Wednesday, January 21st 2015

Windows 10 to be Free Upgrade for Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 Users

In what could be a fundamental shift in how Microsoft monetizes its flagship product, the Windows operating system, the company decided to offer its upcoming Windows 10 as a free upgrade for existing users of Windows 8.1 and Windows 7. This offer will be applicable only for the first year following Windows 10 launch (after which, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 users will have to pay to upgrade to Windows 10). Windows 10 will see the return of the Start Menu, a productive Desktop environment, and cutting-edge new API features such as DirectX 12.
Source: The Verge
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116 Comments on Windows 10 to be Free Upgrade for Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 Users

#51
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RealNeil
I'm using Win-10 Preview on a i5-4670K System. I like the way it works, it's real fast booting and it games well. Everything on the OS works without issues.

I'll probably upgrade some of my systems right away. I'll hang on to my Win-7 software in case there is a hang-up with Win-10 in the future.
You do know Microsoft is keylogging everything you press?
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#52
nexus_a
Hood
I'm trying it right now, and it looks and feels just like 8.1 (as far as I can tell). So the start button now opens a split-personality start menu, with Metro and Desktop sides - no help, I greatly prefer the full "old style" start menu offered by Classic Shell, which I can install and customize in about 30 seconds, and avoid the Metro interface altogether.

Making it free may be a brilliant move; all the anti-trust bullshit will disappear, and the money will be made by selling lots of $1.99 and $2.99 "Apps" and "games" to idiots who are too stupid or lazy to find the same for free...they're hoping to be just like Apple.
Everyone knows freemium is the best way to make money. Freemium>>>pay to use
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#54
Super XP
I'll buy a copy of Windows 10 64-Bit only if it's not like the crap Windows 8 fiasco.
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#55
TRWOV
Uplink10
You do know Microsoft is keylogging everything you press?
Says it right on the disclaimer notes so yes. I don't care, it's just a gaming rig.
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#56
HammerON
The Watchful Moderator
btarunr
I thought I made it idiot-proof by adding that sidenote in the brackets. I was wrong.

-> If you upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1/7 within the first year of Windows 10's launch, you can have it for free till the Sun runs out of hydrogen. You get an upgrade key, and you can use that even if you need to reinstall things 3 years later.

-> If you're trying to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1/7 after 1 year following Windows 10 launch, you pay for the upgrade.
Try as you can, there will still be those that cannot comprehend what others do:)

I think this is great news :toast:
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#57
mroofie
MxPhenom 216
that should be implied...
btarunr
I thought I made it idiot-proof by adding that sidenote in the brackets. I was wrong.

-> If you upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1/7 within the first year of Windows 10's launch, you can have it for free till the Sun runs out of hydrogen. You get an upgrade key, and you can use that even if you need to reinstall things 3 years later.

-> If you're trying to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1/7 after 1 year following Windows 10 launch, you pay for the upgrade.
Hmm nice attack there :0
But I will wait for more credible info seeing its Microsoft
Thanks :)
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#58
buggalugs
wow, bold move by Microsoft. Whats there to complain about??
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#59
TRWOV
mroofie
Hmm nice attack there :0
But I will wait for more credible info seeing its Microsoft
Thanks :)
:confused: Microsoft themselves announced it, what could be more credible than that? :confused:
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#60
Dark Revenger
Windows makes money from royalties, OEMs and enterprise licenses. Microsoft doesn't care of the occasional user who bought a Win7 license, as long as consumers buy Windows-powered devices. And they just presented a wide array of them: it is now a complete Windows environment. It is convenient and easy to have Windows devices.

It is going to work.
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#61
P4-630
Ok what happens if I install Windows 10 on my old Windows 7 laptop and after a year I need to do a factory restore?
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#62
64K
P4-630
Ok what happens if I install Windows 10 on my old Windows 7 laptop and after a year I need to do a factory restore?
btarunr
I thought I made it idiot-proof by adding that sidenote in the brackets. I was wrong.

-> If you upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1/7 within the first year of Windows 10's launch, you can have it for free till the Sun runs out of hydrogen. You get an upgrade key, and you can use that even if you need to reinstall things 3 years later.

-> If you're trying to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 8.1/7 after 1 year following Windows 10 launch, you pay for the upgrade.
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#63
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
thebluebumblebee
Not sure I like that.
RE: the support forever for the length of the life of that device: That seems to support what I've seen as rumor that Windows 10 will be the last edition of Windows. Which means, everything after that will be as upgrades of that version, like 8.1 was to 8. That's how I see it.

Kind of a catch-22 fo me. I waited till December last year to ditch W7 on my main rig and go 8.1. I've got it like I want it, and spent a great deal of time reinstalling games. My other concern, which only user reports of the RTM version can allude to, is support for older games. I've got games all the way back to 2001 on my PC that all play on 8.1 (I've found 8.1 to be the most retro-friendly game-player OS Microsoft has ever released), and would hate to lose that.

I may wait till day 364 to get W10. Sure, I would love Direct X 12, but let's be honest, how many years before we have even a handful of DirectX 12 games?
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#64
Ahhzz
rtwjunkie
RE: the support forever for the length of the life of that device: That seems to support what I've seen as rumor that Windows 10 will be the last edition of Windows. Which means, everything after that will be as upgrades of that version, like 8.1 was to 8. That's how I see it.

Kind of a catch-22 fo me. I waited till December last year to ditch W7 on my main rig and go 8.1. I've got it like I want it, and spent a great deal of time reinstalling games. My other concern, which only user reports of the RTM version can allude to, is support for older games. I've got games all the way back to 2001 on my PC that all play on 8.1 (I've found 8.1 to be the most retro-friendly game-player OS Microsoft has ever released), and would hate to lose that.

I may wait till day 364 to get W10. Sure, I would love Direct X 12, but let's be honest, how many years before we have even a handful of DirectX 12 games?
^^ this. Minus the Win8 stuff :) I'll probably get another hard drive, image my existing install to it, and boot to Win10 when I want to see what works or not, and stick with 7 for a while. But, free OS is free OS. Hell, I think I've got a key for 8 somewhere...maybe in that trash can under my desk.....
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#65
nickbaldwin86
If you think about it this is industry normal.

Apple gives away each OS upgrade.

Why can't Microsoft? well they do now.

Not very many people "buy" Windows... they get it with a machine or OEM

Also a HUGE factor to this is SUPPORT, they keep saying that they don't want to support legacy software (ie Windows XP, Vista and soon 7). So by them giving away Windows 10 they are getting you on the latest and greatest and you can spend money in the store or many of the other ways you can give them money... buying the OS is chump change from a end consumer.
Microsoft would love if everyone went to Windows 10... you know how many millions they could save on support alone? start counting now, you will not get there by release date.
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#68
nickbaldwin86
Uplink10
"Intel Skylake Removes Support for USB based Windows 7 Installation" - seems like people will have no choice but to switch to Windows 10 or 8

Source: http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/

Ahhzz
Sure, if they want to use the Skylake chips. This has been discussed and recussed in another thread.
If you are going to run 10 year old software then you can run 5 year old hardware... not going to matter.

If you are building a Skylake machine with DDR4 and the latest hardware and NOT running Windows 10 you are a FOOL! Windows 7 is not meant to run DDR4.
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#69
TRWOV
Uplink10
"Intel Skylake Removes Support for USB based Windows 7 Installation" - seems like people will have no choice but to switch to Windows 10 or 8

Source: http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-remove-support-usb-based-windows-7-installation-platform-specs/

Can't you use a DVD to install? I still have an internal DVD drive around specifically for situations like this. If you don't want to put down the $15 they cost nowadays you can always borrow one.

Also, that title is incendiary, Intel isn't removing support for "USB based Windows 7 installation", it's removing the EHCI stack from its processors starting with Skylake. This has the collateral of making XP/Vista/7 USB 2.0 bootable drives useless if you choose to use a Skylake or later processor.

Heck, Intel might not even provide a working WDM 1.1 driver for Skylake's chipset, they didn't provide Vista/7 drivers for 865/875 chipsets, MS had to step in and provide a working driver for those. Maybe MS could provide one but since it would be pretty hard to install W7 on a >Skylake system in the first place they might choose not to.



Back on topic, I can't understand why is anyone upset over MS giving away W10 for a year. What's not to like? o_O
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#70
Uplink10
@TRWOV
Should have wrote "...USB <2.0 based Windows 7 Installation" but I quoted article name which is a little misleding.

I do not know how will you be able to convert your Windows 7 license to Windows 10 without first installing W7 and then upgrading to windows 10.
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#71
Static~Charge
nickbaldwin86
If you think about it this is industry normal.

Apple gives away each OS upgrade.
Apple also sells the only authorized computers to run OS X; they have factored in the cost of the software. Microsoft doesn't sell PCs, let alone have a monopoly on them.
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#72
Static~Charge
The Register has an interesting take on the one-year free upgrade to Windows 10:

"Windows 7 is now six years old with its end-of-support date penciled in for 2020. If Windows 10 also doesn't hit, and assuming Microsoft takes another two years to release the next version of Windows -- its typical roadmap -- then it'll be 2017 before the world's largest software company gets another crack at trying to persuade potential customers it's in their interests to upgrade."
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#73
Uplink10
Static~Charge
Apple also sells the only authorized computers to run OS X; they have factored in the cost of the software. Microsoft doesn't sell PCs, let alone have a monopoly on them.
Apple is currently too highly valued (646.97B) and stocks are gonna lose a lot of value and that always happens when stock has unrealistic price. Apple products are also too expensive (some people complain they do not have any money but they have money for Apple computers and thunderbolt HDDs, I remember reading about somene who lived through college in a car but he bought an Apple notebook - an irony). Apple is milking customers too much in comparison with other companies.
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#74
RealNeil
Uplink10
You do know Microsoft is keylogging everything you press?
Yes, but I'm no Secret Agent and I do my online shopping and banking on just one PC. Not this one.
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#75
nickbaldwin86
Static~Charge
Apple also sells the only authorized computers to run OS X; they have factored in the cost of the software. Microsoft doesn't sell PCs, let alone have a monopoly on them.
So you have never heard of a Microsoft Surface/pro/pro2/pro3 sure it isn't the only authorized but blah blah blah if you don't think Microsoft isn't making enough money off of OEMs to give away Win10 to the few that bought win7/8/8.1

I know it isn't Apples to Apple <(see what I did there) but it is a easy comparison that makes sense.
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