Sunday, May 8th 2016

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Does Away with D-Sub (VGA) Support

NVIDIA appears to have done away with support for the legacy D-Sub (VGA) analog connector, with its latest GeForce GTX 1080 graphics card. The card's DVI connector does not have wiring for analog signals. Retail cards won't include DVI to D-Sub dongles, even aftermarket dongles won't work. What you get instead on the card, are one dual-link DVI-D, an HDMI 2.0b, and three DisplayPort 1.4 connectors. NVIDIA's rival AMD did away with D-Sub support on its high-end graphics cards way back in 2013, with the Radeon R9 290 series.
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81 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Does Away with D-Sub (VGA) Support

#1
newtekie1
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If they are still including a DVI port, I don't see the point in not making it a DVI-I. But I guess Displayport -> VGA adapters have gotten cheap enough if you still need VGA.
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#2
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
If you need vga and have a 1080 you need to rethink what monitor you are using.
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#3
newtekie1
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cdawall, post: 3455222, member: 28601"
If you need vga and have a 1080 you need to rethink what monitor you are using.
I think most people that make statements like this assume the VGA monitor is the primary monitor. My 3rd monitor is VGA only, but still a good monitor.
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#4
FordGT90Concept
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newtekie1, post: 3455218, member: 20670"
If they are still including a DVI port, I don't see the point in not making it a DVI-I. But I guess Displayport -> VGA adapters have gotten cheap enough if you still need VGA.
As someone that has used a DisplayPort to VGA adapter, they are not good. DisplayPort to anything (HDMI/DVI) that isn't DisplayPort is not good.

This doesn't surprise me that they axed analog. AMD did a long time ago.
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#5
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
newtekie1, post: 3455224, member: 20670"
I think most people that make statements like this assume the VGA monitor is the primary monitor. My 3rd monitor is VGA only, but still a good monitor.
Use the on board Intel.
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#6
newtekie1
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FordGT90Concept, post: 3455226, member: 60463"
As someone that has used a DisplayPort to VGA adapter, they are not good. DisplayPort to anything (HDMI/DVI) that isn't DisplayPort is not good.

This doesn't surprise me that they axed analog. AMD did a long time ago.
Never tried it with VGA, but my DP to HDMI adapter seems to work fine. But that is digital to digital, it might be a whole lot worse going from digital to analog.

I guess even monitors with DVI/HDMI aren't that expensive anymore, under $100, so I could just buy a new secondary monitor. But I think that's wasteful just because the GPU doesn't support it.

cdawall, post: 3455227, member: 28601"
Use the on board Intel.
And sacrifice precious system RAM!?!
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#7
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
newtekie1, post: 3455228, member: 20670"
And sacrifice precious system RAM!?!
Sacrifice all of the rams.
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#8
TheLostSwede
FordGT90Concept, post: 3455226, member: 60463"
As someone that has used a DisplayPort to VGA adapter, they are not good. DisplayPort to anything (HDMI/DVI) that isn't DisplayPort is not good.
So you're saying you've tested every adapter on the market? I've never had any problems going mini DP to HDMI. My girlfriend has been using a mini DP to VGA adapter regularly with her work Mac without any problems. It seems like you've been unlucky and got bum adapters. Maybe you should try buying a quality product instead of the cheapest ones on DX...
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#9
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
I have had issues with dozens of the VGA ones. Especially with macs lol
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#10
btarunr
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TheLostSwede, post: 3455235, member: 3382"
So you're saying you've tested every adapter on the market? I've never had any problems going mini DP to HDMI. My girlfriend has been using a mini DP to VGA adapter regularly with her work Mac without any problems. It seems like you've been unlucky and got bum adapters. Maybe you should try buying a quality product instead of the cheapest ones on DX...
The adapter your GF is using could be Thunderbolt-to-VGA (PCIe) rather than DisplayPort-to-VGA?
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#11
Mistral
DisplayPort 1.4...

So it now supports FreeSync monitors?
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#12
GhostRyder
Mistral, post: 3455242, member: 49446"
DisplayPort 1.4...

So it now supports FreeSync monitors?
No, they are still at 1.2 on release and will support in the future. Even then it's an optional tech so it will just support the higher resolutions and not the adaptive sync.

Well it's about time. I get the needs of some but it's getting to the point it was really not necessary. I still would prefer the DVI got deleted as well and make it all one row of DP's and HDMI. I think it would look a lot cleaner.
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#13
GoldenX
I hope it only applies to the high end, else latin america is going to have to convert to digital :slap:
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#14
Caring1
Not everyone can afford a $500 plus monitor to go with the $1,000 plus card.
Some people are stuck with old monitors until they can afford to upgrade.
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#15
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
$65 monitors are dvi. This isn't 2001.
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#16
Caring1
cdawall, post: 3455271, member: 28601"
$65 monitors are dvi. This isn't 2001.
Maybe in America. We basically have to double prices and then add some for import duties.
Any monitor with a decent refresh and size is going to be around $500 and up.
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#17
GoldenX
cdawall, post: 3455271, member: 28601"
$65 monitors are dvi. This isn't 2001.
You have no idea how outdated these countries are.
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#18
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Caring1, post: 3455277, member: 153156"
Maybe in America. We basically have to double prices and then add some for import duties.
Any monitor with a decent refresh and size is going to be around $500 and up.
No decent refresh rate monitor will be vga... I understand those countries don't have good prices but on that note which of them is buying a 1080?
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#19
arbiter
GhostRyder, post: 3455252, member: 149328"
No, they are still at 1.2 on release and will support in the future. Even then it's an optional tech so it will just support the higher resolutions and not the adaptive sync.

Well it's about time. I get the needs of some but it's getting to the point it was really not necessary. I still would prefer the DVI got deleted as well and make it all one row of DP's and HDMI. I think it would look a lot cleaner.
As you pointed at its Optional, which means it can be DP 1.4 and not support that since its not required to be 1.4 certified.
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#20
ZoneDymo
GoldenX, post: 3455278, member: 160319"
You have no idea how outdated these countries are.
I think he is even underestimating how outdated his own country is.
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#21
zithe
Nice! Maybe Walmart will discover DVI cables and start stocking them as their pile of old tech in store now near their monitor aisle instead of stocking VGA cables when none of the systems they sell in store (That I could find) have VGA outputs
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#22
ensabrenoir
....I understand the argument for and against vga.....but seriously anyone who can afford this card should be able to afford the monitor to go with it or be patient enough to save and get both. Some of my builds have taken me months to fully populate. I wasn't gonna peanut butter an jelly it just to get new toys so i piece by pieced it. But to each his own brand of crazy......
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#23
Ubersonic
Sad to hear they are cheaping out on the DVI ports, lots of people use monitors with only VGA input as a second/third screen :(
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#24
Ubersonic
cdawall, post: 3455271, member: 28601"
$65 monitors are dvi. This isn't 2001.
A $65 DVI monitor will be urinated all over by a decent monitor using VGA.

The main difference between DVI/VGA (apart from dual link DVI supporting higher resolutions/refresh than VGA/DVI) is that DVI carries a digital signal whereas VGA carries an analogue signal which is converted to digital by the monitor. This means depending on the quality of the monitor and cable the result can either look terrible or just as good as DVI. This is the reason many people still use high end screens that only have VGA inputs.
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#25
dj-electric
GoldenX, post: 3455278, member: 160319"
You have no idea how outdated these countries are.
People in outdated countries than shouldn't buy a GTX 1080 for their VGA monitor.
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