Thursday, July 15th 2010

Radeon HD 5830 Gets Price-Cuts, Takes Aim at GeForce GTX 460

Call it one of the immediate repercussions of NVIDIA's Monday launch of the GeForce GTX 460, AMD has responded covertly with noticeable price-cuts for the ATI Radeon HD 5830 graphics card, from across various AIB partners. Leading partners such as Sapphire, HIS, and Gigabyte positioned their models that have AMD-reference clock speeds at US $199.99, and factory-overclocked models starting at $229.99. Incidentally these are two price-points NVIDIA is targeting with the GeForce GTX 460, with the 768 MB variant positioned at $199.99, which NVIDIA refers to as the gamers' sweet-spot, and the 1 GB variant at $229.99.

Reviews from across the web show that while GeForce GTX 460 768MB gets close to the Radeon HD 5830 in terms of performance, it only takes the 1 GB variant to perform on par. With AMD positioning the HD 5830 at $199, and factory-overclocked HD 5830 starting at $229.99, things could get heated up in this market segment. Based on the 40 nm Cypress GPU, the Radeon HD 5830 is DirectX 11 compatible, packs 1120 stream processors, and 1 GB of GDDR5 memory.
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84 Comments on Radeon HD 5830 Gets Price-Cuts, Takes Aim at GeForce GTX 460

#1
Lionheart
Lol didn't see this coming ATI, but seriously I would still buy the GTX 460 then this and I prefer ATI more most of the time :P
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#2
wiak
/me hugs his 5870 1GB, half year old and still fast :respect:
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#3
phanbuey
yeah in order to target the 460 it needs to be at 179.99.
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
CHAOS_KILLA said:
Lol didn't see this coming ATI, but seriously I would still buy the GTX 460 then this and I prefer ATI more most of the time :P
At $199, HD 5830 is faster than GTX 460 768MB ($199), and has higher performance per dollar compared to GTX 460 1GB ($229, which performs on par).
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#5
ERazer
woot great news cmon nvidia release more so i can get another 5870 :toast:
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#6
Lionheart
btarunr said:
At $199, HD 5830 is faster than GTX 460 768MB ($199), and has higher performance per dollar compared to GTX 460 1GB ($229, which performs on par).
Still prefer the GTX 460
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#7
Benetanegia
btarunr said:
At $199, HD 5830 is faster than GTX 460 768MB ($199), and has higher performance per dollar compared to GTX 460 1GB ($229, which performs on par).
That is not what Wizzard's review says at all (not that others say any different). At the resolutions at which this cards are going to be used, 1920x1200 and 1680x1050 the 768MB GTX460 is a good 6% and 7% faster than the 5830. The 1GB 460 is 15% faster and does cost 15% more, same perf/price.



^^Even the mild OCing in the $210 MSI Cyclone makes it 11% faster than the HD5830.

MSI N460GTX Cyclone 768D5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Ferm...

Nah, Ati is trying to use the halo of their HD5000 in their favor, but IMO they will have to lower the price much more.
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#8
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Where is the 5870 on down price cuts, ha ha :)
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#9
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
IMO its the 5850 that needs a small price cut. the 5850 performs a slightly little bit better then the 460 but its upto £30-40 expensive. even if its not a big price cut, even a small one would bring the 5850 back into the game against the 460.
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#10
afw
phanbuey said:
yeah in order to target the 460 it needs to be at 179.99.
+1 ... and the 5770 should be at $130 and 5750 at $100 ;)
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#11
devguy
FreedomEclipse said:
IMO its the 5850 that needs a small price cut. the 5850 performs a slightly little bit better then the 460 but its upto £30-40 expensive. even if its not a big price cut, even a small one would bring the 5850 back into the game against the 460.
I agree that the 5850 needs a price cut, but not because of a threat from the GTX460. In all the reviews I've seen, you need that GTX460 over 800mhz (core) to come near the performance of a stock HD 5850 (which is actually impressive BTW), but overclock the HD 5850 and that is long gone.

IMHO, this is the price point the HD 5830 should've launched at. They've been asking way too much for this ROP crippled Evergreen. If they would've just dropped the stream processor count down to 1120 units but left the ROP amount alone, then this card would've been much better.
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#12
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
I think that ATI should drop the price of every card in their line-up by 50%.
That would shake things up somewhat as ATI sales would go through the roof and the ER near the green headquarters would be a bit crowded. :D
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#13
TheOnlyHero
I have a small Question . Why the card is 200 $ in US and 200 pounds in UK ?
Ho makes the cost of the products ? why the people in europe have to pay more for the same article ?:eek:
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#14
Benetanegia
WarEagleAU said:
Where is the 5870 on down price cuts, ha ha :)
Before that happens 3 events have to occur:

1- Nvidia clears complete 465, and probably enough 470 inventories.
2- Once that happens Nvidia releases GTX475 aka full GF104 with 384 SP.
3- Nvidia does want to make that SKU competitive, meaning that is clocked above 700Mhz.

It all boils down to 1 really, since I'm 99% sure that Nvidia could have released that card along with the 460. They fixed all the problems related to 40nm for this chip as can be seen from the good power consumption and uber high OCs (in some reviews the Asus one with voltage control has reached 900++ Mhz) so I don't believe for one second that yields for the full chip are low. Not even close to what would be described as low, in fact, yields must be really good (for being 40 nm).

They didn't because it would compete with or even beat the GTX470. So right now they are doing two things, stockpile chips so to make a good launch and wait until they move some GF100 inventory, just like they waited with the 512MB 8800GTS.

TheOnlyHero said:
I have a small Question . Why the card is 200 $ in US and 200 pounds in UK ?
Ho makes the cost of the products ? why the people in europe have to pay more for the same article ?:eek:
I've been just looking for prices in the UK in order to make a half informed recommendation to a guy from UK and the GTX460 can be had for 159 pounds in OCUK, which has never been known for it's good prices afaik.
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#15
phanbuey
btarunr said:
At $199, HD 5830 is faster than GTX 460 768MB ($199), and has higher performance per dollar compared to GTX 460 1GB ($229, which performs on par).
yah not true at all... not to mention the 460 is faster at stock, and overclocks like a champ. The 5830 is no competition.
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#17
phanbuey
bout time too... still feels like too little too late. When speaking strictly performance, its hard to say we've come very far from when the 275 was $230 over a year ago and now we are paying the same amount for a card that is essentially the same speed.

seems like moore's law got kicked in the nuts pretty bad this time around.
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#18
evillman
Don't forget to add overclockability to the count.
GTX 460 uses less power, and have CUDA and PhysX if you care.
And if you can go multi-gpu setup, 2 of 1GB version overclocked is just as good as 5970 but for 240 bucks less.
Performance/watt wise:
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#19
xaira
the 5830 is pointless to me, they cut too many ROPS, it should have 24
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#20
dir_d
time for ati to bring out a new top card and lower the prices on all the rest. if they do this it will kill the competition. Sell the 5850 for the orginal MSRP of $250 and the 5870 at $325.
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#21
mdsx1950
Finally ATi is taking some action. If they are gonna reduce the price of the HD5970, they better announce it atleast a month in advance so i can sell my cards off for a good price :p lol
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#22
Benetanegia
dir_d said:
time for ati to bring out a new top card and lower the prices on all the rest. if they do this it will kill the competition. Sell the 5850 for the orginal MSRP of $250 and the 5870 at $325.
Original MSRP is $299 and $399.
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#23
Splave
true winner here (for non dx11) is the HD4890 :) pick up a used 1 for $100 ftw
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#24
Delta6326
i have always owned ATI but i would still get a 460 over this, they need to lower prices more probable $20+
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#25
Tatty_One
Super Moderator
TheOnlyHero said:
I have a small Question . Why the card is 200 $ in US and 200 pounds in UK ?
Ho makes the cost of the products ? why the people in europe have to pay more for the same article ?:eek:
Plenty of HD5830's to be had for a fair bit less than £200 and the 768MB 460 ($200) can be had for arond £155 -160. $200 = £130, then add the additional taxes and duty and you get fairly close, we do pay a premium but often it's our own greedy retailers who seize on the opportunity to hike their profit.

here is a HD 5830 for £135 :D..............

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5020944/art/pixmania/radeon-hd-5830-1-gb-gddr5.html

Now that a good buy, better even than the 460 in terms of value at least.

And £160 for the nice Palit 460 with custom cooling..............

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-000-PL&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1830

Bottom line sadly is.... we pay more taxes in Europe than the USA, both import and VAT etc etc.
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