Tuesday, November 1st 2016

EVGA GTX 1070/1080 Overheating Issues Update - New BIOS Revision To Be Released

After reports of EVGA cards overheating and sometimes becoming non-operational, which we covered right here on TPU, the company has now issued a statement further clarifying the steps it's taking towards solving the issues. Though it was first reported that only the GTX 1070/1080 FTW series of cards were having issues, the company has also extended its efforts towards the GTX 1060 cards, in both 3 GB and 6 GB flavors, which may point to either underlying problems with those cards as well, or simply EVGA extending that bit of extra support to their customers.

While at first it seemed that the company-distributed, free-of-charge thermal pads (which EVGA stressed were optional in nature) would be enough to fix any and all issues, the company is also issuing a BIOS revision in a few days, which "adjusts the fan speed curve" to "ensure sufficient cooling of all components across all operating temperatures".
While this is sure to mar the company's sterling reputation, and users will probably have to deal with higher operating noise due to the cards' revised fan profiles with the upcoming BIOS update, the company must still be commended for tackling the issues with brevity and decisiveness.

Read the company's statement regarding these issues below:

"Recently, it was reported from several sources, that the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW PWM and memory temperature is running warmer than expected during Furmark (an extreme stress utility). EVGA has investigated these reports and after extensive testing, below are our findings:
  • On ACX 3.0, EVGA focused on GPU temperature and the lowest acoustic levels possible. Running Furmark, the GPU is around 70C +/- and the fan speed is running approximately 30% duty cycle or lower.
  • However, during recent testing, the thermal temperature of the PWM and memory, in extreme circumstances, was marginally within spec and needed to be addressed.
Conclusion: EVGA offers full warranty support on its products, with cross-ship RMA (available in the Continental United States, Hawaii, Alaska, Canada, EU, UK, Norway, and Switzerland. EVGA offers Standard RMA replacement options in the Middle East, Africa, India or outside of the before mentioned supported areas), and stands behind its products and commitment to our customers.

To resolve this, EVGA will be offering a VBIOS update, which adjusts the fan-speed curve to ensure sufficient cooling of all components across all operating temperatures. This VBIOS will be released in the next few days and users can download it and update their cards directly. This update resolves the potential thermal issues that have been reported, and ensures the card maintains safe operating temperatures.

For those users who want additional cooling beyond the VBIOS update, EVGA has optional thermal pads available. This update is not required, however; EVGA will make it available free of charge to any customer who is interested. To request the thermal pad kit, please visit www.evga.com/thermalmod.

Any customer who is not comfortable performing the recommended VBIOS update, may request a warranty cross-shipment to exchange the product to EVGA for an updated replacement.

All graphics cards shipped from EVGA after 11/1/2016 will have the VBIOS update applied."

The company also presented a FAQ regarding these issues, as well as the graphics card models involved, so make sure to check the images below for more clarification.
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78 Comments on EVGA GTX 1070/1080 Overheating Issues Update - New BIOS Revision To Be Released

#51
Legacy-ZA
NellyYep, I don't really care how you want to swing it around, I'm not prepared to risk damaging the card. No one can even read the temps of the VRMs like you can with AMD cards, no reading comes up in GPU-Z to monitor it with Nvidia cards.

I guess I could just use it anyway, if it blows then covered by EVGA warranty.

EVGA have screwed up on this one, whichever way you look at it, just like they did with the 970 SC cards, by using previous generation coolers to save money on designing new ones. Months later EVGA released new 970 cards ended with new designed coolers - SSC and FTW+ versions.

The SC version is on there, VRMs reach 96°C and all it's running is 3DMark Firestrike.
I know the SC is on there and yes, I know about the SC hot spot. The FTW however has a custom PCB and one would have thought that cooler would have been designed for it; considering you pay more for the better cooling solution and power delivery... Also, the SC has 5 power phases and the FTW having 12, meaning, that too would have helped lowering temperature at the VRM area. My guess is; that maybe that is why they figured they don't need to add thermal pads, I guess EVGA was wrong on that one.
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#52
Solidstate89
stigletThe founders edition doesn't overheat or thermal throttle.
So it doesn't rapidly pull clock speeds when approaching 83C?

Fascinating.
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#53
ssdpro
Just for reference, the guy moaning about car cooling and inability to maintain temp has no idea what he is talking about. Nor does this have anything to do with EVGA using junk aftermarket coolers.
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#54
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ssdproJust for reference, the guy moaning about car cooling and inability to maintain temp has no idea what he is talking about. Nor does this have anything to do with EVGA using junk aftermarket coolers.
Would you like to make a bet? Like right now I am at a loss for the level of stupid I am reading. It is almost as if none of you have ever raced on a track. Ever.
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#55
Air
Damn I was about to pull the trigger on a GTX 1070 SC.... dont know what to do now. Will TPU reevaluate the card with the new bios? The noise levels and cooling performance were amazing.... what a shame.
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#56
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
AirDamn I was about to pull the trigger on a GTX 1070 SC.... dont know what to do now. Will TPU reevaluate the card with the new bios? The noise levels and cooling performance were amazing.... what a shame.
The thermal pad without the new BIOS would put you in the "safe" zone as well as the VRM's being better cooled.
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#57
jormungand
ixiPeople have learned their lesson. Don't buy crap brand GPU easy as that. EVGA can now go down where they were before this useless hype train.

Graps popcorn.
wanna know if you ever owned a EVGA card??? i have owned x2 gtx 570 in sli , a 670, 970 SSC and now the FTW 1070 and till now no issues at all. The hype train like you said is just in your little knowledge of what evga is.
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#58
EarthDog
AirDamn I was about to pull the trigger on a GTX 1070 SC.... dont know what to do now. Will TPU reevaluate the card with the new bios? The noise levels and cooling performance were amazing.... what a shame.
I can't imagine it to be much different, honestly. Sure it will be a little louder, but, it doesn't take much to keep these things cool... just a bit more airflow and it should be fine... thermal pads would obviously make it better, and likely prudent in a SFF case, particularly if overclocking the GPU.
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#59
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
EarthDogI can't imagine it to be much different, honestly. Sure it will be a little louder, but, it doesn't take much to keep these things cool... just a bit more airflow and it should be fine... thermal pads would obviously make it better, and likely prudent in a SFF case, particularly if overclocking the GPU.
He really doesn't need the BIOS with the thermal pads.
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#61
stiglet
Solidstate89So it doesn't rapidly pull clock speeds when approaching 83C?

Fascinating.
No, it does not.

Learn the difference between clock speeds and boost speeds.
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#62
ixi
jormungandwanna know if you ever owned a EVGA card??? i have owned x2 gtx 570 in sli , a 670, 970 SSC and now the FTW 1070 and till now no issues at all. The hype train like you said is just in your little knowledge of what evga is.
Go run your GPU for 2/3 hours in furmark ;D.

Yes, I have never owned EVGA and never will spend money on them.

Let's see what Brands have I owned. Asus, MSI, Gigabyte maybe even Sapphire second hand, but can't remember correctly.

And I was using for two years reference MSI HD 6970 ONLY with 40% max fan speed. While GPU temp. where all the time around 90°C no problems in GTA V for gaming sesions like 5/6 hours straight. GTA V, WoW, CS:GO, Arma 3 no problems at all.

And then there comes EVGA with custom everything and struggle is real :D. So yeah. Right now I my self have Gainward Phoenix 1070 testing this brand, so far so good.
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#63
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ixiGo run your GPU for 2/3 hours in furmark ;D.

Yes, I have never owned EVGA and never will spend money on them.

Let's see what Brands have I owned. Asus, MSI, Gigabyte maybe even Sapphire second hand, but can't remember correctly.

And I was using for two years reference MSI HD 6970 ONLY with 40% max fan speed. While GPU temp. where all the time around 90°C no problems in GTA V for gaming sesions like 5/6 hours straight. GTA V, WoW, CS:GO, Arma 3 no problems at all.

And then there comes EVGA with custom everything and struggle is real :D. So yeah. Right now I my self have Gainward Phoenix 1070 testing this brand, so far so good.
Did you just compare a 6970 to the 1070's? I would also be curious what a tear down showed on that Gainward. The less popular brands don't typically get press when they have issues, but the common belief on here is that no manufacturer, but EVGA is bad. GB and MSI make some junk with cheaped out PWM sections left and right just FYI.
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#64
ixi
cdawallDid you just compare a 6970 to the 1070's? I would also be curious what a tear down showed on that Gainward. The less popular brands don't typically get press when they have issues, but the common belief on here is that no manufacturer, but EVGA is bad. GB and MSI make some junk with cheaped out PWM sections left and right just FYI.
I did compare reference PCB, cooler to awesome "EVGA" custom PCB and cooler. So yeah. Reference kicked your EVGA in nutts pretty hard.
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#65
Legacy-ZA
cdawallDid you just compare a 6970 to the 1070's? I would also be curious what a tear down showed on that Gainward. The less popular brands don't typically get press when they have issues, but the common belief on here is that no manufacturer, but EVGA is bad. GB and MSI make some junk with cheaped out PWM sections left and right just FYI.
Yep no manufacturer is flawless and innocent, take this whole MICRON memory debacle on the GTX1070's, the general public didn't even know that the default SAMSUNG memory was replaced by MICRON memory and look how that ended up. I had a GTX1070 GAMING X at first, but since day one I had artifacts with my card, or the card would lock up my machine. I used GPU-Z and saw that my card used Micron instead of Samsung. I did make a post on reddit pondering if the issue was caused because perhaps the chips haD different operating requirements, I guess I was right.

It's the reason I went with the EVGA card after I swapped out my MSi, I got my Samsung memory alrighty, but now this... hehehe
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#66
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
ixiI did compare reference PCB, cooler to awesome "EVGA" custom PCB and cooler. So yeah. Reference kicked your EVGA in nutts pretty hard.
I have a sapphire card. On the note of your argument the 6970 isn't quite in the same league for power consumption in Furmark. . .
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#67
efikkan
This is really disappointing of EVGA. Bumping up the fan speed is not really a solution, since that will make all cards more noisy, even when not running FurMark. Any customers buying these cards after November 1st will get more noisy cards than the ones in reviews. Nevertheless, these cards are defective, and should have been replaced.

I've already built a machine with an EVGA GTX 1060, which has excellent noise levels. But "upgrading" the BIOS with a noisy fan profile to cool the VRMs is out of the question. I was planning to put a GTX 1070 and the upcoming "GTX 1080 Ti" in a couple of machines. The ACX coolers from EVGA has been my top choice, but when they manage to do these major design faults I wouldn't consider them again until they release a redesigned cooler. This is not a minor oversight, it's a major engineering fault and they couldn't have done proper QA on a single card. Amateurs!
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#68
xorbe
Yeah, cranking the fan up is not really an end-user friendly solution. Noise, and more wear and tear on the fan bearing
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#69
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
xorbeYeah, cranking the fan up is not really an end-user friendly solution. Noise, and more wear and tear on the fan bearing
LOL the fan will be fine. They are rated on a lifespan based at max rpm.
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#70
efikkan
Cranking up the fan will make the VRM cooler, but still not properly cooled. I'm more worried about the wear of the VRM than the fan.
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#71
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
efikkanCranking up the fan will make the VRM cooler, but still not properly cooled. I'm more worried about the wear of the VRM than the fan.
It is properly cooled they are rated for this all they needed was a smidgen more airflow. You know like every single videocard sold.
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#72
xorbe
cdawallLOL the fan will be fine. They are rated on a lifespan based at max rpm.
And yet, the fan on my Titan was squeaking after basically idling for 11 months ... I guess that was the lifespan of the fan.
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#73
BiggieShady
Some companies over-engineer the VRM to be able to handle Furmark, some don't.
Some even don't appropriately cool the VRM array :laugh:

Why this is crap ... there are already thermal pads over the VRM as you can see on the picture

... and evga instructs to slap some more ... wait for it ... over the fucking chokes and behind to use the backplate for additional cooling ...

... bad vrm array is bad ... the fact it has 10 phases means nothing if mosfets operate near their rated temps and end up in thermal runaway :shadedshu:

For rock solid VRM look at Palit GTX 1080 GameRock, with 8 power-stage phases rated way over the top ... as it should be :respect:
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#74
tabascosauz
AirDamn I was about to pull the trigger on a GTX 1070 SC.... dont know what to do now. Will TPU reevaluate the card with the new bios? The noise levels and cooling performance were amazing.... what a shame.
The new BIOS offers an improvement in performance and temperatures. Dunno about VRM temps as I don't have a temp probe, but core temps have dropped roughly 10-13 degrees at load. Funnily enough, it feels as though the fans have gotten a little quieter (definitely not louder). All this is actually bringing an improvement in frequencies - previously, core clocks fluctuated a bit and went down slightly after temperatures came up and hit 75-76 degrees; now at 61-63 degrees it has stabilized at just below 2000MHz (a little lower if you don't have an SC card).

Frequency improvement is confirmed by the fact that GTA V 1440p @ ultra settings without MSAA is 100% silky smooth at 60+ fps, and that GPU-Z readings don't look like serrated blades; previously, dense urban areas caused a lot of framerate dips into the 40 fps range. All while the card is as quiet if not quieter than before, and GPU core is more than 10 degrees cooler.

So I'd say you're pretty safe. You're covered by EVGA warranty anyways. It's the warranty that matters to me. The other companies often trade fan quality for overengineered VRMs and when those fans go bad, some of those RMA procedures can be quite the hassle or utterly nonfunctional.

EVGA website says that from November onwards the affected cards will ship with the new BIOS, but I don't know what this means for stock that's already sitting around at retailers.






Some of these cocksure members shitting all over EVGA should probably go ahead and buy an ACX 3.0 1070 and compare the old and new BIOS before considering themselves qualified to talk about it like they own it.

Concerned that the BIOS profile will make your fans louder? Why don't you download the BIOS instead of spouting speculation? You've got the card and it's covered by EVGA's signature warranty.
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#75
T3CHP0W3R
Batou1986Can we stop parroting this nonsense about furmark being the problem here.

No computer component should ever fail simply from being 100% utilized.
Its like saying your car can go up to 100mph but at that speed the brakes fail, but its ok because the speed limit on roads is 75mph so going 100mph is unreasonable.
I disagree. Even a car is not designed to red line for 2 hours straight. Something will inevitably fail. Driving 100mph is an analogy for hardcore gaming which you can do for hours on end. Furmark is like red lining the engine with pedal to the metal.
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