So is a 7 year old X58 system obsolete. Lets get some numbers and see.

cdawall · Jun 30, 2016

Just remember IPC is very close between Nehalem and bulldozer... So anything limited by the fx series is limited by those i7's

TheoneandonlyMrK · Jun 30, 2016

EarthDog said:
The ram speeds have NOTHING to do with it outside of a rare few titles (FO4 being one exception - it sees improvements on skylake from clow DDR4 to fast). You can pick exceptions all day, but that isn't the rule/majority.

There are articles/reviews that show the difference between ram speed and its negligible as its always been (again outside of a title or two or when using iGPU). You also know, as TPU did the testing, PCIe 2.0 16x is as fast as PCIe 3.0 8x... a 1% loss at most.

Really... Nehalem + modern high end GPU @ 1080p = glass ceiling. As I said before, it is still plenty serviceable, but there would be a difference, at the same clocks, between i7 920 at 4GHz and Skylake at 4Ghz/stock for many reasons, most of which being the CPU is too slow to push the GPUs at the 'low' res of 1080 with all the FPS the cards can push out.

And What...
So you can still game on one then just not with the highest settings in all games.
Saved from the bin then eh.
My Fx has the same ceiling I game fine thank you very much.

Recon-UK · Jul 1, 2016

cdawall said:
Just remember IPC is very close between Nehalem and bulldozer... So anything limited by the fx series is limited by those i7's

FX 8320 at 5ghz.

My CPU at 4.2ghz.

R-T-B · Jul 1, 2016

cdawall said:
Just remember IPC is very close between Nehalem and bulldozer... So anything limited by the fx series is limited by those i7's

AMDs IPC on bulldozer is actually quite a bit worse...

Recon-UK · Jul 1, 2016

If i drop 50mhz on the CPU, this is what i get. I would say the Westmere XEON's are superior to Bloomfield chips as we have 32nm and more cache. Just wait until i get this under water, it's running under an ITX cooler right now.

EarthDog · Jul 1, 2016

theoneandonlymrk said:
And What...
So you can still game on one then just not with the highest settings in all games.
Saved from the bin then eh.
My Fx has the same ceiling I game fine thank you very much.

And nothing... cool your jets.

Did you miss what I was saying... just in case:

EarthDog said:
It isn't a huge deal (can be depending on title), but make no mistake about it, there is a glass ceiling on many titles, including FPS, from Nehalem based chips versus Haswell and Skylake at the same clockspeeds at 1080p.

EarthDog said:
As I said before, it is still plenty serviceable, but there would be a difference

cdawall · Jul 1, 2016

R-T-B said:
AMDs IPC on bulldozer is actually quite a bit worse...

It's pretty close and in multithreading shits all over it... Which means in games that use 4 threads it would typically perform better than the older Nehalem quad core parts.

R-T-B · Jul 1, 2016

cdawall said:
It's pretty close and in multithreading shits all over it... Which means in games that use 4 threads it would typically perform better than the older Nehalem quad core parts.

multithreading has nothing to do with IPC. If you really believe it's close in IPC, look at the example posted above.

Recon-UK · Jul 1, 2016

cdawall said:
It's pretty close and in multithreading shits all over it... Which means in games that use 4 threads it would typically perform better than the older Nehalem quad core parts.

You mean 8 threads.

And... a game that can use 8 threads.

At least they tried.

Shadowplay with 970.

This is close to what my Phenom II did with GTX 580...

Only difference is the Phenom II is encoding the video, no Shadowplay here sonny jim, that beautiful Phenom II took a real pounding like a man.

cdawall · Jul 1, 2016

Recon-UK said:
You mean 8 threads.

And... a game that can use 8 threads.

At least they tried.

Two different gpus as well... Super good comparison...

RealNeil · Jul 2, 2016

All in all, the only thing that matters is that your X58's performance is good enough for ~you~. (or your AMD box)

As Ricky Nelson sang, "You know you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself"

I remember back in the day that I wanted an X58 system real bad. X58 was the shit.
But I couldn't afford it at the time, so I ended up with a Lynnfield i7-870 box instead.

I was happy with that except for the low number of PCI-E lanes it had. (one GPU ran fine though)
BTW: I still have that 870 and it still runs Linux wicked fast.

hat · Jul 2, 2016

IMO, it's got plenty of grunt left in it, especially when overclocked. Yes, x58 is still a good performer, however, the efficiency is very bad.

cdawall · Jul 2, 2016

Recon-UK said:
If i drop 50mhz on the CPU, this is what i get. I would say the Westmere XEON's are superior to Bloomfield chips as we have 32nm and more cache. Just wait until i get this under water, it's running under an ITX cooler right now.

View attachment 75926

Just to remind everyone how much faster the current intel offerings are.

This was while chrome was running and steam was downloading a game. So hardly a benchmarking situation.

AsRock · Jul 2, 2016

Rincewind said:
Only for a dirty mind It only means condition / to condition, but you can twist it to mean dirty stuff

Yup any thing can sound dirty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania

R-T-B · Jul 2, 2016

cdawall said:
Just to remind everyone how much faster the current intel offerings are.

This was while chrome was running and steam was downloading a game. So hardly a benchmarking situation.

And just for kicks, here's a mainstream modern skylake chip:

Mussels · Jul 2, 2016

3770k @ 4.2GHz (need thermal paste, can do 4.6 but had no saved benchies)

all these results really show is that thermals/efficiency got better, performance has been a slow increase along with clocks.

phill · Jul 2, 2016

I'm a very proud owner of 3, important I feel X58 systems that still work and run like the first day they were released...

http://imgur.com/a/fHkko

I also have a Z77 + 2600k, a Z97 + 4770k and what I'm using currently a X99 + 5960x which was cherry picked..

One thing I notice between them all is the money I've spent on each of them..
The i7 920s I have ran at 4.5Ghz most of their lives when I was using them everyday and they've never missed a beat.. terrific systems!!
The power in the 2600k and 4770k is noticeable in gaming benchmarks as well as the efficiency of the power draw from the socket, but I'm not bothered with that

The 5960x was a stupid buy but I always said I'd upgrade from a quad core to a octo core and well that's what I did

it runs at 4.6Ghz at 1.16vcore for HWBot benchies and I've seen 4.8Ghz around 1.25vcore.. its a beast..

But X58... rock on!!

huge respect for.older hardware, heck, I still have my socket A rig here and even an Amiga 500 and 1200 if you wanna go back a bit further....

Recon-UK · Jul 2, 2016

cdawall said:
Two different gpus as well... Super good comparison...

Yeah exactly, the 8350 should be winning, R9 290 vs GTX 670.
Never mind eh. :rolleyes:

For chit's n giggles...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1337699/sandy-bridge-vs-nehalem-vs-bulldozer-vs-piledriver-benchmarks

Enjoy

EarthDog · Jul 2, 2016

Strong showing compared to amd... 7% on average behind 3820 in games from 2012 on earlier.

CAPSLOCKSTUCK · Jul 2, 2016

Recon-UK said:
For chit's n giggles...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1337699/sandy-bridge-vs-nehalem-vs-bulldozer-vs-piledriver-benchmarks

Enjoy

cdawall · Jul 2, 2016

Recon-UK said:
For chit's n giggles...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1337699/sandy-bridge-vs-nehalem-vs-bulldozer-vs-piledriver-benchmarks

Enjoy

They were quite a bit closer in games than you would expect for $90 cpus

Recon-UK · Jul 2, 2016

cdawall said:
They were quite a bit closer in games than you would expect for $90 cpus

They never were, honestly i have owned the Phenom II, i5 2500k and this XEON... this XEON put's my 2500K to shame in everything outside of pure gaming, and is outstanding for gaming too, i had GTX 480 SLi on the 2500K rig running at 5ghz.

FX is no better than Phenom II apart from when you clock it to around 4.5ghz, at 5ghz it barely matches a Bloomfield @ 4.0ghz, Bloomfield will easily go past 4.0ghz, FX 8350's will struggle to go past 4.6ghz for the most part, and require very high end motherboards to do so.

cdawall · Jul 2, 2016

Recon-UK said:
They never were, honestly i have owned the Phenom II, i5 2500k and this XEON... this XEON put's my 2500K to shame in everything outside of pure gaming, and is outstanding for gaming too, i had GTX 480 SLi on the 2500K rig running at 5ghz.

FX is no better than Phenom II apart from when you clock it to around 4.5ghz, at 5ghz it barely matches a Bloomfield @ 4.0ghz, Bloomfield will easily go past 4.0ghz, FX 8350's will struggle to go past 4.6ghz for the most part, and require very high end motherboards to do so.

The FX chips clock over 4.6 fine?

in other news these are two different versions of the game...so no surprise results are different. Notice how the menus aren't the same, god only knows which driver versions are being used as well.

I have had pretty much every generation of chip between the Athlon 64 and current batch. People act as if the FX chips are the worst thing to be built, really they work fine for 99% of users...and I have no idea what overclocking issues you have I have yet to have an FX not hit 4.8-5. They are a glass ceiling just like X58 as has been said posting a million benchmarks showing how they are within a couple percent of all of the intel chips of old isn't going to change that...

Recon-UK · Jul 2, 2016

Without recording the Phenom II scores roughly the same as the FX in both video's...

FX is much higher than mine as he uses ShadowPlay or a capture device.

920 is only at 4ghz.

Very suitable epic music for Nehalem.

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So is a 7 year old X58 system obsolete. Lets get some numbers and see.

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