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Actually, more like MS will make good changes every other OS, and people will bitch because they don't like change, then they will accept the changes and praise MS for making them in the next OS...

It isn't like Win7 really improved anything over Vista, people just bitched about Win7 less because they were already used to the changes from Vista.
I'm not bitching, I never tried 8. I feel like I just installed 7 and it works fine.. why push another os out already, if you want it to be tablet friendly then make a tablet os.
 

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I'm not bitching, I never tried 8. I feel like I just installed 7 and it works fine.. why push another os out already, if you want it to be tablet friendly then make a tablet os.
Win7 will already be 4 years old when Win8 is released, it is ancient by the industry standard, and the industry doesn't want another XP that sits stagnant for 10 years. Ideally, I'd like a new OS every 2 years. No one says you have to upgrade. Hell, it was really only 6 years between the release of XP and the release of Vista, and that already felt way to long.
 
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<SNIP>They were disappointed with how many people used the Developer Preview but never used Metro.
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That pretty much tells the tale...
 
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Win7 will already be 4 years old when Win8 is released, it is ancient by the industry standard, and the industry doesn't want another XP that sits stagnant for 10 years. Ideally, I'd like a new OS every 2 years. No one says you have to upgrade. Hell, it was really only 6 years between the release of XP and the release of Vista, and that already felt way to long.
I feel like your in the minority here. I think majority of people are perfectly content wit riding out a few more years with 7.
 

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I feel like your in the minority here. I think majority of people are perfectly content wit riding out a few more years with 7.
That wouldn't be the case if 8 had the Start Menu. Everyone would jerkin' off over it... well, something like that anyway.

The more I use Windows 8 the more Metro grinds my f'ing gears, but the improvements it brings in other areas (e.g. Task Manager, Windows Defender & Security Essentials being one and the same; to name only two) are very much welcome.

I look forward to the release candidates to see how they improve upon it.
 

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I feel like your in the minority here. I think majority of people are perfectly content wit riding out a few more years with 7.
If you talk to industry leaders, none of them will say "Yeah, we want another OS that sits stagnant like XP did." They all pretty much agree that the 6 year period between XP and Vista was too long, 4 years is a good release cycle.

That wouldn't be the case if 8 had the Start Menu. Everyone would jerkin' off over it... well, something like that anyway.

The more I use Windows 8 the more Metro grinds my f'ing gears, but the improvements it brings in other areas (e.g. Task Manager, Windows Defender & Security Essentials being one and the same; to name only two) are very much welcome.

I look forward to the release candidates to see how they improve upon it.
I've started using Start8 with the consumer preview, works great. Metro really is designed for a touch interface.
 
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If you ask residential consumers most of them will tell you that win 7 is running fine and they see no reason to upgrade to a new OS. Furthermore, most businesses will stick to win 7 due to its lower license fee compared to the new win 8.

That's what I've seen in the industry. Today's businesses won't pay the money to get a brand new OS on all their work stations. This is precisely why XP has lasted so long. Even here in a federal government building, a little less than half the work stations are still running XP.
 

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Actually, more like MS will make good changes every other OS, and people will bitch because they don't like change, then they will accept the changes and praise MS for making them in the next OS...

It isn't like Win7 really improved anything over Vista, people just bitched about Win7 less because they were already used to the changes from Vista.
I think it's mostly because vista fail hard with the driver side of things at the time of its release, also, it does ask for higher system requirement (real life, not ms recommended) than 7.

And imho, snap is the best thing ms did after xp sp2.
 

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If you ask residential consumers most of them will tell you that win 7 is running fine and they see no reason to upgrade to a new OS. Furthermore, most businesses will stick to win 7 due to its lower license fee compared to the new win 8.

That's what I've seen in the industry. Today's businesses won't pay the money to get a brand new OS on all their work stations. This is precisely why XP has lasted so long. Even here in a federal government building, a little less than half the work stations are still running XP.
If you ask residential customers they'll tell you they want to stick with XP and most business will too. Heck, most old school business will tell you 98 runs fine. So I don't see your point.

However, anyone that actually works on the computers and has to keep the running smoothly will say that the longer an OS is out the more painful it gets to keep it running smoothly. I support a huge number of XP workstations, and they stuck to maintain.

Win7 isn't going anywhere, people need to realize that just because Win8 is released, that doesn't mean everyone has to upgrade to Win8. However, we need a place to move forward. We can't just sit on our hands like we did with XP because it is "good enough". Win7 is a great OS, and I won't recommend any client to upgrade to it on an already existent machine. However, when they buy new machines they certainly will have Win8 on them, and that will be a good thing. We should never be in a position again where we go through multiple generations of workstations with the same OS. Every time you replace your workstation, the OS gets update at the same time.

I think it's mostly because vista fail hard with the driver side of things at the time of its release, also, it does ask for higher system requirement (real life, not ms recommended) than 7.

And imho, snap is the best thing ms did after xp sp2.

The driver issues were really the hardware manufacturer's fault. It was up to the hardware makers to make sure their hardware had drivers that worked with Vista, not Microsoft's. It was just like Windows 2000. The hardware makers dropped the ball with driver support, but the OS was actually pretty damn good, but got a bad name at first because hardware didn't support it.

And I don't think Vista has higher system requirements, at least I've never seen that. It uses ever so slightly more RAM and CPU power, but when it comes down to it if a machine can run Win7 smoothly it can run Vista smoothly. There isn't a machine out there that will chug on Vista, but magically run nice and smooth with Win7. And I think with the updates that Microsoft has done to Vista, the difference in resource footprint between Vista and Win7 has become virtually non-existent.
 
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The app will install the ‘Start’ button if users remember to keep the ‘start menu option’ selected during installation. Classic Shell will provide a menu that looks like the classic Windows XP one and not like what have been seen with Vista or Windows 7. Our friends over at Ghacks have reported that the ‘Start’ menu feels very responsive even when used on comparably weaker systems. On top of the ‘Start’ menu, Classic Shell also adds several tweaking components in their bid for users to maintain a ‘classic’ feel for their Windows experienced if they do not want or like the Metro interface highlighted in the upcoming OS.
Hm I will give it a shot.
 

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Yep, it's perfect now. Been using classicshell on win7 for some time now, was hoping for a win8 version. Win8 is actually usable now!