

Well, dude wants to keep it for 10 years. Normal retail SSDs simply don't last that long. My experience has been 2-5 years of life with SSDs.

Honestly the build is lacking in multiple areas. When I built mine one item high on the list for me was a backup drive. You gonna keep a PC for a long time, and throw around 5K like it was nothing, I'd assume the person has and needs to keep their tax documents / house sale and purchase docs and so on. Backup drive or NAS or something along with a backup strategy should be part of the build.

 

[Grog6]

This build is completely useless for gaming. You're building a Workstation here.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wWMnVc

^ more like it, this is about $2,500 so it leaves another $2,500 for a GPU.

IDK about that; 4GHz, tons of threads; Depending on video card, it should rock.

> Cooler Master V1300 Platinum 1300W Full-Modular

This is grossly overpowered. You probably can save several hundred $$$ by making a more natural 750W PSU instead. 1300 is probably needed for a cryptominer (or anyone who runs 3+ GPUs). But even a high-end dual-GPU setup (which is already grossly unnecessary for most people) is going to struggle to use more than 1000W.

It had the 8 pin power connectors; the mobo takes three, and so will the eventual video card.

 

[X71200]

IDK about that; 4GHz, tons of threads; Depending on video card, it should rock.

It had the 8 pin power connectors; the mobo takes three, and so will the eventual video card.

You're not listening to the advice, are you?

 

[Selaya]

Okay so here's a few facts about CPU gaming performance/bottleneck:
- In general, games only scale to about 8-16 threads at max; anything more like a TR is just wasted for gaming - they're for workstation productivity like rendering and shit.
- Max Frequency/boost matter, somewhat (more see the below) to a certain extent. TRs in general sacrifice a lot of that for their sheer core/thread count.
- IMC performance & memory latency matter a lot - that's the reason why Matisse and Rocket Lake both perform rather subpar - their IMCs are rather bad. In Rocket Lake's case that is actually a regression from the regurgitated-but-perfected Skylake platform! (That is also why CAS latencies matter for gaming, but not really for workstation.)

Given all of that, the 5950X is the absolute cap concerning cores you should go for because that is the highest mainstream part that doesn't sacrifice frequency for core count. (All TRs, EPYCs and Xeons do that btw.)

 

[dragontamer5788]

IDK about that; 4GHz, tons of threads; Depending on video card, it should rock.

Your proposed 3955wx is Zen2, while the 5950x is Zen3. Zen3 cores are 16% faster at the same clock speeds (that means at 4GHz, Zen3 is 16% faster than a 4GHz Zen2). Except the 5950x isn't at 4GHz... its at 4.9GHz.

All together (both 22.5% higher clocks AND 16% more instructions per clock), Ryzen 9 5950x is probably 42% faster than the Threadripper 3955wx on single-threaded tasks. And to boot: the 5950x is cheaper. The only reason you'd go Threadripper Pro is if you knew you needed memory bandwidth and a buttload of PCIe lanes.

Even if we're only talking about dual GPU (which isn't a good idea anymore: single GPU is where the market has gone) and NVMe drives, I'm not sure if you're pushing enough I/O or Memory Bandwidth for the 3955wx to be faster.

 

[Selaya]

I mean quite honestly 4.9GHz on Zen3 is quite unnecessary for gaming as you're not bottlenecked by that but by the IMC unless you spend like half a week to fine-tune your memory, maybe.
But yeah.

 

[dragontamer5788]

It had the 8 pin power connectors; the mobo takes three, and so will the eventual video card.

Motherboards don't take 8-pin power connectors. Motherboards take EPS connectors (which look like an 8-pin supply, but it isn't. EDIT: EPS is 4+4, while PCIe 8-pin is 6+2). Dual EPS will boot the motherboard. The optional 6-pin connectors on the motherboard are only really needed if you have multiple GPUs (which doesn't help in gaming anymore: no games support multiGPU anymore).

Multi-GPU is very niche. Cryptocoin miners want it, maybe deep learning developers want it. But its really, really hard for me to think of a typical consumer workload for it. You probably should ask your friend if they need multi-GPU. Otherwise, the money is better spent elsewhere.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

This build is so wrong for everything general use and gaming, here's a better selection :

CPU: Ryzen 9 5950x
Motherboard: any quality X570 or B550 motherboard
Storage : WD Black SN850 PCIe4 Nvme 2TB SSD with a 4Tb HDD storage
RAM: Crucial Ballistix (2020) 3600mhz 32Gb (2x16) CL16
PSU: Seasonic TX 1000w 80plus titanium

 

[BarbaricSoul]

$5k budget, I can build a gaming computer that is about as good as it gets, including a RTX 3090 at scalper prices. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LZMZmk