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#26
Actually, that was only true for the first 90 days after initial sale, if I recall the amount of time correctly. They were very specific about you only having a limited amount of time to get Media Center free. After that you had to pay to get it back (among other things) in the pro pack upgrade if you didn't get the Pro version.
Welll...........

 

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@MxPhenom 216: LOL! I stand partially corrected then, as they must have decided to put it back into 8.1 (which I still haven't upgraded to from 8 yet). There must have been alot of complaints, I bet.

EDIT: This is even funnier...becayse you and I are talking about two separate things. You're on Media Player, I'm talking about Media Center, which is indeed a paid add-on no matter how you look at it:
 
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So I'm going to need help understanding here. It seems like MS isn't communicating internally again.

In the US they're selling people on the idea that a tablet can "be about gaming and serious work" as long as you can attach a keyboard. They're also selling the "new windows" as a unified experience.

They've got the unique ability to say, in their commercials, that tablets can rival laptops, and the "proof" is that windows looks the same from phone to tablet to desktop.

That's interesting. There's the inference that a tablet can deliver enough computing performance to make the desktop PC an irrelevance. The other inference I draw is that the touch interface is the only concern that people should consider.


While pursuing these ads, they're forced to release updates to Windows 8. These forced updates aren't improvements, in so much as they are concessions to users wanting a different experience from different primary inputs. My computer should have an interface that fits a keyboard and mouse, but my touch screen phone has to work correctly there.

I find the dichotomy difficult to reconcile, but at the same time approve of the concession to bring the Windows 8 performance into a UI more akin to Windows 7. Maybe I'll check out 8.3, but for the time being the metro UI and some of the sillier decisions MS has been making (forced app store, unique directx for windows 8, and forcing metro when it was always possible to have a more familiar UI) have soured me.

Two claps for making Windows 8 better. Ten smirks for it taking this long to realize the folly in some of your actions MS.
See this is why I won't believe this until I hear more about it or see it. It goes against so many things they've fought for in recent years.
 
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#29
Did someone say.... "START MENU" ????
 
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You have to love it, forcing their 'updated' OS on us and then having to back down and give us what we said we wanted in the first place.

Anyway, they are biding their time, and soon they will have assimilated the next generation of users to conform to their way of thinking (Common Core), and all this nonsense about choice will be but a distant memory.
 

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You have to love it, forcing their 'updated' OS on us and then having to back down and give us what we said we wanted in the first place.

Anyway, they are biding their time, and soon they will have assimilated the next generation of users to conform to their way of thinking (Common Core), and all this nonsense about choice will be but a distant memory.
When did they force anything on us? its not like you are required to use windows 8 for anything. You still have windows 7 support as much as you did before.
 
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#32
I'm looking forward into testing windows 8.2 out.
I wonder what other tweaks they will make to it.

Still on 7 currently. But in testing windows 8.1 games/game benchmarks run better.
 

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#33
Wait I havent tried it yet but is this real? You cant play a DVD natively in 8.1?
 
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#34
Thing is less and less people have optical drives and they have to pay a license to the codecs and if less people have optical drives it gets more expensive for them to maintain support.

Blame the company that owns the codec for charging a lot....
 
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And the exclusive feature is... Direct X 12.0 and shader model 6.0 and D3D6 so i guess we will need new GPUs to take full advantage too :laugh:
 

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#36


I really wish I could turn of the avatars, all this softcore porn is annoying.
Now that's got to be the perviest avatar evva. :laugh:
 
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When did they force anything on us? its not like you are required to use windows 8 for anything. You still have windows 7 support as much as you did before.
Of course not, except if one wished to use the latest Microsoft OS, then one was forced to accept (what is in my personal opinion) the crap that is the Immersive UI and the other (my opinion) crap that was included, notwithstanding the improvements (as negligible as they are).

And is Microsoft not wanting to discontinue support of Windows 7 sooner that they have with past Operating Systems? Or is that just a vicious rumor?

You obviously are in favor the new paradigm, so I must cautiously refrain from making less than favorable comments about it, lest I be branded a 'hater' or 'ignorant' or 'old and unwilling to change' or any of the other insults bandied about by those who somehow cannot accept that others have an opinion about Windows 8 that differs from their own, correct?
 
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You can easily turn those off with start 8 or whatever.
 
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When did they force anything on us? its not like you are required to use windows 8 for anything. You still have windows 7 support as much as you did before.
I think that its hard these days to find any laptop/desktop in your local electronics store that has Windows 7, there ALL windows 8 now. And i get alot of people asking me can I put 7 back on this computer? and I say yes but trying to a find a retail copy of 7 is near impossible now down under.

So in a way yes they are forcing Windows 8 on us.
 
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Eh, wipe the shit and Linux the drive. You'd be surprised how few problems you have after that.
 

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Of course not, except if one wished to use the latest Microsoft OS, then one was forced to accept (what is in my personal opinion) the crap that is the Immersive UI and the other (my opinion) crap that was included, notwithstanding the improvements (as negligible as they are).
Since what you seem to think is crap that you are forced to use is really all that is improved with the latest OS, why would you wish to use the latest Microsoft OS?

And is Microsoft not wanting to discontinue support of Windows 7 sooner that they have with past Operating Systems? Or is that just a vicious rumor?
100% Rumor. Microsoft has said they have moved to a roughly 10 year life cycle for almost all their products. This includes Windows 7. It was released in July 2009 and the EOL date is Jan 2020, just over 10 years.

XP was pretty much their longest supported desktop OS, when it goes EOL it will have been supported for about 13 years. However, other than XP, most OSes have gone EOL around 10 years after their release or less.

98 = ~8 Years
WinME = ~6 Years
Win NT4.0 = ~8 Years
2000 = ~10.5 Years
Vista = ~10.5 Years
Win7 = ~10 Years
Win8 = ~10 Years
 
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Yeh, makes me laugh that people are so fixated with the start menu/start screen. Windows 8 motors......it takes no time whatsoever to get your head around how it works and is impressing me more and more each day I use it.
 
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Since what you seem to think is crap that you are forced to use is really all that is improved with the latest OS, why would you wish to use the latest Microsoft OS?

<SNIP>


Generally, I agree with you on most issues discussed on this forum, however; do I need the Start Screen? NO!

Is the Start Screen an actual improvement over the Start Menu? In my personal opinion and for my purposes: NO!

Do I need the Charms Bar? NO! (this is the most annoying and frustrating 'improvement' of all) Absolutely, most definitely NO!

Do I need the Windows Store? Again, a resounding NO!

Do I appreciate the 'under-the-hood improvements' in the kernal? YES! That is why I would use the latest iteration of the Microsoft OS, if the all of the 'crap' were removable or defeatable.

Hopefully, this explanation of my opinion will help you to understand why I believe too much of Windows 8.x is 'crap'. If not, then, obviously, there is no reason for me to continue...
 
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You can easily turn those off with start 8 or whatever.
Yes, and I can take a 1972 Chevy Vega and put a 327 V8 in it and otherwise modify it to make a street rod...
 

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Microsoft has said they have moved to a roughly 10 year life cycle for almost all their products. This includes Windows 7. It was released in July 2009 and the EOL date is Jan 2020, just over 10 years.
That's quite an impressive support period, especially given that revenue from new sales only lasts for the first few years. W7 is basically a dead loss for them now, the paid support some companies are willing to pay notwithstanding.

Of course, from the vendor's perspective, the optimum business model would be to discontinue support the minute the new product is released and have everyone move to the new product immediately. And of course, this can't happen in the real world. I'm applying this statement to any software vendor of any product, not just our particular example.
 
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#46
Yes, and I can take a 1972 Chevy Vega and put a 327 V8 in it and otherwise modify it to make a street rod...
so you would miss out on the following:

  • Improved file explorer UI with more options
  • Improved file transfer dialog with speed graph
  • Proper multimonitor taskbar and wallpaper support
  • Built in .iso mounting and burning
  • Better task manager with more info
  • OSD volume controls/display
  • Built in Hyper-V (previously only avalible in server releases) Please note: however it is a bit stripped down
 

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I have to admit that helped me when I adjusted to 8 DAT BUILT IN ISO MOUNT
 
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#48
Yes, and I can take a 1972 Chevy Vega and put a 327 V8 in it and otherwise modify it to make a street rod...
But it would still be a 72 Vega
 

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#49
Generally, I agree with you on most issues discussed on this forum, however; do I need the Start Screen? NO! Is the Start Screen an actual improvement over the Start Menu? In my personal opinion and for my purposes: NO! Do I need the Charms Bar? NO! (this is the most annoying and frustrating 'improvement' of all) Absolutely, most definitely NO! Do I need the Windows Store? Again, a resounding NO! Do I appreciate the 'under-the-hood improvements' in the kernal? YES! That is why I would use the latest iteration of the Microsoft OS, if the all of the 'crap' were removable or defeatable. Hopefully, this explanation of my opinion will help you to understand why I believe too much of Windows 8.x is 'crap'. If not, then, obviously, there is no reason for me to continue...
Meh, the under the hood improvements are very minor at best.

I get what you're saying about most of it being crap, but my point is that you don't have to use Windows 8. There isn't enough under the hood improvements to make it worth it.

That's quite an impressive support period, especially given that revenue from new sales only lasts for the first few years. W7 is basically a dead loss for them now, the paid support some companies are willing to pay notwithstanding.

Of course, from the vendor's perspective, the optimum business model would be to discontinue support the minute the new product is released and have everyone move to the new product immediately. And of course, this can't happen in the real world. I'm applying this statement to any software vendor of any product, not just our particular example.
In reality, Windows 7 is actually selling copies of Windows 8, so it makes sense to continue to support it. A lot of people are buying Windows 8 license just so they can downgrade to Windows 7.
 

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#50
And is Microsoft not wanting to discontinue support of Windows 7 sooner that they have with past Operating Systems? Or is that just a vicious rumor?
As others have said, it's just a rumor. In fact, sales of Windows 7 in nearly every version are STILL selling through online retailers nearly as fast as Windows 8.
 
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