Thursday, September 14th 2017

NVIDIA Readying a GeForce GTX 1070 Refresh; GTX 1070 Ti

NVIDIA is readying a new GeForce GTX 1070 refresh graphics card, according to well-placed sources. Positioned between the current GTX 1070 and the GTX 1080 11 Gbps in performance, the refreshed GTX 1070 could at least displace the current GTX 1070 from its price-point, if not replace it. NVIDIA could carve the new chip out of the latest stepping of the GP104 silicon, and give it more CUDA cores, likely 2,048 (on par with GTX 1070 Mobile), if not higher. It could also get faster memory, likely 9 Gbps GDDR5 or even 10 Gbps GDDR5X. Its core and GPU Boost clock speeds could even be dialed up a little.

NVIDIA's objective here appears to be convincingly outperforming AMD Radeon RX Vega 56, at a lower power-draw. There's a 20 percent performance gap between the current desktop GTX 1070 and GTX 1080, and the new GTX 1070 refresh could find a price-performance equation somewhere in the middle. As NVIDIA's product-stack currently stands, the GTX 1080, which was refreshed with faster 11 Gbps GDDR5X memory, has a wider performance gap with the GTX 1070, creating room for a GTX 1070 refresh SKU somewhere in the middle, which could perform within the 90th percentile of the original GTX 1080 with 10 Gbps memory. What NVIDIA could name the SKU is anybody's guess. Historically, NVIDIA has updated SKU specifications without changing the name. The GTX 1080 and GTX 1060 6 GB were refreshed with faster memory, by simply prominently mentioning the memory clock below the SKU branding, there's also the remote possibility of the GTX 1070 Ti branding to combat the "grandeur" of AMD's RX Vega branding. NVIDIA could have the new GeForce GTX 1070 refresh SKU out in time for Holiday.
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88 Comments on NVIDIA Readying a GeForce GTX 1070 Refresh; GTX 1070 Ti

#1
cucker tarlson
Luke51087 said:
Thinking the same thing, maybe this one will release at 400 and bump the standard 1070 down to 300

as long as you take in the normal prices not the inflated mining prices of 1070s lol

then they have
1060 3gb - 200
1060 6gb - 250
1070 - 300
1070ti-400
1080 -500
1080ti - 700
1060 6G - $239
1070 - $329
1070Ti - $399
1080 - $499

That'd be sweet for people upgrading from old GPUs looking for a 1060 or those who own a 970 to get a 1070.
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#2
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
_Flare said:
whould be great if nvidia replaces the GTX1060 with a GDDR5X Version, too.
GAMING = NVIDIA
MINING = AMD

please seperate that forever
Uh wrong, I like freedom of choice, im not going to be forced into a monopoly. That ever happened I would stop using computers.
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#3
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
eidairaman1 said:
Uh wrong, I like freedom of choice, im not going to be forced into a monopoly. That ever happened I would stop using computers.
true story, when it comes to gpus i used amd for a long time
X1550
HD 4350
HD 5450
HD 6870
HD 7970
R9 290X
GTX 1070
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#4
jabbadap
T4C Fantasy said:
true story, when it comes to gpus i used amd for a long time
X1550
HD 4350
HD 5450
HD 6870
HD 7970
R9 290X
GTX 1070
You are mistaken, only gpu on that list is gtx 1070. Ati called them VPUs.
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#5
xorbe
With the way things are going. more like ...

1060 3gb - 250
1060 6gb - 325
1070 - 400
1070ti - 500
1080 - 600
1080ti - 800
Titan - 1200
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#6
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
jabbadap said:
You are mistaken, only gpu on that list is gtx 1070. Ati called them VPUs.
Really? Lets not be politically correct here.

Btw @T4C Fantasy

SIS 6326 igp
GF 2 GTS PRO
R9700 PRO AIW/9800 PRO AIW (accidentally killed the 9700 Pro)

x1950 Pro AGP 512

R9 290
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#7
Th3pwn3r
techy1 said:
Vega is a no factor here. Nvidia is just milking its 1.5 year old architecture (I guess my first sentence is false - Vega isa factor here - nvidia can continue to slack with soon to be 2 year old architecture). I bet msrp for reviews (that also is something new - msrp price for reviews only) would be little lower gtx 1080 market price, but real price could be even higher than gtx 1080... how so, you might ask - because there is no competition. gddr5x could save this card from miners, but then again why nividia would want that.
If they wanted to milk it they wouldn't need to buff the 1070 at all.
Rowsol said:
This makes no sense. The gap isn't big enough to warrant an in-between.
It makes sense, sell even more video cards.

HD64G said:
Agreed but pride of nVidia is hurt because of Vega 56 being better in gaming (crushing their GPus in computing is another topic not relevant here).
Do you do stand up comedy too? Pretty funny.
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#8
jabbadap
eidairaman1 said:
Really? Lets not be politically correct here
No not really. Just joking around, vpu is the word from the past(Well movidius calls their Ai chip as vpu nut let's not go there). Amd really uses gpu too now-a-days(gpuopen etc.).
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#9
Vayra86
Th3pwn3r said:

Do you do stand up comedy too? Pretty funny.
Pride is not hurt, but its a fact that Nvidia wants to counter Vega 56 with a product that delivers just a bit more perf. They also want to phase out the 1080 for the 11Gbps model, same reason, to outmatch Vega 64 more convincingly. Now consider this; there is what, 4% performance between the 1080 and the 1080 11Gbps. This is just a strategic, quick rebadge to fake the signs of progress and development in GFX. Its a sound bite for the uninformed masses.

Last, it will make the wait for Volta a bit shorter as in time between releases. The groundwork for delaying it.

Remember - New Toys ;)
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#10
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Vayra86 said:
Pride is not hurt, but its a fact that Nvidia wants to counter Vega 56 with a product that delivers just a bit more perf. They also want to phase out the 1080 for the 11Gbps model, same reason, to outmatch Vega 64 more convincingly. Now consider this; there is what, 4% performance between the 1080 and the 1080 11Gbps. This is just a strategic, quick rebadge to fake the signs of progress and development in GFX. Its a sound bite for the uninformed masses.

Last, it will make the wait for Volta a bit shorter as in time between releases. The groundwork for delaying it.
Yup don't be fooled by the wolf in sheep's clothing...

I'm stickin to my 290 till it is obsolete or something great comes out...
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#11
Vayra86
eidairaman1 said:
Yup don't be fooled by the wolf in sheep's clothing...

I'm stickin to my 290 till it is obsolete or something great comes out...
You don't consider Pascal a big leap forward then? I gained over 60% from 780ti > 1080.
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#12
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Vayra86 said:
You don't consider Pascal a big leap forward then? I gained over 60% from 780ti > 1080.
Not big enough for me, i bought a card that is built like a tank, will be eventually doing some tricks to squeeze more out of it.
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#13
TheGuruStud
Nate1492 said:
It's not really about pride, it's about providing direct competition with a card on the market.

We speak of NVIDIA as if it has feelings, it doesn't. It wants to provide a service.

A 1070 TI can only be good for consumers, more options, more competition, and we've seen what NVIDIA have done in the past with TI editions.

The 1080 TI replaced the price point of the 1080 and the 1080 went down in price.

We could see the 1070 TI replace the 1070 price point, and move the 1070 down.

That would be great for us.
Cmon, now, we all know little Huang's ego is fragile. He has to wear a leather jacket to feel cool.
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#14
Fluffmeister
Crazy what the ex-AMD employee has achieved, Jensen... we salute you.
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#15
Eric3988
I like more options for consumers, so I should like this, but I'm feeling mixed. The pricing of this GPU is going to be key; it must push down 1070 prices or it won't be worth it. Prices of the 70 and 80 GPUs are too close as is, best case scenario the 70s go into the $350 or below range and the TI tops out at $450 and maybe you have the 80s coming down too from the higher $500 range for many of the AIB cards. Worst case is the 70 prices remain and the TI go the way of the Vega. Aren't the profit margins going to be less for this card compared to the regular 70? Therefore is demand still strong for 70 series cards, isn't there the potential for this card to exacerbate the situation with the alternatives from RTG being priced out of competition?
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#16
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Eric3988 said:
I like more options for consumers, so I should like this, but I'm feeling mixed. The pricing of this GPU is going to be key; it must push down 1070 prices or it won't be worth it. Prices of the 70 and 80 GPUs are too close as is, best case scenario the 70s go into the $350 or below range and the TI tops out at $450 and maybe you have the 80s coming down too from the higher $500 range for many of the AIB cards. Worst case is the 70 prices remain and the TI go the way of the Vega. Aren't the profit margins going to be less for this card compared to the regular 70? Therefore is demand still strong for 70 series cards, isn't there the potential for this card to exacerbate the situation with the alternatives from RTG being priced out of competition?
it's a marketing strategy Nvidia hates being in second place on any of their cards
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#17
Th3pwn3r
eidairaman1 said:
it's a marketing strategy Nvidia hates being in second place on any of their cards
1st place-1080ti
2nd place-1080
3rd place-Vega64 ???

This is only if we're talking all out performance. Not sure how Nvidia doesn't hold 2nd place all the time.
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#18
cucker tarlson
eidairaman1 said:
Not big enough for me, i bought a card that is built like a tank, will be eventually doing some tricks to squeeze more out of it.
290s overclock well on the core, +10-15% is no problem on air, +20-30% is possible on water. That said, it's still much better to buy a newer GPU like the GTX 1070 or 1070Ti if it comes out. They have heaps of performance increase in comparison to 290X just at stock settings. Vega 56 performance is not consistent enough to be seriously considered better than 1070. It overcompensates in some games for how it underperforms in majority of others, and that's no way to really assert itself as the uncontested performance leader. It's like the 1070 is a solid B student, while Vega has the average of B with three A+'s and the rest being C's and D's.
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#19
HD64G
Nate1492 said:
It's not really about pride, it's about providing direct competition with a card on the market.

We speak of NVIDIA as if it has feelings, it doesn't. It wants to provide a service.

A 1070 TI can only be good for consumers, more options, more competition, and we've seen what NVIDIA have done in the past with TI editions.

The 1080 TI replaced the price point of the 1080 and the 1080 went down in price.

We could see the 1070 TI replace the 1070 price point, and move the 1070 down.

That would be great for us.
Companies that lead in their segment are proud for it (the people that manage them I mean btw). When they lose the lead like what happened with 1070 vs RX56, they are obliged to fight to get it back. That's how capitalism works. Trying for the max in share and profit of the market you are into.
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#20
cucker tarlson
It'd be silly for nvidia to take intel's approach and just sit back while amd is gaining back some ground. It'd make ppl believe they just have nothing going on or are not interested, which isn't good. If they have 2048 CUDA core chips and 9gbps DDR5 available, and we know they do, they will release it. Still, I don't think 1070Ti will take V56 out of the equasion, it'll still be competitive in general and better in some ways. It's just that the undecided buyers,which are the majority,will know they have a better version of 1070 coming out and that might well sway them into buying it.

AMD already said openly that their next update on the GPU side is a 7nm Vega with 4 stack HBM2 made by TSMC, so nvidia has a pretty clear confirmation of what to expect and can just milk it. I don't know why the hell amd does that, disclose what performance increase they will have in a year's time, nvidia never tells anyone anything.
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#21
MagnyCours
Slizzo said:
Right, and they could to "GTX 1070 Core 2048"
As they did with the G80 GTS, like I posted earlier.
Nvidia's got a 1070 with 2048 cores in their line-up. Though it's only used in gaming laptops with slightly lower core clocks compared to a desktop 1070.
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#22
Th3pwn3r
cucker tarlson said:
It'd be silly for nvidia to take intel's approach and just sit back while amd is gaining back some ground. It'd make ppl believe they just have nothing going on or are not interested, which isn't good. If they have 2048 CUDA core chips and 9gbps DDR5 available, and we know they do, they will release it. Still, I don't think 1070Ti will take V56 out of the equasion, it'll still be competitive in general and better in some ways. It's just that the undecided buyers,which are the majority,will know they have a better version of 1070 coming out and that might well sway them into buying it.

AMD already said openly that their next update on the GPU side is a 7nm Vega with 4 stack HBM2 made by TSMC, so nvidia has a pretty clear confirmation of what to expect and can just milk it. I don't know why the hell amd does that, disclose what performance increase they will have in a year's time, nvidia never tells anyone anything.
Amd has to hype their products 3 years in advance to get that train moving. Nvidia cards pretty much sell themselves at this point because of their reputation for performance and low power consumption at the moment. If the trend continues a miniscule amount of people will be buying AMD cards for gaming.
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#23
cucker tarlson
There's not a word about any uarch improvement on Vega 20, they're just moving to TSMC as a stop gap solution, which is not likely to solve the architectural limitations of Vega. Vega 20 will be just Vega 10 on steroids, same core config but higher clocks + more bandwidth, there is no point in making a 5000 shader chips since the core count increase from V56 to V64 already does nothing. Nvidia might just rebrand a 1080Ti to use 12Gbps DDR5X and it'd probably still outperform a shrunk Vega 64 with 4 stack HBM. We'll probably not even see the GP102 upscaled to use that spare FP64 die space as FP32, let alone see nvidia make that happen for us gamers on Volta before 2019.
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#24
Scrizz
They should've just called it the GTX 1075.
what ever happened to them using fives? lol
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#25
Slizzo
Scrizz said:
They should've just called it the GTX 1075.
what ever happened to them using fives? lol
I guess they gave that up after the GTX 285.
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