Who exactly is buying these GPUs if Gaming is basically incarcerated in China?

kapone32Who exactly is buying these GPUs if Gaming is basically incarcerated in China?

My understanding would be that since the "AI" chips (A800/H800) are being restricted from selling to China, Nvidia wants to put the next best thing in their hands to make more money, the 4090.

neatfeatguyMy understanding would be that since the "AI" chips (A800/H800) are being restricted from selling to China, Nvidia wants to put the next best thing in their hands to make more money, the 4090.

There is so many rabbit holes that looking into this could unravel. I was watching a video on Youtube that said the Russian drones they get from Iran are now showing examples of Machine Learning.

kapone32Who exactly is buying these GPUs if Gaming is basically incarcerated in China?

They're using them instead of workstation class cards (which are export locked) for shit the US gov doesn't want them to use them for...

This highlights the sketchy nature of Nvidia.

kapone32Who exactly is buying these GPUs if Gaming is basically incarcerated in China?

last thing I heard from Angry Joe, basically nobody is keeping to the rules and regulations of the government so there is that.

What I will never understand is how much is enough. They don't even need China to be more than viable. Where I live a 4090 has been 2300-2500 since launch so they are selling but people in Canada have none of the restrictions that Chinese people tolerate.

kapone32What I will never understand is how much is enough. They don't even need China to be more than viable. Where I live a 4090 has been 2300-2500 since launch so they are selling but people in Canada have none of the restrictions that Chinese people tolerate.

They've been gouging the professional markets for a few years and now AMD is coming online with their AI gpus, so their stranglehold on 80% margins is weakening. Also the market conditions are so bad all the big players that they were gouging the F out of are now developing their own AI chips, with Tesla already ramping production of theirs. Selling a $3K gpu for $40K is like crack cocaine to them and clearly they don't give a F.

And idiots thought nvidia had a problem producing gpus in the covid pandemic ehhe, they were producing and not selling any, making prices to rise 3x their msrp and charging an extra for it, nvidia fooled many idiots and to this day those idiots think nvidia has principles.

kapone32What I will never understand is how much is enough. They don't even need China to be more than viable. Where I live a 4090 has been 2300-2500 since launch so they are selling but people in Canada have none of the restrictions that Chinese people tolerate.

It is never enough.

kapone32What I will never understand is how much is enough. They don't even need China to be more than viable. Where I live a 4090 has been 2300-2500 since launch so they are selling but people in Canada have none of the restrictions that Chinese people tolerate.

Capitalism eats itself if it goes unchecked, frankly we need more regulation (generally speaking).
When you roll it back all that happens is consumers suffer and executives add diamond studded bidets to their 3rd homes.

Double-ClickCapitalism eats itself if it goes unchecked, frankly we need more of it (generally speaking).
When you roll back regulations all that happens is consumers suffer and executives add diamond studded bidets to their 3rd homes.

Yeah its just a shame that while eating itself, it also eats the planet we live on. It'd be fine if capitalism could exist in a vacuum, but...

NVIDIA will sell their soul in order to make money, no matter the cost...including helping their own country's enemy. Money grabbing nasty company.

oh noez how will I get my 2k€ GPU now??

progsteoh noez how will I get my 2k€ GPU now??

LOL

Scum does what it does.

Err yeh. 3k tho

InterventionNVIDIA will sell their soul in order to make money, no matter the cost...including helping their own country's enemy. Money grabbing nasty company.

Says the guy who still supporting AMD after they sold x86 to China. :rolleyes:

RecusSays the guy who still supporting AMD after they sold x86 to China. :rolleyes:Touched a soft spot there I see LOL.

Oh boy here we go. Getting personal LOL Touched a soft spot there I see NVIDIA fanboy. But just to entertain, I own NVIDIA and AMD gpu's. Great products, designed by their engineers. Awful ethics on both sides as companies, but NVIDIA is the nastiest imo. Took advantage of the mining days to skyrocket GPU prices and kept the prices comfortably there, up in the sky. What used to cost $600-700 now costs $2000 just because. Same for AMD. No real reason in the manufacturing process, or cost for parts to increase prices. There you go.

thesmokingmanThey're using them instead of workstation class cards (which are export locked) for shit the US gov doesn't want them to use them for...

This highlights the sketchy nature of Nvidia.

Absolutely nothing sketchy about covering your bases against government imposed restrictions. Anyone that is looking to protect their business would do the same. Apparently, the 4090 is that powerful, it bothered even the DoD - and it's still so hilariously cut down from the full potential of an AD102 product that features full amount of execution units and all cache that it's insane. If there is decisive proof that AMD never stood a chance this generation, it's the export restriction placed onto this gaming-grade, consumer graphics card.

InterventionOh boy here we go. Getting personal LOL Touched a soft spot there I see NVIDIA fanboy. But just to entertain, I own NVIDIA and AMD gpu's. Great products, designed by their by engineers. Awful ethics on both sides as companies, but NVIDIA is the nastiest imo. Took advantage of the mining days to skyrocket GPU prices and kept the prices comfortably there, up in the sky. What used to cost $600-700 now costs $2000 just because. Same for AMD. No real reason in the manufacturing process, or cost for parts to increase prices. There you go.

Let me know if this time they don't tell buyers of X670E motherboards that their "bios chip is too tiny" and "if they want Zen 6, they should buy another. stop being cheap, because your early boards are all faulty and defective", just to U-turn once Intel butchers their product line to the point they can't sell $300 Ryzen 5 CPUs anymore. If the X370 farce (I just remembered, they also sent a cease and desist for AsRock for actually updating the X370 Taichi's BIOS with Zen 3 compatible AGESA against their will) and outright lie didn't show their true colors, then remember about the abortion that's the TRX40 platform (which never received Zen 3 despite the processor being finalized and ready to ship - they just prioritized Epyc to the max to maximize margins), their intentional withholding of dual CCD X3D CPUs because "customers don't really need a CPU that powerful" (read: it threatens our high-margin server business), and don't get me started on the Radeon line, especially us Vega FE owners. You'll never hear the end of it.

neatfeatguyMy understanding would be that since the "AI" chips (A800/H800) are being restricted from selling to China, Nvidia wants to put the next best thing in their hands to make more money, the 4090.

The export restriction applies to the GeForce RTX 4090, enterprise RTX 6000 Ada Generation and the new L40S accelerator as well. Not only the A100 and H100. Basically, all AD102-based products have been deemed too powerful for the Chinese to possess by the Biden administration. It's a largely symbolic restriction, of course.

I'm sorry, while I have no insider knowledge, this rumour sounds a bit confected. Nvidia released a statement saying it wasn't concerned about the 4090 restrictions if they came in so...

Does Nvidia know where the cards will go? What if they end up in Russia? Would Nvidia sell cards to anyone - including war aggressors, terrorists?!

kapone32Who exactly is buying these GPUs if Gaming is basically incarcerated in China?

Actually people over 18 can do what ever they want, I heard that the rule only apply to kids

InterventionMoney grabbing nasty company.

Isn't every company doing that, to even exist?

BIGMicroDoes Nvidia know where the cards will go? What if they end up in Russia? Would Nvidia sell cards to anyone - including war aggressors, terrorists?!

Some of them will likely end up in Russia, yes. Just like plenty of Intel, AMD and Apple products. See, the Chinese do not abide by European demands and conduct business as usual with the Russians - there has never been any significant shortage of products in Russia due to trade restrictions, and it is widely known that Western sanctions were completely ineffective at eroding the RUB and preventing that products reach the hands of their population. If anything, it backfired due to the costs involved to Western companies all while that has visibly strengthened the BRICS trade bloc.

P4-630Isn't every company doing that, to even exist?

Shhh, don't tell anyone that. Profits and capitalism are le ebil. :rolleyes:

That should not be a problem for China. They will just do what they do best. Making copies of rtx 4090 as they do with so much else.

Kasy21Actually people over 18 can do what ever they want, I heard that the rule only apply to kids

With the way the Correction is going on China I doubt most of these are being bought by people like you and me. I heard the rule applied to Online Gaming period. Let's also remember they also seized Mining when Bitcoin was approaching $50000.