Monday, July 17th 2017
AMD to Include AIO Liquid Coolers with Ryzen Threadripper Processors
In a move that could drown out the value proposition of competing Core X processors even further, AMD is reportedly including all-in-one liquid CPU coolers with its two upcoming Ryzen Threadripper processor models, the 12-core/24-thread 1920X and the 16-core/32-thread 1950X. While in its recent reveal of its first two Ryzen Threadripper SKUs besides Ryzen 3 series, the company did not specify the TDP of its Threadripper chips, older rumors pin the TDP of the 12-core part at 125W, and the 16-core part at 155W, both of which could run comfortably under liquid cooling. This won't be the first time AMD is bundling stock liquid-cooling solutions with its processors. The company bundled liquid coolers with certain high-TDP SKUs of its FX-series 8-core processors (pictured below).
This, combined by the dearth of compatibility announcements by third-party CPU cooler manufacturers for its TR4 socket, could be forcing AMD to take steps to ensure that the first Threadripper owners aren't left without a cooler, more so in maturing markets. Intel's new LGA2066 socket, on which its Core X processors are based, didn't face this problem, as it shares its mount-hole spacing with older LGA2011v3 socket. According to the source, Threadripper could be available in Japan on the 10th of August. This could mean availability in the US from 9th August.
Sources:
Hermitage Akihabara, HotHardware
This, combined by the dearth of compatibility announcements by third-party CPU cooler manufacturers for its TR4 socket, could be forcing AMD to take steps to ensure that the first Threadripper owners aren't left without a cooler, more so in maturing markets. Intel's new LGA2066 socket, on which its Core X processors are based, didn't face this problem, as it shares its mount-hole spacing with older LGA2011v3 socket. According to the source, Threadripper could be available in Japan on the 10th of August. This could mean availability in the US from 9th August.
53 Comments on AMD to Include AIO Liquid Coolers with Ryzen Threadripper Processors
www.anandtech.com/show/11636/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-1950x-16-cores-4g-turbo-799-999-usd
It's a good read with information regarding memory intensive applications.
Threadripper is just two dies on a single package (16 cores/32 threads). There will be some latency when a task requires cross-communication between the two dies for data needs over 16 MB of L3 cache. If the tasks does not need over 16 MB, the latency within a die is competitive to Intel.
Edit: As for making money, AMD designed a single die to stretch across server, workstation and desktop. You add dies based on the application. It is much cheaper to have multiple, small, low power dies on a single package than a single monolithic chip. AMD can sell these cheap and make good margins. Intel's 28 core monolithic die is a huge engineering feat and ultimately the better solution for some tasks. In short, yes AMD will make money on these chips.
They won't make much money off of these chips, that much I can tell you. Their current 8/6/4 core chips aren't good enough for gaming and the 7700K/7600K are still the better options for those who are looking to buy good gaming CPUs that clock well.
This picture came from Arstechnica.
arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/amd-ryzen-arrives-march-2-8-cores-16-threads-from-just-329/
In this article they state the following in the picture caption:
"AMD's Ryzen die. Threadripper has two of these in a multi-chip module. Epyc has four of them."
The four 'glued' together quads you (and Intel) are talking about is the four dies in the EPYC chip pictured below:
Again, I (and Arstechnica) assume Threadripper will just be two of these dies not quad dies. It doesn't make sense to have four dies with two of the dies disabled. Why add a completely disabled die when you are just fabbing individual dies? You can add 1 (Ryzen), 2 (Threadripper) or 4 (EPYC) dies. That's the point of AMD's strategy.
Also I assume that you got the four 'glued' quads from Intel's marketing presentation.
www.techpowerup.com/235092/intel-says-amd-epyc-processors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck
This marketing presentation was in response to EPYC not Threadripper.
And please stop with something as nonsensical as not good enough, that's a blatant lie, even after discounting the fact that a GPU (especially for high resolutions) is way more important than the CPU for gaming.
Also, spellcheck man.
The 290x, which was a much bigger piece of silicon with much lower yields, made money at $550. Thread-ripper at 1K is going to rake in money.
Also "not good enough for gaming" in what fairy world do you live in? Ryzen has shown time and time again to be withing 10% of a equivalent kaby lake in gaming tasks. Where are all these games that cant run properly on ryzen?
I mean come on man, there's no call for that kind of language.
However those professionally interested, like video editors will benefit, not only from the performance, but also of the reduced price (unless motherboard is in $1000+ range). Video encoding and compression will benefit of more cores, especially for the 4K content that is all over the place. 4K processing is amazingly slow process and I see myself easily going with 16 core option.
For gaming, obviously, you won't benefit from Threadripper and you better stay with 1700X or 1800X.
If you think wisely, AMD will give you the same performance that Intel offers you at half price. How could you resist?
Sure, I hope those prices are just MSRP and the real, street prices will be $100 lower.
6 of top 20 are Ryzen and #2 and #3 are Ryzens. Where as the first X299 CPU is at #41 (7740X) wich is not even a high end part in my mind.
I would not put much stock on X299 CPU-s selling out fast as indicative of massive demand for them. These are high end, low volume parts. Plus coupled with the fact that they are newly launched almost guarantees that all batches will be sold out.
AMD has quietly decreased Ryzen prices. Especially 1800X and 1700X prices. Because they can afford it. Ryzen yields are reportedly extremely good and it's cheap to manufacture compared to one big monolithic die wich is why i took them so long to collect enough defective dies to do a proper Ryzen 3 launch.
AMD's stack seems to be pretty well spaced now. Obviously there are additional costs with HEDT such as motherboards and needing to populate more RAM, but the core CPU cost is likely a large factor in the purchasing decision - this will be even more true when lower core count TR SKUs appear. We may See the Ryzen pricing drop further.
AMD have more control over CPU prices than motherboard prices too of course. ;)