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So is a 7 year old X58 system obsolete. Lets get some numbers and see.

games that love ipc = 95%
games that love cores= 5%

in another decade we will laugh at the idea of gaming on a fast dual, today it is still as viable as it a decade ago....

dx 10 was meant to change that, so was 11...maybe 12 really will but i think the transition to 64bit for the consoles will really be what makes this next gen of games shine. not being limited to the constraints 32bit places is what is really going to let games kick on.

now to come back to something like the topic?

x58 is still a good cpu today for many tasks, maybe future games will make it even better for gaming. but as others have said the advances which have been made outside the cpu are what give more modern platforms the edge for anybody gaming today. skull trail too...
 
I am splitting hairs, I know, but it is nowhere near as viable as it was 10 years ago. Today, there are some games (2?) that just won't work with a dual core, period. Other games, albeit not many, suffer greatly performance wise with only two cores. 10 years ago, there were zero issues like this. As time goes on, more games will suffer with a dual core.
 
Alright this is properly the last benchmarks i will be posting now. I think i have posted an amount of benchmark now that can tell the performence of X58 system. So the last two is Wprime and hwbot prime.

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See my previous link (post 117) for 4.2GHz 6700K and WPrime. ;)

32M = 4.965
1024M = 151.458

That was at 4.218GHz, FYI.
 
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if anyone is sitting on an I3 and their frame rates are too low they need a better gpu.. a better gpu will most likely make their games playable.. a faster cpu on its own will not.. it might show a small improvement but not enough to matter..

trog
 
Nobody said on its own... just that your statement, being so absolute while there are so many exceptions, needed adjusted.

You got hung up on the i3/dual core thing when I was really focused on FPS improvements from a CPU. Sure, a GPU matters more, however, there are still gains to be had, particularly with multiple GPUs as well as with AMD processors... intel shows some improvements as well. As I said, go look at techspot reviews and see. ;)

EDIT: Well, you dont have to adjust it... being your opinion and all, but, its wrong as written. ;)
 
i could change "i 100% disagree" to "i strongly disagree" :)

not quite so "absolute" that one.. :)

i aint sure that an I3 comes under my definition of a "half decent cpu" but i doubt there are many games that would not play okay with an I3 and a 980 ti however ill matched the combination is.. :)

trog
 
Everyone hates the phrase "future proof" but it's hard to look at the X58 platform, and in extension Nehalem / Westmere, and not agree that it was and is the most future proof platform Intel has made. X79 is going to surpass it in performance/dollar in the used markets here pretty quick (and if you get lucky on a decent board + Xeon 1600 series it already does) however X58 still does basically all the same tricks despite its age. It's a platform that in 2-3 years when we approach a decade since its release it will still be in use due to its stability and performance.

In an extension of that I feel X99 is a true successor to X58. Like X58, it has brought a new generation of features and technologies into a very well deployed and unified platform, and I see it lasting 5-8 years in many enthusiast's rigs.

Keep rocking X58 you diehards.
Indeed, I see so many still rocking a X58. Darn, solid CPUs and boards.

Though, I'm giddy that I manage to nab a 3930K with RIVBE with RAM off a dude for 350. Best darn deal I ever got on some hardware.
 
Indeed, I see so many still rocking a X58. Darn, solid CPUs and boards.

Though, I'm giddy that I manage to nab a 3930K with RIVBE with RAM off a dude for 350. Best darn deal I ever got on some hardware.

That is a hell of a deal. I myself am using an E5-1650 and P9X79 Deluxe that I got for $265 total. It's hard to find deals where I live, but sometimes you pay pennies for gold.
 
sometimes you pay pennies for gold.


exactly

E5620....4 cores 8 threads clocks to 4.0+ ghz


£12.00 delivered :clap:

I bought 2 for my cruncher.........£ 16.00 for the pair, delivered, sold them and put 2 x E5640 in, they were £22.00 for the pair.
 
Here is a quick picture of my 1366 System I use for my business. Has the i7 970, 6GB RAM, and a GTX 750 GPU. The system I got really cheap for about $300 :) (Motherboard, RAM and i7 940 for $140) Bought the i7 970 for $120 and traded my i7 940 for it. GTX 750 1GB for $50. Motherboard is a GA-EX58-UD5 Tri SLi, Tri Crossfire.
 

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Here is a quick picture of my 1366 System I use for my business. Has the i7 970, 6GB RAM, and a GTX 750 GPU. The system I got really cheap for about $300 :) (Motherboard, RAM and i7 940 for $140) Bought the i7 970 for $120 and traded my i7 940 for it. GTX 750 1GB for $50. Motherboard is a GA-EX58-UD5 Tri SLi, Tri Crossfire.

Very similar to the setup I just put together for someone at work. I7 950@3.8, evga x58, 12gb of ram, 2x240gb ssds in raid 0 and a gtx680. It's a wee bit excessive for a Web browser but she complained about her 860 being slow and boss man said fix
 
Let me also share my X58 related experience with you.

I am still rocking an now ancient i7 920 C0/C1 on a despicable Zotac X58-SLI-A-E motherboard (probably one of the weakest and most problematic X58 implementations - having no real OC capabilities and tons of issues with RAM, no Xeon support and with the latest BIOS unusable due to a bug that prevents saving settings to CMOS). Managed to have it accept 8GB in Dual Channel mode, using a Corsair Force GT 120 GB SSD for OS and a number of WD and Seagate spinning drives for storage, powered by a Corsair TX 850, cooled by a Scythe Katana, all within a Lian-Li B20 Silent aluminium case, with the bonus of still being able to use the excellent Audigy 2 ZS. With a 660Ti, I can still play most games on their higher / highest settings (1080) and operation is quite snappy for my needs. Sure, I don't edit 4k video, nor do I run 4k or 3D games, being on the conservative side or rather unimpressed by the contemporary wonders of technology.

Alas, after considering a jump to Haswell-E or Skylake, I ended up getting an incremental, but quite significant upgrade... on the same X58 platform. Managed to get an Asus RIII Formula, 12 GB CL7 1600 Mushkins, and X5680 CPU for the equivalent of $200. Since I'm a sucker for silent systems, went for Fractal Design R5 Titanium + Noctua D14, which should be future proof. Moving the power supply, graphics and audio cards, as well as SSD and faster, larger disks to the new build and replacing them with decent stuff I still have around the house to give it away as a working PC
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Alas, while I don't believe hexacore makes much of a difference for most games, what people often fail to realize is that multitasking can be dramatically improved, especially by mapping certain tiers of processes to specific cores (those kind of processes which do not scale well or at all across more than two cores), while having four cores at all times for gaming or cpu hungry apps.

Really, except for the ludicrous burst speeds offered by more recent SATA III controllers, not to mention M2 / NVME and so on (which I don't care much about), I guess I'll also throw in an GTX 1070 when the price goes down for a promo and I expect to be safe for another two or three years.

I'm not saying that there has been no progress since X58, it would be stupid to say so. However, I didn't perceive it as huge as the figures would have you believe at work, where I do have new gen hardware and more resource-intensive stuff to do.

By the way, I fail to understand why someone would ever want to use two SSDs in RAID 0 outside benchmark territory. In real life, having your OS and apps on an SSD and the temp files/swap on another is overall far more efficient in a quite palpable manner. Even 3 SSDs - OS / Apps / Swap are a niftier setup, in my opinion.

So far, the best use I've had for a home desktop raid setup is the mirror setting, for backup and redundancy of the dearest data.
 
These poor old workhorses really need to be put out to pasture...
 
Still running strong here
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These poor old workhorses really need to be put out to pasture...

You kinda ignored the whole thread here showing the opposite.

My brother games on one of these with a GTX 980. No bottleneck.
games that love ipc = 95%
games that love cores= 5%

It's more like:

games that love ipc = 2.5%
games that love cores= 2.5%
games that love GPU = 95%
 
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@NATO Not at all i built one last year for a friend's son for Xmas he is inseparable from it now especially with my old 7970 matrix in it, how quaint eh.
And another signed up to the master race muhahaha.
 
You kinda ignored the whole thread here showing the opposite.

The feature set on these things is long outdated and performance in key areas has fallen behind a bit. I think people just think of the 'incremental' upgrades between generations, but those small increases do add up - particularly when you're talking several generations. In the area of gaming, probably not. Are these things still decent value? Probably, but you can find cheap Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips around these days.

Not everyone can afford or needs the latest and the greatest, but more can be had for a similar price to this platform - better DDR3 support, native USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, SATA 3.0 and so on. Anyone considering a cheap upgrade on a budget will be better off with something else.
 
The feature set on these things is long outdated and performance in key areas has fallen behind a bit. I think people just think of the 'incremental' upgrades between generations, but those small increases do add up - particularly when you're talking several generations. In the area of gaming, probably not. Are these things still decent value? Probably, but you can find cheap Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips around these days.

Not everyone can afford or needs the latest and the greatest, but more can be had for a similar price to this platform - better DDR3 support, native USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, SATA 3.0 and so on. Anyone considering a cheap upgrade on a budget will be better off with something else.

Your comment was not that better could be had (which is obvious) but more that if you already own one, it needs to be "put out to pasture." That's what I found silly.

The feature set on these things is long outdated and performance in key areas has fallen behind a bit.

Sounds kinda like AMD (whose IPC is still lower), and people still buy that for some reason...

Sorry, that was uncalled for. I'm just grumpy today.
 
My next upgrade will be a 12 core Intel on 14nm.
 
Your comment was not that better could be had (which is obvious) but more that if you already own one, it needs to be "put out to pasture."

They'd be doing themselves a favour. :p

Sounds kinda like AMD (whose IPC is still lower), and people still buy that for some reason...

I'd say they're either very budget minded and still want to buy new or are fans that are willing to support AMD, regardless of their position. Would be nice to see AMD do well again with the Zen architecture. Even if Zen doesn't trade blows with some of the Intel heavyweights, but manages to provide excellent efficiency and performance at a decent price, I think they could be on to something.
 
They'd be doing themselves a favour. :p

Depends on their usage and energy cost. In many parts of the USA for gaming anyways, you'd be wasting money upgrading, honestly.
 
Depends on their usage and energy cost. In many parts of the USA for gaming anyways, you'd be wasting money upgrading, honestly.

That's true. As always, it's very much down to the individual and their circumstances. For example, my key points would be energy efficiency and, somewhat more importantly, feature set. I always found the DDR3 support a bit iffy and USB 3.0 controllers buggy (AsMedia, I believe) - this of course could have been a one-off case.
 
My Intel 980 is still running strong but I have to "upgrade" soon cuz I don't think there are lga 1366 mitx boards... Probably get 7700k next year cuz I mostly game.
 
My baby.

Entire thing cost £210 shipped. Board, CPU, cooler, GPU.
See rig specs & sig.

CSGO 195-455FPS
BF4 64 man Gulf of Oman, 45-80FPS ultra, medium 66-131FPS.

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Video of BF4.

 
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