Tuesday, October 25th 2011
Revised GF110-based GTX 560 Ti On The Way: a GTX 570 In Disguise?
Those on a budget looking to upgrade their graphics cards might do well to wait a little while, NVIDIA is preparing an upgraded GTX 560 Ti. The current model is based on the GF114 GPU which has 384 CUDA cores, 32 TMUs, a 256-bit memory interface and 1GB VRAM. However, the new model discards the GF114 GPU and replaces it with the beefier GF110 GPU that's used on the GTX 570 & GTX 580 cards. As one would expect, this GPU will be cut down compared to its bigger brothers, featuring 448 CUDA cores, 56 TMUs, a 320-bit memory bus and likely 1280MB VRAM. Another improvement comes in the form of two SLI connectors, allowing 3-card setups to be built, but the cost compared to using more powerful cards must of course be considered before such a build is attempted. The new card will be called the "GTX 560 Ti (448 Core)", which follows a similar convention that was used with the GTX 260 when NVIDIA upgraded it to the GTX 260 (216 Core). Given that the memory bus and memory size are now the same as that of the GTX 570, it brings with it the intriguing possibility that such cards may be unlocked to full GTX 570 performance by enterprising enthusiasts who are not afraid of risking their warranty in their unending quest for better performance.
The new card will of course be faster, but will also use a bit more power and is expected to compete with overclocked HD 6950 2GB cards. For those who are not experts in remembering model numbers and specifications separating very similar products and are thus confused by the various models currently on offer, all looking superficially the same of course, this new variant will unfortunately only increase their distress. Hopefully, the older and weaker models will soon disappear, bringing some sanity to the marketplace. As it stands though, there will now be four base models to choose from: GTX 560, GTX 560 Ti, GTX 560 Ti (OEM) and now, GTX 560 Ti (448 Core), so buyers should do their homework and look carefully at product naming and descriptions before putting down their hard-earned money on a GTX 560-based card. This is especially important, as it's expected to look the same as the old version. No word on pricing or release date yet, but one hopes that it would cost about the same as the current GTX 560 Ti, or come down in price shortly after.
Sources:
VR-Zone, TweakTown
42 Comments on Revised GF110-based GTX 560 Ti On The Way: a GTX 570 In Disguise?
Call it a GTX565 or a GTX570SE. There, that wasn't hard, was it?
If you for some obscure reason don't fancy the higher numbers, try GTX560Di (Diamond as opposed to Titanium), GTX560 Ultra or GTX560+, but really even those names suggest that this is a closely related part... which it isn't!
If you like, for a perfectly reasonable retainer, I'll name all your products and sort out the Engrish on your board partners' press releases. Make a TPU account and PM me.
maybe this proof that kepler is around the corner
I'd say if you wanted to upgrade, get a 580 now, or wait for the next gen.
Now the real question will be if they will start re-using the GTX470 PCBs like they've started to do with the GTX570s?
I don't really know what problem you have with the GTX 5xx series, but you've been saying the same thing since it was released. Yes you can OC GTX4xx cards to match their GTX5xx counterparts at stock, but overclock GTX5xx cards and there's simply no contest. Believe me, there's nothing I'd like more than running my GTX460 at 1000+ Mhz, it's just never going to happen. Same thing with GTX470 versus GTX570 and probably this new card will clock slightly better even.
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_560_Twin_Frozr_II_OC/25.html
It's been tough for me to resist getting a new card but I know it will pay off big time.
also, perhaps these are 570's with some bad yields and disabled some parts of the chips to make em profitable, or maybe they are just gettin rid of the old stocks of 570's
GeForce FX 5900XT/5900SE anyone? >_>
GTX 570 SE or GTX 565 Ti would be fine i guess,
GeForce GTFO 560 Ti >_>
pays to do your homework these days say what.
to the writer=good article and well written too,thanx.
The "overhauled" 560 Ti will get crappy binned GF110's, probably with little overclocking capabilities.
But really, we should compare the two cards with the same PCB. The MSI GTX460 Hawk and the MSI GTX560 Twin Frozr II. Same PCB, same cooler, same everything, except the core.
Maximum overclock for the GTX460 Hawk was 940MHz. Maximum overclock of the GTX560 Twin Frozr II was 945MHz. Yeah, I guess the 5MHz would make a difference.:rolleyes:
More interestingly the GTX560 got hotter while achieving this clock speed, and the fans were running faster.:eek: And what does more heat mean? You guessed it, more power consumption.
So the two cards, with the same PCB and cooler, hit almost identical clock speed and the GTX560 actually consumed more power...Read above and you will see. The GTX500 series was overhype because the reviews looked better because they had higher stock clock speeds. But when you really look at it, they are only marginally better at overclocking and power consumption at best.
I'm not sure, but as far as I can tell the Gigabyte SOC's use the same PCB and cooler and the 560 is faster and it clocks significantly better.
www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-460-soc-review/18
www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-gtx-560-ti-soc-review/20
I wouldn't say 100 Mhz is insignificant, PCB and cooling being equal. I guess we could argue forever, you have your opinion and your data and I have my opinion and my data. I still strongly believe that I am right and you are wrong or just simply exagerating a situation of 2 chips being "the same""just a revision".
EDIT: BTW
www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-560-ti-hawk-review/21 - GTX 560 Ti Hawk 1029 Mhz
www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-460-hawk-review/20 - GTX 460 Hawk 952 Mhz
www.hardocp.com/article/2011/04/25/msi_n560gtxti_hawk_video_card_review/8 - 1056 Mhz
Again, I wouldn't say 70-100 Mhz is insignificant on basically the same card. Also in the Guru3d reviews the 460 had a perceived consumption of 206w and the 560 Ti 195w (Gigabyte) and 205w vs 213w respectively (MSI). And that's the Ti with extra of 48 SP. Wherever I look I see a more efficient chip.
And yes, my card does 850 Mhz without touching the voltages and 900 Mhz with some more juice, maybe 950 Mhz if i dare to really push it, but that's about it. 1050 Mhz that so many 560's achieve is really unnattainable.
And IF all the improvements came only from the PCB (which I don't agree with), so what? The new ones are still better and this new GTX560 448SP will probably be better, even if only because the PCB and VRM is better. Mainly due to the PCB being that of the 570, and the chip being a crippled one.