So is a 7 year old X58 system obsolete. Lets get some numbers and see.

[phill]

One thing I can say from my little experience is that my 920 @ 4.5Ghz I noticed not much of a step up in performance going to a stock 4770k. Benchmark scores where around the same overall, the CPU scores obviously a bit different but there wasn't a gap that I was expecting at all.. I was a bit disappointed in a way that there wasn't a bigger gap at stock but I suppose overclocking made it better. Aside from the power saving when you press the on button, I didn't really notice anything much different.

Just as I've gone from the i7 920 @ 4.2Ghz to a 2600k @ 4.8Ghz to 4770k @ 4.8Ghz and at the moment my 5960X is at stock but I've not yet gamed with it.. I need to sit and set it up but I'm off to work in an hour so that's not gonna happen lol Bar the 920 not having the same GPU installed, all the others I have and only really noticed the benchmark scores increasing not the FPS in games... Maybe it might be different with a different GPU?? Who knows

I was also told, if it's not broke, don't fix it

 

[Recon-UK]

From PCSX2 CPU benchmark.

84.33 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 4770K - 3.5 GHz Stock (Turbo Boost OFF) - Moosehunter
82.27 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 4670K - 3.4 GHz Stock (Turbo Boost OFF) - GranteedEV
82.05 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 650 - 4.6 GHz OC - Kyo3000 - CPU-Z
81.42 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 920 - 4.4 GHz OC - Unr3al
81.42 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 870 - 4.5 GHz OC - hallmark - CPU-Z
81.22 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 2500K - 4.0 GHz OC - Rezard
80.81 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 980X - 4.4 GHz OC - Hambone07si (non-member in this forum)
79.01 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i3 4130 - 3.4 GHz Stock (HT Off) - Serial Hacker
78.82 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 650 - 4.4 GHz OC - Kyo3000 - CPU-Z
78.43 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 2500K - 4.0 GHz OC - mike655
78.40 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 2500K - 4.0 GHz OC - cyber
77.86 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 870 - 4.2 GHz OC (HT off) - hallmark - CPU-Z
77.67 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i3 4130 - 3.4 GHz Stock (HT On) - Serial Hacker
77.67 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 920 - 4.2 GHz OC - Unr3al - CPU-Z
76.31 FPS - SLUS 20672 - AMD FX-6300 - 5.2 GHz OC (2 Modules) - ||dav1de|| - CPU-Z
75.29 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 920 - 4.0 GHz OC - Unr3al - CPU-Z
74.59 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 3570K - 3.4 GHz Stock (3.7 GHz w/TB) - Shadow Lady - CPU-Z
73.23 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 650 - 4.2 GHz OC - Kyo3000 - CPU-Z
72.80 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 920 - 4.0 GHz OC - gamerX1990 - CPU-Z
72.07 FPS - SLUS 20672 - AMD FX-8350 - 4.7 GHz OC - Sovereign
71.59 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 661 - 4.2 GHz OC (Turbo Boost OFF) - fariz_ - CPU-Z
71.11 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 2400 - 3.7 GHz OC - Rezard - CPU-Z
70.95 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 3570K - 3.4 GHz Stock (Turbo Boost OFF) - Shadow Lady - CPU-Z
70.64 FPS - SLUS 20672 - AMD FX-6300 - 4.8 GHz OC - ||dav1de|| - CPU-Z
70.11 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i3 550 - 4.1 GHz OC - abdo123 - CPU-Z
69.72 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.3 GHz Stock (Turbo Boost ON) - Rezard
69.22 FPS - SLUS 20672 - AMD FX-4300 - 4.62 GHz OC - DaTankAC
68.97 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i3 540 - 4.0 GHz OC - pbellh - CPU-Z
68.38 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i5 2500K - 3.3 GHz Stock (Turbo Boost ON) - cyber
67.94 FPS - SLUS 20672 - Intel Core i7 920 - 3.6 GHz OC - Master_DX



My entry.

Westmere-EP intel XEON E5640 @ 4.15ghz. http://valid.x86.fr/w1nvft

77.11FPS

http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-CPU-Benchmark-designed-for-PCSX2-based-on-FFX-2

 

[phill]

I'll give it a go and see what I can come up with for giggles

 

[EarthDog]

That bench... from 2010? What is a PCSX2/PCSX2 game? Is it relevant to today?

 

[Recon-UK]

That bench... from 2010? What is a PCSX2/PCSX2 game? Is it relevant to today?

Playstation 2 emulation which relies on IPC.

 

[phill]

I still bench when I feel like it, anything from 3D Mark 2001SE (well used to for HWBot) and such right up to the latest and greatest.. It might not be relevant as such but it can just be fun and hope that your on the money for others around what you are getting

But I think I need to be testing out gaming not so many benchmarks!! I need to learn to enjoy my PC not use it as a testing tool lol

 

[Ethereal]

look at my system specs. both systems are rock solid. this thread actually confirms for me that buying a 970 would not be a mistake given the age of the x58 chipset.

I bought the i7-970 used for 150 USD 7 months back

The 970 clock rate is default at 24/25 or so, basically you can only up it one cycle and that is is. The rest of the overclock past 3.333ghz requires the BCLK

My motherboard seems to be picky about booting into any OS once I up the BCLK. Something I need to resolve for the sake of keeping my system future proofed but for the most part. The board makes some sort of electrical noises. It's been like that since I had it but I thought nothing because my dads old computer that he built made noises and ran for 8 years.

My case aside, people can always hit 3.7 ghz overclock on the 970. My undervolting is really good

 

[Recon-UK]

If i was a guy outside of the computing world, i would be very much like this guy...

Actually done some crazy stuff with speakers myself

 

[EarthDog]

Playstation 2 emulation which relies on IPC.

So a 2 gen old console and instruction sets off that?!! Ok. Seems useless today...

I cant even figure out how to run that garbage, LOL!

 

[Recon-UK]

So a 2 gen old console and instruction sets off that?!! Ok. Seems useless today...

No one emulates PS2, Gamecube or Wii these days, no you are right.

https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-new-dolphin-cpu-benchmark-no-game-required

Just as in PCSX2, AMD remains the bottom runner and is not even capable of driving many Gamecube games to full speed in Dolphin.

Dolphin even uses DX12.

 

[EarthDog]

Yes, if you want to emulate 2 generations old consoles, a 6 year old CPU can handle it.

Cool.

 

[Recon-UK]

Yes, if you want to emulate 2 generations old consoles, a 6 year old CPU can handle it.

Cool.

And an AMD from 4 years a go can't.

Not hating on AMD, just bragging about how good Nehalem still is, get rekt

 

[EarthDog]

LOL, it seems to need cheerleaders...and people to justify why they still have it. Have fun bub!

 

[Recon-UK]

LOL, it seems to need cheerleaders...and people to justify why they still have it. Have fun bub!

I'm here for the fun, i bought this entire system like errr just over a week ago coming from an AMD Phenom II, before that i had the 2500K system which i sold off

 

[R-T-B]

Yes AMD is quite behind in CPU. This is not really breaking news though.

LOL, it seems to need cheerleaders...

No, not really. It does attract them though.

 

[Ithanul]

Yeah, running emulation of a console is no joke. That will beat the crap out of a CPU or at least put it through some serious work since it has to act like a piece of hardware that it is not.
Or heck, make it run Cities:Skylines. Once the population get pretty high and it trying to simulate all that traffic it starts tanking bad.

I don't have a X58 myself, but I still see some of the peeps over in OCN rocking them strong. Myself, I nabbed a X79 for cheap off a person with mobo and RAM. Pretty sweet deal since I nabbed to all in total for around 350 bucks. I have tinker with a X99 system since I was helping a guy put the computer together for him (got a free lunch out of it). Only thing I got to say, it sure was finicky bugger with OCing.

 

[cdawall]

And then there are the actual consoles running 8 low power jaguar cores. Rumor milling into Zen chips shortly. Man those amd parts must just be the worst. That or companies need to learn to code better one of the two.

 

[Recon-UK]

Why don't you buy one since you are so into them? Don't come crying though.

 

[Melvis]

FX 8320 at 5ghz.

My CPU at 4.2ghz.

What are the results with more stock clock settings? Ill do the test at home myself but thought id see what you would get as I have found the higher you clock the FX chips the worst they scale, but I could be wrong.

 

[Recon-UK]

What are the results with more stock clock settings? Ill do the test at home myself but thought id see what you would get as I have found the higher you clock the FX chips the worst they scale, but I could be wrong.

That was pulled from the CPU-Z benchmark thread, i should have actually mentioned that, BTW i'm slapping a H100 on my XEON and aiming for 4.7ghz as my result, don't actually sigh... as i am a god hand at overclocking

Say about 2V through the CPU, take a trip to Russia, sub zero cooling with H100, easy 6ghz

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

That was pulled from the CPU-Z benchmark thread, i should have actually mentioned that, BTW i'm slapping a H100 on my XEON and aiming for 4.7ghz as my result, don't actually sigh... as i am a god hand at overclocking

sighing in eager anticipation................

ive got H100 on my X5670

 

[Recon-UK]

Well 1.288v @ 4.15ghz, 1.3v at 4.25ghz, and for 4.4ghz this needs 1.34v... LOL

Never seen a chip be so linear with voltage, but i'm down with it, the board may cap out at around 220mhz BCLK, so i will have to do some adjustments to go further over that, maybe some PCI-E OC'ing.

Kind of an odd question, but @CAPSLOCKSTUCK you ever thought of upgrading to a beastly PSU?
Almost every bit of hardware i get i can take way out of spec and much further than the average joe with ease, but i noticed people are on mid end to budget end PSU's, i run a ridiculous 1KW Strider which uses an Enhance design, hugely powerful single 12V rail and a max output of 1130watts, also ludicrous 12v ripple stability.

Just wondering if my results are more to do with how damn good the PSU is?

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/02/27/how_does_my_power_supply_impact_overclocking/#.V3jRFiIkq70

Interesting... may have found my answer lol.


"
The answer to your question is that it depends on how well managed your heat output is; how long you want the hardware to last; and how far towards the edges of the ATX12V specification you want to be.



Ripple/noise have what I would call a moderate amount of impact on overclocking per se in the short term unless the values are massively out of specification. However, the closer you are to a clean output the less work that is done by the downstream VRMs, MOSFETs, and capacitors. Less work means the less wear, the less heat, etc. that these components experience. The less heat these downstream components experience, the less heat you have to manage in the system, which calculates to longer component lifespan. The longer you are able to push the boundaries of those components (potentially) before you cross that line where those fail or the effects of those stressed components on a GPU or CPU of increased voltage to those components to overcome the increased resistance (it is somewhat of a viscous circle) that causes heat problems in the CPU/GPU itself. That all said, in reality, the ripple/noise values are more a long term damage issue due to the better quality motherboards these days. (This is of course subjective depending on how "long," "long term" is, but not in the few minutes you are trying to hit some peak OC then back off to a lower value.) But your poor hard drives....oh the data!



Voltage regulation can be a much more obvious problem. All of the things above apply to voltage regulation since voltages are "stable" (or so we hope). Not seeing the same kind of change rates we see with ripple/noise, we don't have a cyclic problem but a continuous one where we are stepping down a voltage (12v mostly) to something much lower and in the efficiency side of things we are seeing losses in the form of heat. So, again, all of the issues you have with components on your motherboard or your video card heating up, and the stability issues that comes with overclocking. The second issue is, "Are we in specification or not?" All PSUs have some sort of base set point for each voltage in that particular unit due to tolerances and screening of components. It is rare that the set point is nominal (12v, 5v, or 3.3v). So, the regulation becomes immediately important because if your unit is near one of the specification limits, or you just have really poor regulation, and a load causes the voltage to exit the specification limit, you may exceed what your VRMs can handle. Or you maybe where thsoe can handle it but those are unable to provide the voltage called, and then that is it. So, you want a unit with a good of voltage regulation as you can get so you don't deviate anymore from whatever its set point within the spec range is than is necessary so there is less stress on those components downstream.



All of that said, how much does all this affect stable GPU and CPU overclocks in a scientifically quantifiable way? Holy god the number of confounding variables! The only thing I would reliably say and not end up eating a hat without access to a TON of programmable power sources and CPU and GPU cooling combinations is that less ripple is better and tighter voltage regulation is better than loose.



I hope that helps."

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

you ever thought of upgrading to a beastly PSU?

It never crossed my mind.

The highest i ever saw is 313 w on my system and i use CX 430 which is ideal i think but i can see where you are coming from.

It is the one part i always buy new and i cant justify spending so much on an under utilized component.

 

[Recon-UK]

It never crossed my mind.

The highest i ever saw is 313 w on my system and i use CX 430 which is ideal i think but i can see where you are coming from.

It is the one part i always buy new and i cant justify spending so much on an under utilized component.

It depends hugely on the type of setup you foresee yourself using, i wanted one that would last me years, it's 6 years old now... LOL

Good vid for you and others.

 

[FireFox]

X58 obsolete?
Yes

Can we still play games on it?
Absolutely.

Am i/ are we X58 owners in a worry to upgrade to a new platform?

Why should i/we if we are happy with our obsolete X58 platform.

My Sexy obsolete X58 Server

Unfortunately out of service because I don't know what to use it for

 

[cdawall]

Why don't you buy one since you are so into them? Don't come crying though.

Quite a few people have hence why amd is still around, it's only a multi-billion dollar industry whenever people talk mad shit on amd products remember it took until skylake for multithreading on Intel to catch up to the crap fx chips. We may actually see them start to be useful as games actually start multithreading correctly.