Thursday, September 14th 2017

NVIDIA Readying a GeForce GTX 1070 Refresh; GTX 1070 Ti

NVIDIA is readying a new GeForce GTX 1070 refresh graphics card, according to well-placed sources. Positioned between the current GTX 1070 and the GTX 1080 11 Gbps in performance, the refreshed GTX 1070 could at least displace the current GTX 1070 from its price-point, if not replace it. NVIDIA could carve the new chip out of the latest stepping of the GP104 silicon, and give it more CUDA cores, likely 2,048 (on par with GTX 1070 Mobile), if not higher. It could also get faster memory, likely 9 Gbps GDDR5 or even 10 Gbps GDDR5X. Its core and GPU Boost clock speeds could even be dialed up a little.

NVIDIA's objective here appears to be convincingly outperforming AMD Radeon RX Vega 56, at a lower power-draw. There's a 20 percent performance gap between the current desktop GTX 1070 and GTX 1080, and the new GTX 1070 refresh could find a price-performance equation somewhere in the middle. As NVIDIA's product-stack currently stands, the GTX 1080, which was refreshed with faster 11 Gbps GDDR5X memory, has a wider performance gap with the GTX 1070, creating room for a GTX 1070 refresh SKU somewhere in the middle, which could perform within the 90th percentile of the original GTX 1080 with 10 Gbps memory. What NVIDIA could name the SKU is anybody's guess. Historically, NVIDIA has updated SKU specifications without changing the name. The GTX 1080 and GTX 1060 6 GB were refreshed with faster memory, by simply prominently mentioning the memory clock below the SKU branding, there's also the remote possibility of the GTX 1070 Ti branding to combat the "grandeur" of AMD's RX Vega branding. NVIDIA could have the new GeForce GTX 1070 refresh SKU out in time for Holiday.
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88 Comments on NVIDIA Readying a GeForce GTX 1070 Refresh; GTX 1070 Ti

#1
EntropyZ
OT: I'll just start laughing when I see the MSRP of this card and what it actually retails for, then proceed to cry myself to sleep as I remind myself on the pricing that's 100 euros more over the MSRP for a year old card, plus the fact that Vega 56 in my country costs almost 800 euros a piece. FML.

Oh and people are buying those cards for that price, they're sold out. 750-800 euros for what is almost supposed to be now a mid-range card in 2017. What f***ed up world is this.

Guys in US are lucky since price changes come and go way faster. I have to wait a year for any significant change in pricing to make something even remotely a worthy buy. A lot happens in a year, but some like to stagnate prices and stock for some stupid reason.

Pascal refresh was probably the best move for nvidia, they did say Volta was gonna cost too much for them and their current cards are still kicking anything AMD has right now.
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#3
SirEpicWin
Really hope nvidia uses GDDR5X,I heard GDDR5X sucks for mining
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#4
The Quim Reaper
Well if they do this there would be no point in the 1080 anymore.

They'll probably EOL the 1080, in order to clear stocks in time for Volta early next year.

A 1070 Ti would fill the role of being faster than a Vega 56 at a similar price whilst being a cheaper equal to the Vega 64 at the same time.

Which would potentially open the door for a (small) price cut on the 1080Ti.
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#5
Chaitanya
Considering the inflated prices of GPUs for last couple months, dont think nVidia will have any motivation to sell these GPUs at the same MSRP as the 1070.
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#6
cucker tarlson
If they up the CUDA count, the name will be changed. A 2048 CUDA 1070 with 9gbps DDR5 will undercut V56 while not undercutting the GTX 1080.
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#7
ppn
I can't see myself buying anything less than 3072 cores and 12 Gbps memory 320bit bus. 1070 is 3/4 of GP104 much like GTX 760 was compared to GTX 770. We need the GTX 780 equivalent now.
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#8
seggbizo
And what about the huge gap between 1050Ti and 1060? :mad:
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#9
seggbizo
ppn said:
I can't see myself buying anything less than 3072 cores and 12 Gbps memory 320bit bus. 1070 is 3/4 of GP104 much like GTX 760 was compared to GTX 770. We need the GTX 780 equivalent now.
12 GB is 384 bit, isn't it? :)
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#10
M2B
Still Waiting For GTX 2060 With 10 or 12 GB of GDDR5X Memory.
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#11
techy1
Vega is a no factor here. Nvidia is just milking its 1.5 year old architecture (I guess my first sentence is false - Vega isa factor here - nvidia can continue to slack with soon to be 2 year old architecture). I bet msrp for reviews (that also is something new - msrp price for reviews only) would be little lower gtx 1080 market price, but real price could be even higher than gtx 1080... how so, you might ask - because there is no competition. gddr5x could save this card from miners, but then again why nividia would want that.
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#12
Hugh Mungus
Pascal refresh it is! Volta probably only for servers and stuff. I'm blaming Raja.
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#13
ppn
seggbizo said:
12 GB is 384 bit, isn't it? :)
GDDR5X at 12 gigabits per second was recently announced if not mistaken. So 8GB 256 bit or 10GB on 320 bit will be perfect.
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#14
HD64G
Reaction to Vega 56 being clearly faster than 1070 that is. And with Volta arch being made mostly for compute tasks, don't wait for any Volta gaming GPus from nVidia until 2Q/18.
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#15
Ubersonic
SirEpicWin said:
Really hope nvidia uses GDDR5X,I heard GDDR5X sucks for mining
Sadly not true, it sucks for mining some coins that are predominantly "AMD friendly" such as Ethereum, and so you can get more Ethereum with a 1070 than a 1080, however in both cases it would be more profitable to mine an "Nvidia friendly" coin, and the 1080 does better there.
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#16
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Must of startled them to release a ti model, nvidia thought the 1080 would cover the price gap but they release another card so they can keep the 1080s price higher...
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#18
StrayKAT
If this was early 2017, I might've gone for it.
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#19
Rowsol
This makes no sense. The gap isn't big enough to warrant an in-between.
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#20
HD64G
Rowsol said:
This makes no sense. The gap isn't big enough to warrant an in-between.
Agreed but pride of nVidia is hurt because of Vega 56 being better in gaming (crushing their GPus in computing is another topic not relevant here).
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#21
_Flare
whould be great if nvidia replaces the GTX1060 with a GDDR5X Version, too.
GAMING = NVIDIA
MINING = AMD

please seperate that forever
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#22
Fluffmeister
Putting the squeeze on the those Vega 56 margins already!

Played sir, played.
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#23
Nate1492
HD64G said:
Agreed but pride of nVidia is hurt because of Vega 56 being better in gaming (crushing their GPus in computing is another topic not relevant here).
It's not really about pride, it's about providing direct competition with a card on the market.

We speak of NVIDIA as if it has feelings, it doesn't. It wants to provide a service.

A 1070 TI can only be good for consumers, more options, more competition, and we've seen what NVIDIA have done in the past with TI editions.

The 1080 TI replaced the price point of the 1080 and the 1080 went down in price.

We could see the 1070 TI replace the 1070 price point, and move the 1070 down.

That would be great for us.
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#24
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
seggbizo said:
And what about the huge gap between 1050Ti and 1060? :mad:
Or the 1060 and 1070.
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#25
9700 Pro
seggbizo said:
12 GB is 384 bit, isn't it? :)
He means the memory speed, not the bus width.

Cut-down 1080Ti would be an interestin product, 10GB 320-bit? And some shaders diabled of course.
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