Building a modern system.

[RandallFlagg]

IDK about that; 4GHz, tons of threads; Depending on video card, it should rock.

It had the 8 pin power connectors; the mobo takes three, and so will the eventual video card.

The guy will get a sub-optimal user experience with older architecture like Zen 2 based Threadripper. That would only make sense if he is going to run his PC doing rendering or some types of video editing / encoding and do so 90% of the time.

For a general use PC, frankly even a 4 core Tiger Lake would probably give a better experience due to its 1T performance. Look at things like the web benchmark scores here at TPU. People say that doesn't matter because 'fast enough', yet the most annoying things to me is waiting on for example a stock screener or TA chart to update.

A 5950X is clearly the best bet for "future proofing" right now, for both gaming and general use.

For that price point I would be looking for a 5950X and a good X570 with as current as possible connectivity, including Thunderbolt and USB 3.2 2x2 as well as 10Gbit ethernet. I believe there is a "Creator" model board from ASRock that has that kind of future looking connectivity.

 

[las]

This build is so wrong for everything general use and gaming, here's a better selection :

CPU: Ryzen 9 5950x
Motherboard: any quality X570 or B550 motherboard
Storage : WD Black SN850 PCIe4 Nvme 2TB SSD with a 4Tb HDD storage
RAM: Crucial Ballistix (2020) 3600mhz 32Gb (2x16) CL16
PSU: Seasonic TX 1000w 80plus titanium

You are right. Much better build for pretty much everything. I'd not get a HDD tho.

 

[Grog6]

Motherboards don't take 8-pin power connectors. Motherboards take EPS connectors (which look like an 8-pin supply, but it isn't. EDIT: EPS is 4+4, while PCIe 8-pin is 6+2). Dual EPS will boot the motherboard. The optional 6-pin connectors on the motherboard are only really needed if you have multiple GPUs (which doesn't help in gaming anymore: no games support multiGPU anymore).

Multi-GPU is very niche. Cryptocoin miners want it, maybe deep learning developers want it. But its really, really hard for me to think of a typical consumer workload for it. You probably should ask your friend if they need multi-GPU. Otherwise, the money is better spent elsewhere.

Obviously you didn't look at the board.

ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard (PCIe 4.0, ASMB9-iKVM, 2x10Gb LAN, 7xPCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 3xM.2,2xU.2 ports, 11 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports,8-channel DDR4 ECC) - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard (PCIe 4.0, ASMB9-iKVM, 2x10Gb LAN, 7xPCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 3xM.2,2xU.2 ports, 11 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports,8-channel DDR4 ECC) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

I
I do know what the pinouts of all the pc connectors are I've done this for awhile.
The 3 connectors on the mobo are cpu/ mobo power the 3 on the video card are for it's power.


I've been reading reviews; there are a lot cheaper options available.
Hell; I could go a lot cheaper. That's really not what I had in mind.

 

[kayjay010101]

Obviously you didn't look at the board.

ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard (PCIe 4.0, ASMB9-iKVM, 2x10Gb LAN, 7xPCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 3xM.2,2xU.2 ports, 11 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports,8-channel DDR4 ECC) - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard (PCIe 4.0, ASMB9-iKVM, 2x10Gb LAN, 7xPCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 3xM.2,2xU.2 ports, 11 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports,8-channel DDR4 ECC) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

I
I do know what the pinouts of all the pc connectors are I've done this for awhile.
The 3 connectors on the mobo are cpu/ mobo power the 3 on the video card are for it's power.


I've been reading reviews; there are a lot cheaper options available.
Hell; I could go a lot cheaper. That's really not what I had in mind.

You don't need to go cheaper to get a better PC. You could easily get a very similarly-priced X570 board and actually get THE best gaming CPU like we've been telling you over and over.

 

[Grog6]

I've been reading the thread; all I'm really hearing is that it's overkill.

I like overkill.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I've been reading the thread; all I'm really hearing is that it's overkill.

I like overkill.

It's not overkill, it's the wrong tool for the wrong job. It's like taking a Mack truck to the Indy 500. Yes the Mack can pull 50,000 lbs at 75 mph, but in pretty much every other situation it's going to perform less than a dozen other choices.

A 5950X will be much faster for what a normal user will do with their PC, everything from web browsing to video games. For that matter a RKL 11700K or 11900K or a 10900K would be better for a normal user. You're going to wind up giving the guy a $5K rig that can be handily outperformed at 99.9% of what he will do with it by a $3000-$4000 preconfigured Dell Alienware with a 5XXX or 11XXXK and a 3080 or 3090.

I mean seriously, this right here, this will run circles around your Threadripper in everything except rendering and encoding. And it's $1000 less, with a 3090.

Alienware Aurora R12 Gaming Desktop

Powerhouse desktop with 11th Gen Intel® Core™ processors in a chassis designed for high-performance gaming and tool-less upgradability features.

www.dell.com

Or this at $4800 / 5800X / 3090 / 128GB RAM :

Alienware Aurora Gaming Desktop with AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Processors

High-performance gaming desktop with up to 16-core, overclockable AMD Ryzen 5000 series processors designed for gamers who create.

www.dell.com

 

[Grog6]

It's not like I'd ever recommend a dell system to anyone.

 

[RandallFlagg]

It's not like I'd ever recommend a dell system to anyone.

That's my point. You're building something that won't be as good as a Dell that actually costs less...

 

[Grog6]

I'm definitely not seeing this. Specifics?

Dell computerd are for corporate systems; mobo thruput is terrible.

I experimented with a ton of their boxes; my scratch built systems reduced reconstructions to 10 minutes, compared to 4 hours for the dell, on the same 1tB dataset.
The dell choked on Crysis too.

This is obviously the wrong place to ask questions, if you're recommending a prebuilt commodity computer.

Thanks everyone!

 

[kayjay010101]

I'm definitely not seeing this. Specifics?

I experimented with a ton of their boxes; my scratch built systems reduced reconstructions to 10 minutes, compared to 4 hours for the dell, on the same 1tB dataset.
The dell choked on Crysis too.

Specifics: 5950X is AT LEAST 30% faster than any threadripper on the market clock for clock, and is almost a whole GHz faster on top of that. That means the Threadripper is worse at gaming.
What you're doing is, as said above, using the wrong tool for the job. An axe is more lethal than a hammer, but you don't bring an axe to nail in wood, do you?

Dell computerd are for corporate systems; mobo thruput is terrible.

Dell is marketed towards office, corporate and entry-level home computers, yes. Alienware is their gaming brand. Not that I'd recommend buying anything from Dell, the point is it's BETTER to buy a Dell for the usecase you've presented than to buy what you've laid out, and it's cheaper as well.
And what does "Mobo thruput" mean? The motherboard only houses other components, it doesn't actually have anything to measure throughput on? Unless you're talking PCIe??

I experimented with a ton of their boxes; my scratch built systems reduced reconstructions to 10 minutes, compared to 4 hours for the dell, on the same 1tB dataset.
The dell choked on Crysis too.

The first paragraph seems like a WORKSTATION usecase, not a gaming one. In that usecase, a Threadripper obviously makes more sense.
And it choked on Crysis because it's a workstation... how many times does it have to be said: Workstations are good at work, gaming machines are good at games. That's why we have different, specialized, components in the first place!

This is obviously the wrong place to ask questions, if you're recommending a prebuilt commodity computer.

They're not recommending a pre-built, they're saying your build is worse than a pre-built. It's only a comparison.
We all recommend you get a computer actually suited for the task you've laid out (gaming)... which would be a 5950X-powered machine.

 

[Grog6]

Specifics: 5950X is AT LEAST 30% faster than any threadripper on the market clock for clock, and is almost a whole GHz faster on top of that. That means the Threadripper is worse at gaming.
What you're doing is, as said above, using the wrong tool for the job. An axe is more lethal than a hammer, but you don't bring an axe to nail in wood, do you?

Dell is marketed towards office, corporate and entry-level home computers, yes. Alienware is their gaming brand. Not that I'd recommend buying anything from Dell, the point is it's BETTER to buy a Dell for the usecase you've presented than to buy what you've laid out, and it's cheaper as well.
And what does "Mobo thruput" mean? The motherboard only houses other components, it doesn't actually have anything to measure throughput on? Unless you're talking PCIe??


The first paragraph seems like a WORKSTATION usecase, not a gaming one. In that usecase, a Threadripper obviously makes more sense.
And it choked on Crysis because it's a workstation... how many times does it have to be said: Workstations are good at work, gaming machines are good at games. That's why we have different, specialized, components in the first place!


They're not recommending a pre-built, they're saying your build is worse than a pre-built. It's only a comparison.
We all recommend you get a computer actually suited for the task you've laid out (gaming)... which would be a 5950X-powered machine.

You're saying a

3.4 GHz Socket AM4 105W processor will vastly outperform a AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX 16-Core 3.9 GHz Socket sWRX8 280W 100-100000167WOF Desktop Processor​

Sorry for rhe caps, it copied like that.

16/32 cores, faster, with 8 memory channels will have much more bandwidth to memory, and the 128 pci lanes allow some serious nvme and video card choices.

I've always found that gaming is best with lots of room to flow data, wide memory channels and good video cards with lots of bandwidth.

I'm beginning to wonder, lol.

 

[dgianstefani]

You're saying a

3.4 GHz Socket AM4 105W processor will vastly outperform a AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX 16-Core 3.9 GHz Socket sWRX8 280W 100-100000167WOF Desktop Processor​

Sorry for rhe caps, it copied like that.

16/32 cores, faster, with 8 memory channels will have much more bandwidth to memory, and the 128 pci lanes allow some serious nvme and video card choices.

I've always found that gaming is best with lots of room to flow data, wide memory channels and good video cards with lots of bandwidth.

I'm beginning to wonder, lol.

I can't tell which is bigger, your arrogance or your cluelessness.

 

[kayjay010101]

You're saying a

3.4 GHz Socket AM4 105W processor will vastly outperform a AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX 16-Core 3.9 GHz Socket sWRX8 280W 100-100000167WOF Desktop Processor​

Sorry for rhe caps, it copied like that.

16/32 cores, faster, with 8 memory channels will have much more bandwidth to memory, and the 128 pci lanes allow some serious nvme and video card choices.

That is exactly what I'm saying. Let me break it down for ya.

Video cards are limited to 16 lanes no matter what, and the 5950X has that (and another 4 left over for the m.2 slot). So the bandwidth is identical on both platforms. That argument is null and void.
The only thing is if you want more than one video card, but today's games don't support that anyway, so it's also a null and void point.

The 5950X is also 16 cores, actually. So they have the same amount of cores, while the 5950X is 16% faster in just raw IPC improvement and then another 0.6GHz faster on top of that. (max 4.3GHz vs min 4.9GHz, on paper)

Memory channels isn't relevant in gaming, we're talking less than a percent, if anything, going from dual channel to quad channel. Even less going to octochannel. Also, the downgrade in compatible memory (good luck getting 3600 CL14 to run in 8 channels) outweighs the positive in extra memory bandwidth. For gaming, latency is much more important.

The base clock is irrelevant. The 5950X boosts to 4.9GHz (in my experience, more than that, my 5950X boosts to 5.1GHz) on a single core and 4.4GHz on all cores. While the 3955WX boosts upto (and often not quite, since Zen 2 is advertised a bit too optimistically by AMD) 4.3 GHz (which equates to the same total speed as a 5950X running at 3.6GHz, because of the IPC improvement in Zen 3), and much less all-core. So it is not faster. In fact, it's a lot slower.

I've always found that gaming is best with lots of room to flow data, wide memory channels and good video cards with lots of bandwidth.

Bandwidth is important, but latency is usually a lot more important. Wide memory channels makes very little difference nowadays (it seems your assumptions are vastly outdated), and any ,modern system will be able to deliver full bandwidth to any modern GPU, so that's not even a factor.

 

[Grog6]

After looking at what's been recomended; I like what I posted even better.
More bandwidth is always better, whether it's calc data or textures.

Finding a video card is going to be harder.

FWIW; one of my buddies bought an intel 11k setup for ~3k, and it's slower than my 10yo socket 2011 system.

 

[kayjay010101]

After looking at what's been recomended; I like what I posted even better.
More bandwidth is always better, whether it's calc data or textures.

Finding a video card is going to be harder.

FWIW; one of my buddies bought an intel 11k setup for ~3k, and it's slower than my 10yo socket 2011 system.

Why even ask for help when you go directly against common sense? You're not even willing to understand and then just spew nonsense (no, your 2011-based system is NOT faster in gaming than even the cheapest 11th gen Intel processor).
Why would anyone want to help you when you just dismiss everything logical?
At this point you must be trolling.

 

[Grog6]

This is obviously the wrong place to ask questions, if you're recommending a prebuilt commodity computer.




I'm just not seeing your logic.

 

[FireFox]

This is obviously the wrong place to ask questions, if you're recommending a prebuilt commodity computer.

Then you can ask to a Mod to close the thread.
Shame, lot of good advices but you don't want to listen

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If your buddy is that willing to waste money on a cpu that would get smoked by a 300 usd one at gaming he/you should at least wait for Zen 3 based Threadripper.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Obviously you didn't look at the board.

ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard (PCIe 4.0, ASMB9-iKVM, 2x10Gb LAN, 7xPCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 3xM.2,2xU.2 ports, 11 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports,8-channel DDR4 ECC) - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard (PCIe 4.0, ASMB9-iKVM, 2x10Gb LAN, 7xPCIe 4.0 X16 slots, 3xM.2,2xU.2 ports, 11 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports,8-channel DDR4 ECC) with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

I
I do know what the pinouts of all the pc connectors are I've done this for awhile.
The 3 connectors on the mobo are cpu/ mobo power the 3 on the video card are for it's power.


I've been reading reviews; there are a lot cheaper options available.
Hell; I could go a lot cheaper. That's really not what I had in mind.

You can tell that the 6+2 PCIe connector is different, because the "squares" and "curved" bits don't line up to the EPS 4+4 connector. Also, its documented as such in the pdf:

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketTRX4/Pro_WS_WRX80E-SAGE_SE_WIFI/E17525_Pro_WS_WRX80E-SAGE_SE_WIFI_UM_WEB.pdf

 

[Grog6]

I'm not trolling; I'm looking for info. all I see is use this not that with no links to proof. I'd love to see a review of real hardware, but the ryzen pro is new.

I know the pinouts; I've swapped quite a few over the years. That's a LOT of power available for overclocking.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

I'm not trolling; I'm looking for info. all I see is use this not that with no links to proof. I'd love to see a review of real hardware, but the ryzen pro is new.

Just order an HP Z series workstation and be done with it.

 

[dragontamer5788]

You're saying a

3.4 GHz Socket AM4 105W processor will vastly outperform a AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX 16-Core 3.9 GHz Socket sWRX8 280W 100-100000167WOF Desktop Processor​

Sorry for rhe caps, it copied like that.

16/32 cores, faster, with 8 memory channels will have much more bandwidth to memory, and the 128 pci lanes allow some serious nvme and video card choices.

I've always found that gaming is best with lots of room to flow data, wide memory channels and good video cards with lots of bandwidth.

I'm beginning to wonder, lol.

Yes. Ryzen 9 5950x is beating Threadripper Pro 3955wx in many tasks.

Note that 5950x has a boost clock of 4.9 GHz. Zen3 is a huge jump above Zen2 clock-for-clock thanks to Zen3's far improved cache structure.

Adobe After Effects - AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3000 Series CPU Performance

AMD's new Threadripper Pro CPUs are here, combining many of the features from their Threadripper and EPYC CPU lines including increased memory and PCI-E capability. The amount of RAM you have available for After Effects is often critical, but is Threadripper Pro worth the cost in order to get up...

www.pugetsystems.com

We're not kidding. The Ryzen 9 5950x is one of the best processors ever made. Furthermore, many tasks (even video rendering on Adobe After Effects) are not as multithreaded as you might think, and are unable to benefit from higher core counts.

 

[FireFox]

I'm not trolling; I'm looking for info. all I see is use this not that with no links to proof. I'd love to see a review of real hardware, but the ryzen pro is new.

Then use Google ( Bar-search ) type reviews about the products/hardware you want to have info, also don't underestimate TPU's users, many of them have good knowledge about Building PCs.

 

[dragontamer5788]

EDIT: I think I misunderstood what was going on. See a later post for my conclusion. I'm editing out my original post.

 

[Grog6]

Sorry guys; I'm not trying to troll; I'm looking for empirical evidence.

I was hoping someone would have some experience with this mobo/ processor combo.
I would expect a 3rd gen processor to be 20% faster. I'm thinking the next gen processors will probably use this socket, with the 8 memory channels.
the older gens kept the same socket for quite a while.

There are 3x 8 pin connectors that will require powering; thats a lot of power.

Why even ask for help when you go directly against common sense? You're not even willing to understand and then just spew nonsense (no, your 2011-based system is NOT faster in gaming than even the cheapest 11th gen Intel processor).
Why would anyone want to help you when you just dismiss everything logical?
At this point you must be trolling.

Then you can ask to a Mod to close the thread.
Shame, lot of good advices but you don't want to listen

My twin 7970 system is much faster than his cpu- based video in gaming.


I'm getting some value out of this; there were 2 links to helpful articles.

Thanks for the input, everyone.