JegergrimCouldn't agree more, but I still think it isn't enough. The fact that the factory workers are litterally suffering for a small profit, just doesn't seem to affect most people I see with iPhone's, when they want one, they want one, and litterally happily pay more than they actually cab afford that specific month, just to have what everyone else has. Personally I don't support any apple product - but for the bigger part of population, they need a better reason for not buying what they want, people suffering half way across the world simply don't affect most people, they struggle 'enough' everyday thinking about what to wear, and how to set the hair today, let alone struggle/"think" about other people's problems, ignorance is bliss, no?.... I would like to lastly say this my subjective point of view...ofcourse I know this isn't how everyone thinks, but the majority just acts that way :banghead:

as an enduser/consumer we are in a position of power. one person boycotting Apple wont be enough. but if this information about how foxxconn treat their staff at the factory to be made more public and a team of reporters and surveyors sent in there to get more information, then im sure more people would be less supportive and willing to buy products from that manufacturer/brand as it only encourages the poor treatment to continue.

How many people do you know that would buy addidas, Rebok or Nike products if they knew that, that $300 pair of football boots/training shoes or that $30-50 T-shirt was made by a group of 5year olds that are barely fed enough to keep rats alive let alone be given basic human rights like an education?

Make more of this information available to the public. show hardcore supporters that wont touch anything if it isnt white or doesnt start with an 'i'. Im sure people would be less forthcoming when it comes to purchasing apple products new or old.

more people that draw a line in the sand the more apple will listen as soon as it starts eating into their quarterly profits.


but youre right, Most people could really care less about how their iphone or ipad is made or the conditions surrounding its manufacture.

Man I hope this doesn't delay the new iPhone. That would suck!

lol at the kiddie comments.

this is foxconn's fault not apple's. there are many other companies apple can get their stuff made by, foxconn provided better margins to apple so they got the deal. simple

and you guys do realise foxconn make the xbox 360 too right?

the irony is that the blind hate for apple on this forum does not change a thing and never will. apple are the worlds most valuable company, tough luck dudes.


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edit- saw a comment that i had to quote "At least half the stuff you own that is not from apple is also made/assembled by foxconn.

I wouldn't be surprised if the computer you're using is not at least partially touched by foxconn."

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TheMailMan78Man I hope this doesn't delay the new iPhone. That would suck!

Haha! Nice.:laugh: I actually stopped for a second to think "wait, what if he's not being sarcastic?"

Is that a sledge hammer with a spike in it? Wow...

treehouselol at the kiddie comments.

this is foxconn's fault not apple's. there are many other companies apple can get their stuff made by, foxconn provided better margins to apple so they got the deal. simple

and you guys do realise foxconn make the xbox 360 too right?

the irony is that the blind hate for apple on this forum does not change a thing and never will. apple are the worlds most valuable company, tough luck dudes.


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edit- saw a comment that i had to quote "At least half the stuff you own that is not from apple is also made/assembled by foxconn.

I wouldn't be surprised if the computer you're using is not at least partially touched by foxconn."

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And you cry /why? You sound like you work for them.. Or you're just super, ultra, mega fanboy..

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D007Is that a sledge hammer with a spike in it? Wow...



And you cry /why? You sound like you work for them.. Or you're just super, ultra, mega fanboy..

"sent from my idc device"

who's crying? just cuz i dont sound like you so that must mean i work for them? sure kiddy. i could not care less what happens to apple, i just like pointing out contradictions in forum trends ;)

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AphexDreamerMaybe they can bring the Jobs here?

They can't. He's dead Jim!!

I don't condone any companies product that uses another companies cheap/cruel labor to make more profit themselves. Or try not to at least.

So that means no apple product or xbox for me. Alternatively the PS3/PC and Droid has been doing the job just fine.

It's nice to think that if no one bought [insert mfgr] products that conditions would change in China, but it would make zero difference.
The Chinese government/corps have been oppressing their people long before these manufacturers came on the scene.
The only thing that would have any effect would be a massive uprising by the people of China.

The problem is that when you have a miltary that has no qualms about killing their own people (who are basically unarmed and dirt poor) it makes it very difficult to get anything going.

There are dissidents who attempt to effect change through reporting things like living conditions and government oppression, but the Chinese government simply does not care what the rest of the world thinks or they would have changed long ago.

This is why so many Americans fight so hard to keep our 2nd Amendment rights.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on ....

KreijIt's nice to think that if no one bought [insert mfgr] products that conditions would change in China, but it would make zero difference.
The Chinese government/corps have been oppressing their people long before these manufacturers came on the scene.
The only thing that would have any effect would be a massive uprising by the people of China.

The problem is that when you have a miltary that has no qualms about killing their own people (who are basically unarmed and dirt poor) it makes it very difficult to get anything going.

There are dissidents who attempt to effect change through reporting things like living conditions and government oppression, but the Chinese government simply does not care what the rest of the world thinks or they would have changed long ago.

This is why so many Americans fight so hard to keep our 2nd Amendment rights.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on ....

completely agree, and now with china becoming more powerful with each passing year and america becoming weaker, they have even less of a reason to care these days

treehousewho's crying? just cuz i dont sound like you so that must mean i work for them? sure kiddy. i could not care less what happens to apple, i just like pointing out contradictions in forum trends ;)

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So you're a troll..
Congratulations
:toast:

D007So you're a troll..
Congratulations
:toast:

if pointing out contradictions in forum trends makes me a troll then yes, yes i am a troll :toast:

apple and foxconn and most importantly the chinese government, are at fault, they need to protest(which is something you don't wanna do in china) more but the problem is that the chinese government does NOT side with its citizens, they side with the corporations 99% of the time because thats whats profitable to the country, america does this also but nowhere even close to the way the chinese do it.

If you think apples not a fault then you need to wake up and take those apples out of your soul.

and foxconn has been doing this for a LONG time, its just that since its apple this time pushing them everyone wants to look and go like oh looky looky and its sad that its like that, apple is pushing them, which makes the problem a little worst but this has been happening for a long time at foxconns facilities.

KreijIt's nice to think that if no one bought [insert mfgr] products that conditions would change in China, but it would make zero difference.
The Chinese government/corps have been oppressing their people long before these manufacturers came on the scene.
The only thing that would have any effect would be a massive uprising by the people of China.

The problem is that when you have a miltary that has no qualms about killing their own people (who are basically unarmed and dirt poor) it makes it very difficult to get anything going.

There are dissidents who attempt to effect change through reporting things like living conditions and government oppression, but the Chinese government simply does not care what the rest of the world thinks or they would have changed long ago.

This is why so many Americans fight so hard to keep our 2nd Amendment rights.

Just my 2 cents. Carry on ....

China is a prime example of how big government is evil and we are on a highway to the same lifestyle. However I am enjoying the cycle of mans short term memory.

KainXSapple is pushing them, which makes the problem a little worst but this has been happening for a long time at foxconns facilities.

i dont see how its apple's fault that foxconn are saying 'yes'??

assuming that apple are actually pushing them in the first place

last couple mobo's (Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte) I installed had all written "foxconn" on serveral parts, so I feel equally guilty and I don't have Apples (for other reasons than Foxconn).

Sure it is not always a free freemarket, but finally to sign you need two parties. It is like drug dealers or whorehouses.... client and seller are both taking part in criminality. And that is what capitalism has turned into, a dozed pleasure addiction infestation... and we don't know for exactly what! Now the religions can come back from the basement to give people a cheap explanation!
Oh, era of reason, what have you become!

Ok, ok, I'll lay the pipe down... :)

erixxlast couple mobo's (Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte) I installed had all written "foxconn" on serveral parts, so I feel equally guilty and I don't have Apples (for other reasons than Foxconn).

Sure it is not always a free freemarket, but finally to sign you need two parties. It is like drug dealers or whorehouses.... client and seller are both taking part in criminality. And that is what capitalism has turned into, a dozed pleasure addiction infestation... and we don't know for exactly what! Now the religions can come back from the basement to give people a cheap explanation!
Oh, era of reason, what have you become!

Ok, ok, I'll lay the pipe down... :)

Honestly most religions have been preaching "I told ya so" for years now. Its the "era of reason" that has everyone "living for today" and not giving a crap about their fellow man. I personally think we are in an intellectual dark age and I have to look no further then twitter, facebook or even 4chan for proof.

I love how so many people are bashing Apple due to this when everyone here most likely owns something that is made by Foxconn. Hypocrites.

erockerI love how so many people are bashing Apple due to this when everyone here most likely owns something that is made by Foxconn. Hypocrites.

I'm loving it. Sheeple as usual.

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erockerI love how so many people are bashing Apple due to this when everyone here most likely owns something that is made by Foxconn. Hypocrites.

Yes, all Chinese products are made with evil but Not all facilities are as bad as the Foxconn/Apple facility....

They let the vendor choose the working conditions and whatnot and soulless Apple takes it to extremes...

BTW except what I have no choice on all my Electronics are made in Taiwan/Korea/Japan

jmcslobYes, all Chinese products are made with evil but Not all facilities are as bad as the Foxconn/Apple facility....

They let the vendor choose the working conditions and whatnot and soulless Apple takes it to extremes...

BTW except what I have no choice on all my Electronics are made in Taiwan/Korea/Japan

Have you ever been to a textile factory in Asia? Foxconn looks like a Utopia compared to those places yet I see no one turning down 5$ dollar shirts from Walmart. I once saw a man LIVING under one of the presses in Pakistan.

TheMailMan78Have you ever been to a textile factory in Asia? Foxconn looks like a Utopia compared to those places yet I see no one turning down 5$ dollar shirts from Walmart.

No I haven't but I personally refuse to shop at Walmart...
I also don't buy clothes made in China or shoes....
My clothes are made in the USA, Dominican Republic, Mexico and El Salvador....

I do my best to support the Local economy and our South American food trading partners...

Oh and I'm 100% against Steel from Pakistan....wont even haul it.

I'm proud (and glad) to be an American citizen?

This isn't Apple's problem, it's Foxconn's, and you know that if they can't deliver, Apple will just sell their business to the next lowest bidder. I feel bad for a lot of the working conditions in China, but there isn't much I can do about it and the more you hear about things like this the more I can confidently say that the Chinese people are going to find a way to fix this themselves. I would just hate to see what a modern day civil war in China would do. :twitch:

Also keep in mind that some people don't have the money or the time to be able to always support local business and to exclusively ignore products made in China and sometimes it's just unavoidable.

jmcslobYes, all Chinese products are made with evil but Not all facilities are as bad as the Foxconn/Apple facility....

FreedomEclipseIts called.... 'making a profit'

though directors/bosses/managers of Foxconn are equally as guilty for not negotiating with Apple for more money so staff can be better paid and have better working conditions instead of being treated like stray dogs who have just swam half a mile up a sewer pipe full of runny human excrement

though apple would probably use it as a reason to increase prices. Im sure if the rest of the world knew the kind of conditions the factory workers have to live and work through, they'd think twice about buying another apple product.

The issue is bigger than Foxconn and Apple. It isn't just about profit either. The issue is a political one. It's China's government, China has very few strong laws that enforce basic rights for employees regarding pay and working conditions.

You realise that China's Government has made it illegal to protest. So even if employees form a union or lobby for more pay they will be arrested and might even face the death penalty.

So yes, Apple and Foxconn want profit, but ultimately the buck stops with China's corrupt Government for not putting in place basic legislation and enforcing it.