Monday, June 24th 2019

MSI Releases a Low-profile GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card

MSI released one of first low-profile (half-height) graphics cards based on the GeForce GTX 1650. The card uses a monolithic aluminium heatsink that's ventilated by two 60 mm fans. Although there's just one row of display outputs, the cooler is over 1 slot thick, and so you get dual-slot I/O shields for both full-height and half-height (low-profile). The card relies on the PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slot for all its power, and sticks to NVIDIA-reference clock speeds of 1665 MHz boost, and 8.00 GHz (GDDR5-effective) memory. Based on the 12 nm "TU117" silicon, the GeForce GTX 1650 features 896 "Turing" CUDA cores, 56 TMUs, 32 ROPs, and a 128-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, holding 4 GB of memory. Display outputs on this MSI low-profile card surprisingly lack DisplayPort, you only get an HDMI 2.0b, and a dual-link DVI-D (lacks analog D-Sub pins).
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14 Comments on MSI Releases a Low-profile GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card

#1
dj-electric
Nice looking card, awful display output selection.
This should be reasonably big to allow for triple display output, ditching the DVI for a DisplayPort, or even 2
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#2
_JP_
Great, MSI! Can the 1050 Ti LP drop in price now?! :D
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#3
lZKoce
dj-electric, post: 4069114, member: 87186"
Nice looking card, awful display output selection.
This should be reasonably big to allow for triple display output, ditching the DVI for a DisplayPort, or even 2
+1. My first thoughts exactly. Gigabyte's the only one get it right there.
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#4
puma99dk|
I wish MSI went with like 2xMini-DP ports with adapters for full-size DisplayPort or something like that to still allow airflow out the back.

Not like others manufactures sometimes like filling the rear I/O up with ports and tiny ventilation like if they stock 2 normal DP or HDMI ports on top of each others.
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#5
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
About displayport: I personally know like one guy with a monitor with DP. For mass low cost market, HDMI and DVI is the way to go, possibly even go with VGA.
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puma99dk|
Frick, post: 4069175, member: 23907"
About displayport: I personally know like one guy with a monitor with DP. For mass low cost market, HDMI and DVI is the way to go, possibly even go with VGA.
Well this series doesn't support DVI to VGA it states that in the text: dual-link DVI-D (lacks analog D-Sub pins).

But I get what you are talking about still adapters even original can solve this issue.
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
Frick, post: 4069175, member: 23907"
About displayport: I personally know like one guy with a monitor with DP. For mass low cost market, HDMI and DVI is the way to go, possibly even go with VGA.
Two co-workers of mine use DP for their displays and I use it for my own 4k. We also have a lot of DP displays at work.
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#8
Raven Rampkin
Thought I saw it on their website a good couple weeks ago, when researching the available options for SFF... These "releases" can be a bit late at times.
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#9
jabbadap
Good good, one form factor checked. But where is Palit KalmX.
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#10
Chloe Price
puma99dk|, post: 4069157, member: 15368"
I wish MSI went with like 2xMini-DP ports with adapters for full-size DisplayPort or something like that to still allow airflow out the back.

Not like others manufactures sometimes like filling the rear I/O up with ports and tiny ventilation like if they stock 2 normal DP or HDMI ports on top of each others.
Cards like this run so cool that ventilation isn't a problem.
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#11
0x4452
This needs DP for GSync. Remove the HDMI and use a passive DVI->HDMI adapter (ideally bundled with the card).
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#12
jabbadap
0x4452, post: 4069368, member: 130833"
This needs DP for GSync. Remove the HDMI and use a passive DVI->HDMI adapter (ideally bundled with the card).
Yeah like an old days, I'm just quite sure there's not enough bandwidth for 2160p@60Hz on DL-DVI. Anything over 1600p@60Hz were out of DVI spec. Sure if they would use some proprietary dongle to detect it as hdmi2.0b output, yeah sure it might work just fine. Well if I remember right those dvi-hdmi adapters were not made equal in the past either. Well made DP-HDMI adapter would have been the most easiest choice though.

1080p VRR monitors are usually just TN panels and I don't think 1650 is particularly good choice any higher resolution than that. So while yeah it should have DP, it's not necessary the most important video output that can't be dropped. HDMI is a must for UHD tellies for htpc usage, DL-DVI is must for old monitor users with higher than 1200p@60Hz.
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#13
jeremyshaw
jabbadap, post: 4069388, member: 148195"
Yeah like an old days, I'm just quite sure there's not enough bandwidth for 2160p@60Hz on DL-DVI. Anything over 1600p@60Hz were out of DVI spec. Sure if they would use some proprietary dongle to detect it as hdmi2.0b output, yeah sure it might work just fine. Well if I remember right those dvi-hdmi adapters were not made equal in the past either. Well made DP-HDMI adapter would have been the most easiest choice though.

1080p VRR monitors are usually just TN panels and I don't think 1650 is particularly good choice any higher resolution than that. So while yeah it should have DP, it's not necessary the most important video output that can't be dropped. HDMI is a must for UHD tellies for htpc usage, DL-DVI is must for old monitor users with higher than 1200p@60Hz.
You are definitely right, within the now orphaned spec, there is no provision for higher than 1600p@60Hz (nor Audio, USB, etc).

I wonder what drives the port adoption, since someone lounging on an old 1600p display doesn't seem like a likely candidate for a low profile version of the smallest Turing chip. Specifically, someone with a 2560x1600 display that only had DL DVI input, not DP - DP was present even on my old Dell U2711. For older monitors, we are talking about the Apple Cinema Display and the Dell 3007WFP, and that's almost the entire range of monitors where DL-DVI would be a benefit because DP ports were absent on that monitor. In Apple's case, they were "being Apple" and only wanted a single video input attached to their proprietary power/video mux box, so DP didn't make the cut. For the Dell, it came out 4 years prior, when Displayport didn't even exist.

It's such a limited use case, whereas DP would have covered a larger range of operation. Gsync (and Freesync) really bring the most benefit to lower end GPUs, IMO.
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