Wednesday, August 14th 2019

AMD "Sharkstooth" Shows Up on Geekbench: Possible Zen 2 Threadripper

AMD is possibly testing its 3rd generation Ryzen Threadripper HEDT processors, with an interesting entry showing up on the Geekbench online database. The entry speaks of an "AMD Sharkstooth" processor with 32 cores and 64 threads, with a nominal clock speed of 3.60 GHz, and the long-form model number "AuthenticAMD Family 23 Model 49 Stepping 0." None of the 2nd generation EPYC processors correspond with these specs, and so we're almost certain this is a client-segment Ryzen Threadripper part.

The prototyping platform, which is a motherboard designed in-house by AMD to test the processor's various components and I/O capabilities, is codenamed "WhiteHavenOC-CP." In this Geekbench submission, the processor is paired with around 128 GB of memory, and tested on 64-bit Linux. The platform yields a multi-threaded score of 94,772 points, which is about 18.5 percent higher than what a Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX typically manages when tested on Linux. It is also within 5% of what the Xeon W-3175X manages (around 99,000 points). The production model could be clocked higher. AMD will also use the opportunity to launch a new motherboard chipset while maintaining backwards-compatibility with the AMD X399. This new chipset will enable PCI-Express gen 4.0 and come with stiffer CPU VRM and memory/PCIe wiring specifications to enable higher memory clocks and PCIe link stability. AMD is expected to launch its 3rd gen Ryzen Threadripper this October, to preempt Intel's next HEDT processor series.
Source: momomo_us (Twitter)
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41 Comments on AMD "Sharkstooth" Shows Up on Geekbench: Possible Zen 2 Threadripper

#1
davideneco
94000 32/64 at 4.3ghz for the TH zen 2
95000 28/56 at 4.7ghz for 3175x
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#2
TheLostSwede
davideneco, post: 4098113, member: 172903"
94000 32/64 at 4.3ghz for the TH zen 2
95000 28/56 at 4.7ghz for 3175x
Yeah, not in Linux...
More like 74000 for the W-3175X and that's overclocked to 4.3GHz.
http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13605832
Not a single Geekbench benchmark with the W-3175X is at anything less than 4.3GHz, whereas Intel's max turbo for the chip is supposed to be 3.8GHz...
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#3
Mamya3084
Finally! Some news. My 1950x is great, but NUMA is a pain in the arse with some apps/games. I'll be happy with a 24 core part.
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#5
zlobby
Rip 'em threads, bwoy!
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#6
HTC
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098155, member: 189705"
Way too slow. Look at these result

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13538458
XEON 3175X @4.8GHz
What was the cooler used for that? I suspect it's of the exotic kind ...

Supposedly, Zen 2 TR will be using air or AIO water.

We shall see ...
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#7
csatahajos
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098155, member: 189705"
Way too slow. Look at these result

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/13538458
XEON 3175X @4.8GHz
You do realize that this is with 1.2Ghz additional clock speed right? Plus comparing a pre-relase, most probably ES CPU/early BIOS with a retail....
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#9
kapone32
I am so glad that I moved from AM4 to TR4. I am in no way saying the AM4 is bad. The fact that we are going to see new TR4 chips combined with the release and reviews of AMD's latest Epyc chips can only be good for Threadripper owners. Imagine running TR4 at 3800 MHZ on 32GB or 64GB of quad channel!? Even those that mainly game should be over the moon with the performance uplift provided, but the Motherboards are where Threadripper shines for me. All of the I/O goodness and the sheer number of expansion options is great. With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards, PCI_E 4.0 (I know but it is still nice to be bleeding edge) and I can imagine at least 64 PCI_E 4.0 but up to 128 PCI-E_3.0 equivelant lanes, probably 2.5Gbit or 10Gbit network cards and even Expansion cards (Can you imagine the Sequential on 4 PCI_E 4.0 drives in RAID 0). This is truly the best time to be into computing; so many options and really none of them are bad. CPUs from Intel and AMD all have their use cases but the sheer number of platforms is wonderful and sometimes daunting.
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#10
TheGuruStud
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098163, member: 189705"
ZEN 2 microarchitect way behind Skylake X a lot. AVX2 heavily code especially FMA3 duty may slow down EPYC ROME 64C/128T to 1.4GHz easily. That's the same microarchitect as new TR 3000 used upon. So many people belived 256-bit data path CPU shining over 512-bit data path one. They'd forgetting that Skylake X SKUs featuring 2 x 512-bit Load / 1x 512-bit Store not 256-bit path like ZEN2. (These why AMD ZEN/ZEN+ and ZEN 2 cheaper than Skylake X a half on some SKUs :)).

Buying AMD CPU :)):D:Deven had more cores) but still used 256-bit data path products on 2019-2020 era may be not good idea. It was waste of money for me. :D:D:D
No Thanks.
Fake news. Intel shill spotted. Benchmarks with avx already running at 3 GHz on Rome.
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#11
TheLostSwede
csatahajos, post: 4098171, member: 163948"
You do realize that this is with 1.2Ghz additional clock speed right? Plus comparing a pre-relase, most probably ES CPU/early BIOS with a retail....
Don't feed the trolls.
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#12
kapone32
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098163, member: 189705"
ZEN 2 microarchitect way behind Skylake X a lot. AVX2 heavily code especially FMA3 duty may slow down EPYC ROME 64C/128T to 1.4GHz easily. That's the same microarchitect as new TR 3000 used upon. So many people belived 256-bit data path CPU shining over 512-bit data path one. They'd forgetting that Skylake X SKUs featuring 2 x 512-bit Load / 1x 512-bit Store not 256-bit path like ZEN2. (These why AMD ZEN/ZEN+ and ZEN 2 cheaper than Skylake X a half on some SKUs :)).

Buying AMD CPU :)):D:Deven had more cores) but still used 256-bit data path products on 2019-2020 era may be not good idea. It was waste of money for me. :D:D:D
No Thanks.
By making these kinds of comments without any basis on reality or readily available objective data you are really showing your colours.

https://www.newegg.ca/intel-core-i7-x-series-i7-7820x/p/N82E16819117794?Description=Intel%20X299&cm_re=Intel_X299-_-19-117-794-_-Product

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x/p/N82E16819113448?Description=AMD%201920x&cm_re=AMD_1920x-_-19-113-448-_-Product

IF you had $2000 to spend what CPU would you start with. From an objective position the boost clock difference is 100 MHZ.
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#13
TheLostSwede
kapone32, post: 4098182, member: 181865"
I am so glad that I moved from AM4 to TR4. I am in no way saying the AM4 is bad. The fact that we are going to see new TR4 chips combined with the release and reviews of AMD's latest Epyc chips can only be good for Threadripper owners. Imagine running TR4 at 3800 MHZ on 32GB or 64GB of quad channel!? Even those that mainly game should be over the moon with the performance uplift provided, but the Motherboards are where Threadripper shines for me. All of the I/O goodness and the sheer number of expansion options is great. With some of the carrots they have put on X570; Thunderbolt support on some boards, PCI_E 4.0 (I know but it is still nice to be bleeding edge) and I can imagine at least 64 PCI_E 4.0 but up to 128 PCI-E_3.0 equivelant lanes, probably 2.5Gbit or 10Gbit network cards and even Expansion cards (Can you imagine the Sequential on 4 PCI_E 4.0 drives in RAID 0). This is truly the best time to be into computing; so many options and really none of them are bad. CPUs from Intel and AMD all have their use cases but the sheer number of platforms is wonderful and sometimes daunting.
Nice, but what do you use it for?
Even on my R7 1700 X370 system, I only used a couple of slots and I think that's one more than most people.
I have a graphics card and a 10Gbps network card. Now I also have two NVMe drives, which is up one, a the new board supports it.
Personally I don't need any more expansion slots than what's on offer from AM4, nor am I sure I would benefit much from more memory channels or more than 16GB of RAM.
I would say that applies to most people.
Not saying there's anything wrong having a Threadripper if it makes sense for you, but for most gamers/consumers, I doubt it makes much sense.
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#14
kapone32
TheLostSwede, post: 4098194, member: 3382"
Nice, but what do you use it for?
Even on my R7 1700 X370 system, I only used a couple of slots and I think that's one more than most people.
I have a graphics card and a 10Gbps network card. Now I also have two NVMe drives, which is up one, a the new board supports it.
Personally I don't need any more expansion slots than what's on offer from AM4, nor am I sure I would benefit much from more memory channels or more than 16GB of RAM.
I would say that applies to most people.
Not saying there's anything wrong having a Threadripper if it makes sense for you, but for most gamers/consumers, I doubt it makes much sense.
I use it for 4K Gaming, video editing, some Linux work, Microsoft Access and Excel and testing. I am not like your typical user but there are some TR4 owners who are gamers. I like to populate an entire board. I currently have 2 GPUs, 1 Expansion card (4 Intel 660P 1TB) and another expansion card (2 Adata SX8200 Pros 512GB). Plus the NVME slots are all populated with 1TB or 512GB drives. I agree that if you just want to play games X470 is fine but the TR4 chips are no joke either. Using CPU-Z my 1900x is faster than the 2700X in single and multi core. I have said this before but he current price of TR4 is for me a viable option. Some boards are inexpensive and the 1920X is $349.99 CAD right now, that is absolutely insane value for money.
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#15
HTC
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098163, member: 189705"
ZEN 2 microarchitect way behind Skylake X a lot. AVX2 heavily code especially FMA3 duty may slow down EPYC ROME 64C/128T to 1.4GHz easily. That's the same microarchitect as new TR 3000 used upon. So many people belived 256-bit data path CPU shining over 512-bit data path one. They'd forgetting that Skylake X SKUs featuring 2 x 512-bit Load / 1x 512-bit Store not 256-bit path like ZEN2. (These why AMD ZEN/ZEN+ and ZEN 2 cheaper than Skylake X a half on some SKUs :)).

Buying AMD CPU :)):D:Deven had more cores) but still used 256-bit data path products on 2019-2020 era may be not good idea. It was waste of money for me. :D:D:D
No Thanks.
Not according to Robert Hallock: i saw a video of PCWorld (IIRC) where was asked if an offset was required for AVX type loads and he said it didn't. This was for Zen 2 desktop CPUs and i'm assuming the same holds true for Zen 2 TR CPUs.

Ofc, he also said there was and extra up-to-200MHz more boost to be had with Zen 2 CPUs (in single threaded apps) depending on the cooler used but that's yet to be seen ... so there's that ...

How about we wait and see when these new TR are launched?
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#16
ncrs
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098163, member: 189705"
ZEN 2 microarchitect way behind Skylake X a lot. AVX2 heavily code especially FMA3 duty may slow down EPYC ROME 64C/128T to 1.4GHz easily. That's the same microarchitect as new TR 3000 used upon. So many people belived 256-bit data path CPU shining over 512-bit data path one. They'd forgetting that Skylake X SKUs featuring 2 x 512-bit Load / 1x 512-bit Store not 256-bit path like ZEN2. (These why AMD ZEN/ZEN+ and ZEN 2 cheaper than Skylake X a half on some SKUs :)).

Buying AMD CPU :)):D:Deven had more cores) but still used 256-bit data path products on 2019-2020 era may be not good idea. It was waste of money for me. :D:D:D
No Thanks.
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#17
_Flare
@Space Sherriff Gavan
comparing 0.5kW to 0.25kW CPU LOL :kookoo:
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#18
Mamya3084
TheLostSwede, post: 4098194, member: 3382"
Nice, but what do you use it for?
Even on my R7 1700 X370 system, I only used a couple of slots and I think that's one more than most people.
I have a graphics card and a 10Gbps network card. Now I also have two NVMe drives, which is up one, a the new board supports it.
Personally I don't need any more expansion slots than what's on offer from AM4, nor am I sure I would benefit much from more memory channels or more than 16GB of RAM.
I would say that applies to most people.
Not saying there's anything wrong having a Threadripper if it makes sense for you, but for most gamers/consumers, I doubt it makes much sense.
Or you could be like me. I had an 1800x which was a very poor overclocker (3.9ghz, custom loop and all) and a so called pro gaming MSI x370 mb. Could not get my 3866hz ram above 2933mhz.

Was going to wait for Zen 2 but took a gamble on an 2nd hand unknown condition x399 mb for $150 and a 2nd hand 1950x for $300.

Now my CPU runs great at 4.1ghz, and my ram at a solid 3600mhz.
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#19
AnarchoPrimitiv
Space Sherriff Gavan, post: 4098163, member: 189705"
ZEN 2 microarchitect way behind Skylake X a lot. AVX2 heavily code especially FMA3 duty may slow down EPYC ROME 64C/128T to 1.4GHz easily. That's the same microarchitect as new TR 3000 used upon. So many people belived 256-bit data path CPU shining over 512-bit data path one. They'd forgetting that Skylake X SKUs featuring 2 x 512-bit Load / 1x 512-bit Store not 256-bit path like ZEN2. (These why AMD ZEN/ZEN+ and ZEN 2 cheaper than Skylake X a half on some SKUs :)).

Buying AMD CPU :)):D:Deven had more cores) but still used 256-bit data path products on 2019-2020 era may be not good idea. It was waste of money for me. :D:D:D
No Thanks.
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#20
OGoc
Price/performance is how AMD and Intel position their products. If Intel is 10% faster in gaming for a gaming chip, total system cost is 10% higher plus a little for bragging rights.

Prices are also inelastic, they don't change drastically during a product's lifestyle, they reset on the release of a new product (within reason to not give buyers remorse to the last gen buyer).

Intel CPU's are more expensive but aren't as memory dependent (can even game in single channel) AMD CPU cheaper, needs more expensive RAM (and dual channel).

These businesses can't afford to overprice because the competition will take the sale. They can't underprice because they leave money on the table with already thin margins.
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#21
Cybrnook2002
Mamya3084, post: 4098120, member: 186201"
Finally! Some news. My 1950x is great, but NUMA is a pain in the arse with some apps/games. I'll be happy with a 24 core part.
? I think you may be confusing what NUMA is, you are going in the wrong direction. The current 1950x/2950x are the sweet spots for gaming on the TR platform since it's very straight forward and both chiplets have a dedicated memory controller so all devices on any of the NUMA nodes have access to CPU and Memory directly. Adding additional cores means breaking out into MORE NUMA nodes, not less and now living with an additional chiplet who does not have a dedicated memory controller so you have to traverse IF. So going from a 16 core 32 thread part to a 24 core 48 thread part, you are increasing the latency you will see if leaving all cores enabled for gaming.
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#22
kapone32
OGoc, post: 4098255, member: 180996"
Price/performance is how AMD and Intel position their products. If Intel is 10% faster in gaming for a gaming chip, total system cost is 10% higher plus a little for bragging rights.

These businesses can't afford to overprice because the competition will take the sale. They can't underprice because they leave money on the table with already thin margins.
How does your reasoning support this

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=AMD%203900x&cm_re=AMD_3900x-_-19-113-103-_-Product

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2920x/p/N82E16819113545?Description=AMD%202920X&cm_re=AMD_2920X-_-19-113-545-_-Product

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x/p/N82E16819113448?Description=AMD%201920x&cm_re=AMD_1920x-_-19-113-448-_-Product

Just to be clear the 3900x is $700 the 2920X is $560 and the 1920X is $349. When the 1920 launched it was over $1000 CAD. The 2920 launched at $899 CAD.
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#23
OGoc
kapone32, post: 4098260, member: 181865"
How does your reasoning support this

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103?Description=AMD%203900x&cm_re=AMD_3900x-_-19-113-103-_-Product

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2920x/p/N82E16819113545?Description=AMD%202920X&cm_re=AMD_2920X-_-19-113-545-_-Product

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x/p/N82E16819113448?Description=AMD%201920x&cm_re=AMD_1920x-_-19-113-448-_-Product

Just to be clear the 3900x is $700 the 2920X is $560 and the 1920X is $349. When the 1920 launched it was over $1000 CAD. The 2920 launched at $899 CAD.
I can't tell if that's a question or a rebuttal. Are you questioning how business models work at the billion $+ corporate level?

The 1920 performs on par "ish" with the 3700x. With a more expensive mobo and 4 sticks of RAM. Price/performance parity.
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#24
ZoneDymo
TheLostSwede, post: 4098189, member: 3382"
Don't feed the trolls.
hey cut them some slack, they just joined yesterday :(
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#25
TheLostSwede
ZoneDymo, post: 4098307, member: 66089"
hey cut them some slack, they just joined yesterday :(
Exactly and two troll posts straight away...
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