cdawallHence why I have not bothered to buy anything that wasn't Phenom II based. I think everyone should remember the huge performance jump from Phenom I to Phenom II.



When you use the correct programs to render BD does quite well. Weird how an Intel based rendering program favors well Intel. There is a reason AMD added certain things to its technology and it wasn't to continue using Intel styled shit.


Now personally I don't understand why everyone is against AMD improving products and releasing new chips. You do understand that if it was an Intel only market we would not see improvements like we do now, prices would skyrocket etc...Just remember on release the Athlon X2 4200+ was $537 Intel was the same pricing. I am all for a "crappy" Piledriver chip for $200. Intel can keep its $500+ chips.

AMD's Improving products???
You know why bulldozer sucks so hard? Because they decided to go cheap and they were using lots of automation tools, synthesis tools, automatic place and route tools, etc which resulted somewhere about 25% slower and 25% less efficient. Now if AMD still has that cheap style mindset, don't expect much from them.

AvonXAMD's Improving products???
You know why bulldozer sucks so hard? Because they decided to go cheap and they were using lots of automation tools, synthesis tools, automatic place and route tools, etc which resulted somewhere about 25% slower and 25% less efficient. Now if AMD still has that cheap style mindset, don't expect much from them.

From what information I have read, Piledriver is refined from Bulldozer meaning "hand engineered" like a good CPU should be. That being said I'm not expecting any miracles, just a chip that is a bit more competitive with the competition. I'm expecting something similar from Phenom I to Phenom II.

techtardAlso, it doesn't matter how improved Piledriver may be if the Intel compiler still forces all non genuine-intel CPUs to run non-optimal codepaths.

This.

(I personally see no reason to use that intel compiler for anything whatsoever. *shrug* why does it even exist, anyway? :wtf:)

cdawallWhen you use the correct programs to render BD does quite well. Weird how an Intel based rendering program favors well Intel. There is a reason AMD added certain things to its technology and it wasn't to continue using Intel styled shit.

They say this in the conclusion:

On the other side of the coin, it is clear that some of the excellent features of the new Opteron are not leveraged by the current software base.

So it is what it always is, needs and moneys.

FrickOn the other side of the coin, it is clear that some of the excellent features of the new Opteron are not leveraged by the current software base.

Meh... Our cars have some excellent features and performance, unfortunately there are very few roads our car can actually drive on.

I don't like that excuse.

erockerFrom what information I have read, Piledriver is refined from Bulldozer meaning "hand engineered" like a good CPU should be. That being said I'm not expecting any miracles, just a chip that is a bit more competitive with the competition. I'm expecting something similar from Phenom I to Phenom II.

That was a welcome improvement. I went from Phenom I to II, it was a pleasant surprise.
Better performance, and higher overclocking too. Plus no more TLB error bug.

If they can achieve that, it will be a solid chip. There's no need for them to have the same performance as Ivy or even Sandybridge, though it would be nice.

Pretty nice for AMD to clock their CPUs at and over 4.0ghz at stock.

erockerFrom what information I have read, Piledriver is refined from Bulldozer meaning "hand engineered" like a good CPU should be. That being said I'm not expecting any miracles, just a chip that is a bit more competitive with the competition. I'm expecting something similar from Phenom I to Phenom II.

That should work out fine. FX suits my needs now so a PI to PII bump would be ideal.

They shouldn't even call it Piledriver... FX II would be an ideal name :)

Got a couple of sockets waiting so bring em on! :toast:

erockerFrom what information I have read, Piledriver is refined from Bulldozer meaning "hand engineered" like a good CPU should be. That being said I'm not expecting any miracles, just a chip that is a bit more competitive with the competition. I'm expecting something similar from Phenom I to Phenom II.

Hmmm.


So, would you then say, that current FM1 APUs, that use Phenom II cores + IGP with almsot no cache, compared to the next-gen FM2 APU with PileDriver cores and IGP, would correctly relate what AMD intended with Bulldozer?



Because, you know, I've bad PD-based APU for over a month now, right? And I have no NDA either?



Do you think we should post a review? APU, vs APU? Just screw launch dates, get the info out now?


OH yeah, my chip:




Oh, and so that socket change, from FM1 to FM2, is kinda like the Phenom to FX AM3 to AM3+ or 890FX to 990FX change? A thing about better power delivery?


I mean, I know nothing, just got a chip here, and I kinda like to speculate myself....what is it really, and how fast is it?




I DO NOT KNOW!!! :p

cadavecaHmmm.


So, would you then say, that current FM1 APUs, that use Phenom II cores + IGP with almsot no cache, compared to the next-gen FM2 APU with PileDriver cores and IGP, would correctly relate what AMD intended with Bulldozer?



Because, you know, I've bad PD-based APU for over a month now, right? And I have no NDA either?



Do you think we should post a review? APU, vs APU? Just screw launch dates, get the info out now?


OH yeah, my chip:

img.techpowerup.org/120727/008995.jpg


Oh, and so that socket change, from FM1 to FM2, is kinda like the Phenom to FX AM3 to AM3+ or 890FX to 990FX change? A thing about better power delivery?


I mean, I know nothing, just got a chip here, and I kinda like to speculate myself....what is it really, and how fast is it?




I DO NOT KNOW!!! :p

Nice photoshopping. LoL

erockerMeh... Our cars have some excellent features and performance, unfortunately there are very few roads our car can actually drive on.

I don't like that excuse.

which is the point. different scenarios, different resources, different applications. Its why we have to research beforw buying.

AvonXNice photoshopping. LoL

MSPaint, actually. :p


:roll:

I would like a nice performance increase please!

tacosRcoolI would like a nice performance increase please!

Wouldnt we all

eidairaman1Wouldnt we all

Intel fanboys wouldn't =]

VinskaIntel fanboys wouldn't =]

I feel such comments are almost like racism. Anti-Intel Racism.




:shadedshu

cadavecaI feel such comments are almost like racism. Anti-Intel Racism.




:shadedshu

theres more Racism towards AMD here honestly.

OberonSo, can anyone explain the presence of APU-specific features (AVC, "dual-graphics" [distinct from CF for AMD], eyefinity, etc.) for the FX CPUs that don't have a GPU on-board? Smells fishy to me.

This.

erockerFrom what information I have read, Piledriver is refined from Bulldozer meaning "hand engineered" like a good CPU should be. That being said I'm not expecting any miracles, just a chip that is a bit more competitive with the competition. I'm expecting something similar from Phenom I to Phenom II.

You read my mind :rolleyes:

xorbeThis.

Re-Read the Chart, in Post Number 1 :slap:

well... sitting on a PII x4 955 @ 4.0Ghz with a 990FX MoBo. the 8350 should be an upgrade... i never expect the first generation of a brand new design to go "as intended" but now they have had a year to look at it and IMPROVE what exists. I DO expect PD to be an upgrade because of this fact...

need this upgrade soooon

AMD should aim these at the Celeron, Pentium and i3. The FX 4xxx could compare favorable to the SB Celerons, the 6xxx compares favorably to the SB Pentiums and the FX 8xxx compares to the i3. AMD's big issue is pricing...because despite the high possibility that the 8350 will likely Game slower than an IB based i3, AMD will launch this as a $300+ processor. First they have to get away from using "cores" they are not full cores. If AMD launched the FX series in respect to a Quad-Module and priced them like their old dual cores reviewers would have been much kinder and AMD would have looked better when considering the 8150 is really an upgrade from the 965 and NOT the x6 series.

LionheartYou read my mind :rolleyes:

Wait until the benchmarks. Remember what happened with bulldozer?
I was one of those who was clever enough to wait until it was benched.
Too much reading minds and wild guesses is useless don't you think?
Damn my 1090T smokes these bulldozers. :roll:

AvonXWait until the benchmarks. Remember what happened with bulldozer?
I was one of those who was clever enough to wait until it was benched.
Too much reading minds and wild guesses is useless don't you think?
Damn my 1090T smokes these bulldozers. :roll:

its already been proven with Charts, a FX 41** is no where near equivalent to a X4 9**

eidairaman1you really dont need a better Phenom II, if You can get the 965 BE to 3.7 GHz or higher youre pretty much golden already.

This is true, and if these new CPU's dont cut it either than that's what ill be doing and leaving it for many many yrs to come.

I cant be beeped to spend much more money on computer stuff these days, gotta focus on fixing up my lawn and house now, yes im getting old.