I have my eye on this, but my wallet atm says NO!

What about mobile chips?

ShurikNWhat about mobile chips?

Just put one in your pocket!

That´s bad. 8 core is overkill for most, it was important to release 6 core at least as quick as possible, but we all know the 6 core parts would canibalize the 8 core parts.

I know when I'm buying now.

Going to wait until everything settles down (price, bugs, motherboard BIOS), then choose one from the value oriented Ryzen 5.

Manu_PTThat´s bad. 8 core is overkill for most, it was important to release 6 core at least as quick as possible, but we all know the 6 core parts would canibalize the 8 core parts.

It's not bad. This is the same strategy both intel and nvidia use, and it works wonderfully for them.

TheinsanegamerNIt's not bad. This is the same strategy both intel and nvidia use, and it works wonderfully for them.

Except that Nvidia and Intel didn´t have competition. With a 65 bucks G4560, I think is safe to assume on tight budget builds (aka "console killers") in the next 6 months is all about Intel. Not everyone is willing to pay 350 bucks for a CPU. Intel will have time to drop the prices this way.

I hoped for a full stack release on 2nd march, but at least they wont have stock problem (and therefore inflated prices) when the lower series finally release. Also, look at the slide with the 1600x clocks - they were once rumored as 3.2 - 3.5 GHz :)

Manu_PTExcept that Nvidia and Intel didn´t have competition. With a 65 bucks G4560, I think is safe to assume on tight budget builds (aka "console killers") in the next 6 months is all about Intel. Not everyone is willing to pay 350 bucks for a CPU. Intel will have time to drop the prices this way.

Manu_PTThat´s bad. 8 core is overkill for most, it was important to release 6 core at least as quick as possible, but we all know the 6 core parts would canibalize the 8 core parts.

I don't know what you do with your PC but even my six cores aren't enough many times, and sure the IPC is mediocre on my chip, but still, threads count, and for even double the price I paid for my chip I would take 8 cores and 16 threads in a heartbeat.

I only game, at 144hz, that´s all. 6 core + 6 logical threads more than enough for my needs and I suppose, most of the consumer needs...

ShurikNWhat about mobile chips?

2H this year.

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And there is some crazy stuff like Zen + Vega + HBM2 APU planned too... ^^

Manu_PTI only game, at 144hz, that´s all. 6 core + 6 logical threads more than enough for my needs and I suppose, most of the consumer needs...

"6 cores should be enough for everyone" (c) Bill Gates

On a serious note, 6 core seems to be a new 4 core. Number of things that can put it to good use is quickly growing.

Manu_PTExcept that Nvidia and Intel didn´t have competition. With a 65 bucks G4560, I think is safe to assume on tight budget builds (aka "console killers") in the next 6 months is all about Intel. Not everyone is willing to pay 350 bucks for a CPU. Intel will have time to drop the prices this way.

Well if you're in only for bargain basement prices, possibly with an inflexible budget then yes the G4560 is great, assuming you also don't need/want the better IGP counterparts from AMD.
The current AMD APU are still better than Intel at the low end, also I'd assume the retailers & AMD will start clearing the old stock so one can have them cheap(er) than Intel's lowest SKU.

In other news :D

medi012H this year.

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And there is some crazy stuff like Zen + Vega + HBM2 APU planned too... ^^



"6 cores should be enough for everyone" (c) Bill Gates

On a serious note, 6 core seems to be a new 4 core. Number of things that can put it to good use is quickly growing.

Exceot that when Bill Gates said that about memory we didn´t reach what we did now. Unless you think we are still evolving hardware wise like in the past. When a game fully utilizes 8 threads at 4,8ghz paired with 4000mhz DDR 4 (7700k in disguise).....

Think about it mate, we are going in the direction of 4k @ 144hz. Higher resolution needs better GPU, not CPU. What else you think is gonna happen CPU wise on gaming? you tell me, when all the focus is in providing 4k right now.

Manu_PTExceot that when Bill Gates said that about memory we didn´t reach what we did now. Unless you think we are still evolving hardware wise like in the past. When a game fully utilizes 8 threads at 4,8ghz paired with 4000mhz DDR 4 (7700k in disguise), it is either bad optimized or I hope I´m alive in that time to see it.

Why is proper multithread balancing suddenly bad optimization? I don't get it. Isn't this the future of gaming? I mean, look at the current gen consoles ...

medi012H this year.

PS
And there is some crazy stuff like Zen + Vega + HBM2 APU planned too... ^^

Damn I was really hoping to buy a new full AMD powered laptop before June... I mean 2H could be July and could be November...

ShurikNDamn I was really hoping to buy a new full AMD powered laptop before June... I mean 2H could be July and could be November...

It'll probably be closer to back to school, the time around which Intel also releases their new line up, me thinks.

But... but... where is my 1400X? :(

SteevoI don't know what you do with your PC but even my six cores aren't enough many times, and sure the IPC is mediocre on my chip, but still, threads count, and for even double the price I paid for my chip I would take 8 cores and 16 threads in a heartbeat.

medi012H this year.

PS
And there is some crazy stuff like Zen + Vega + HBM2 APU planned too... ^^



"6 cores should be enough for everyone" (c) Bill Gates

On a serious note, 6 core seems to be a new 4 core. Number of things that can put it to good use is quickly growing.

See how I was right? Ryzen gets raped by Intel on games. 20% to 30% on CPU bound games. Just wanted to go back and quote what I said now that we know the benchmarks. Cheers.

SteevoI don't know what you do with your PC but even my six cores aren't enough many times, and sure the IPC is mediocre on my chip, but still, threads count, and for even double the price I paid for my chip I would take 8 cores and 16 threads in a heartbeat.

I'm with you there, I don't want or need it for gaming, but it's capabilities as a multi core Processor is exactly what I need at that price.

Manu_PTSee how I was right? Ryzen gets raped by Intel on games. 20% to 30% on CPU bound games. Just wanted to go back and quote what I said now that we know the benchmarks. Cheers.

There are 2 things which you seem to not quite get:
1) Intel itself "is getting raped by Intel", if you compare 8 cores to 4 cores
2) There seem to be quite a mess with mainboards. German site reported 4 to 26% higher FPS (17% on average) after BIOS update:

Verglichen mit dem ursprünglichen Bios steigert das neue UEFI die Bildrate in unserem Spiele-Parcours zwischen plus 4 und plus 26 Prozent, im Mittel gar um plus 17 Prozent! Angesichts dieses gewaltigen Leistungszuwachses mussten wir Gewissheit haben, dass unsere Werte korrekt sind, und haben mit den Asus-Boards nachgemessen. Damit erreichen wir einen Hauch mehr Geschwindigkeit in Games als mit der aktualisierten MSI-Platine.


3) CPUs importance for gaming is VASTLY overrated. You don't buy 300$+ CPU to run games at 1080p. And even if you do, you don't really care if it is 83 or 96 frames per second.

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Anti underdog sentiments are pathetic.

medi01There are 2 things which you seem to not quite get:
1) Intel itself "is getting raped by Intel", if you compare 8 cores to 4 cores
2) There seem to be quite a mess with mainboards. German site reported 4 to 26% higher FPS (17% on average) after BIOS update:

Verglichen mit dem ursprünglichen Bios steigert das neue UEFI die Bildrate in unserem Spiele-Parcours zwischen plus 4 und plus 26 Prozent, im Mittel gar um plus 17 Prozent! Angesichts dieses gewaltigen Leistungszuwachses mussten wir Gewissheit haben, dass unsere Werte korrekt sind, und haben mit den Asus-Boards nachgemessen. Damit erreichen wir einen Hauch mehr Geschwindigkeit in Games als mit der aktualisierten MSI-Platine.


3) CPUs importance for gaming is VASTLY overrated. You don't buy 300$+ CPU to run games at 1080p. And even if you do, you don't really care if it is 83 or 96 frames per second.

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Anti underdog sentiments are pathetic.

What if I told you that yes, I do care about 1080p and I do care about 83 or 96 fps. What If I told you that I´m a 180hz gamer and that I like all my multiplayer games to run on 180 to 200 fps for minimum input lag for e-sports, and that only with 7700k I can achieve that. So yes your logic is broken.

Also even at 60fps I´ve seen benchmarks where Ryzen had way lower minimum fps than Intel, and minimum fps is what defines a good experience. So yes I was right from the beggining and I´m not anti underdog. I´m Pro Consumer. I don´t have to defend amd just because they are a lower budget company. That makes 0 sense and enter in fanboyism territory. I care about myself and my needs, not about a company.

Manu_PTWhat If I told you that I´m a 180hz gamer and that I like all my multiplayer games to run on 180 to 200 fps for minimum input lag for e-sports, and that only with 7700k I can achieve that.

It would be hilarious fail at finding niche use to prove your point, as Ryzen runs Overwatch (the most popular refresh rate sensitive e-sport out there) at well beyond 200 fps.

medi01It would be hilarious fail at finding niche use to prove your point, as Ryzen runs Overwatch (the most popular refresh rate sensitive e-sport out there) at well beyond 200 fps.

Overwatch? an i3 6100 3,7ghz runs OW at more than 200fps pal, don´t make me laugh. I´m talking about many other more demanding titles. Talk to an e.sport player and he will tell you how much he wants (or doesn´t) a Ryzen cpu.

Manu_PTAlso even at 60fps I´ve seen benchmarks where Ryzen had way lower minimum fps than Intel, and minimum fps is what defines a good experience. So yes I was right from the beggining and I´m not anti underdog. I´m Pro Consumer. I don´t have to defend amd just because they are a lower budget company. That makes 0 sense and enter in fanboyism territory. I care about myself and my needs, not about a company.

Ryzen 7 might have lower minimum FPS on a freshly installed system with no other programs/tasks running, but you will have hard time convincing me that the i7 manages to keep the min FPS lead in all games on a real world system. That is, a system which has antivirus, browser, chat, etc. running. There will be FPS dips, and the more threads the game is using, the more severe they will be. Think about it.