Friday, October 11th 2019

Next-Gen Intel Core i3 to Sport Hyper Threading?

TUM_APISAK has done of his well-regarded snoopings again, and this one could have relevant information for the democratization of threads in next-gen Intel products. Intel has been slowly (as they can) increasing the amount of cores and threads in their respective product lines across i3, i5, and i7 CPUs after AMD's Ryzen onslaught. Luckily, from two core, four-thread Core i3 of a few years ago, we now seem to be entering a new era for entry-level computing, with a new SiSoftware benchmark seemingly showing an Intel next-gen "Comet Lake" Core i3 CPU sporting 4 physical threads with Hyper Threading enabled (so, basically, the equivalent of Skylake Core i7's from just three years ago).

The benchmark submission lists what appears to be a four-core, eight-thread Core i3-10100. It sports a 3.6 GHz base clock, which likely isn't final, so take that frequency with a grain of salt. This shuffle in the low-end definitely means an upscale in Intel's more powerful lineups, with HyperThreading likely being active for all of their product stack across Comet Lake - 4C, 8T Core i3; 6C, 12T Core i5; 8C, 16T Core i7; and a likely 10C, 20T Core i9 10900K that straddles the line between consumer and HEDT platforms. Of course, remember these are still built upon the 14 nm process, give or take a few "+" symbols, so don't expect too much in terms of energy efficiency gains.
Sources: TUM_APISAK @ Twitter, via Tom's Hardware
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33 Comments on Next-Gen Intel Core i3 to Sport Hyper Threading?

#1
Cybrnook2002
"Now with new and improved MDS vulnerabilities"
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#2
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
Intel Recommend you DISABLE HYPER THREADING to mitigate from exploits Bla bla Bla
We care about your Security :rolleyes::laugh:o_O
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#3
Tomgang
Dont be so hard on poor little shintel. Sure they have a few (way to many) vulnerabilities and they still use old tech (14 NM since like 2015). But they just want (all) your money (Rip your wallet) and there is nothing wrong with that:p...

Well about dam time intel came with quad-core with HT for cheap. I have not forgotten when they for all most a decade released one quad after another and to be hornestly that where boring and at the end before AMD ryzen came i got from yes a new CPU gen from intel to oh a new intel release properly just another Quad core release yawn.

Thanks goodness for AMD came with ryzen and threadripper, cause else i still think we had been on the same boring boat from intel. Quad core release year after yearo_O. But then AMD came and :nutkick: intel and we now finnally have some interesting releases from intel with much cheaper 10000 series cpu´s and off cause AMD zen 2 chips. 2019 is the best year for cpu upgrade in a decade what ever you chose Blue or Red team.
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#4
GoldenX
Effing finally. It only took a complete beating from the competition.
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#6
dicktracy
why should they when AMD gimped their R3 3500x with no SMT.
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#7
Metroid
funny, now intel comes with ht for i3's, soon to compete x amd they will enable free overclocking for even the i3, mark my words.
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#8
voltage
dj-electric, post: 4131672, member: 87186"
Intel is bad. Like my comment.
and AMD sucks, filth money investors own most of them
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#9
ppn
If it provides 33% better performance than i7-2600 at 99$ I may consider it, but with next year's sunny cove 11 series IPC might be bumped substantially upto 50% plus we get ddr5 and pcie 5. But yeah they will probably throttle the clocks then. No free lunch. i want i1-11100 now.
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#10
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Didn't intel have ht on core i3 already but didnt have it on core i5?
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#11
ppn
eidairaman1, post: 4131757, member: 40556"
Didn't intel have ht on core i3 already but didnt have it on core i5?
Just on i9. But in 10 series all get ht for free. Not that it does miracles. For example with 8 threads I get same framerate as 4 cores. cpu usage jumps from 60 to 80% and just that, no real benefit. So there might be something or might be nothing. Just marketing tricks.
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#12
jmcslob
eidairaman1, post: 4131757, member: 40556"
Didn't intel have ht on core i3 already but didnt have it on core i5?
ikr... You know this but...

Yeah 2c 4t then the I5 became the I3 and now the I7 is gonna be the I3 and the new I5 is gonna be a 8700?... Thank you AMD

Edit: I5- 9400 now the Pentium?
I3-9100 the new Celeron?

Wow
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#13
efikkan
ppn, post: 4131750, member: 159444"
If it provides 33% better performance than i7-2600 at 99$ I may consider it, but with next year's sunny cove 11 series IPC might be bumped substantially upto 50% plus we get ddr5 and pcie 5. But yeah they will probably throttle the clocks then. No free lunch. i want i1-11100 now.
We don't know exactly how the Sunny Cove based desktop CPUs will perform over existing CPUs yet, but if it's close to the same ~18% IPC gains over Skylake, it should end up ~35% over Sandy Bridge.
To my knowledge, DDR5 is coming in ~2021 with Sapphire Rapids (Golden Cove), but we might not get PCIe 5 immediately with consumer platforms, they may stick with PCIe 4 for a while. Currently DDR5 have too high latency compared to DDR4.
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#14
Tomorrow
ppn, post: 4131750, member: 159444"
If it provides 33% better performance than i7-2600 at 99$ I may consider it, but with next year's sunny cove 11 series IPC might be bumped substantially upto 50% plus we get ddr5 and pcie 5. But yeah they will probably throttle the clocks then. No free lunch. i want i1-11100 now.
Sorry to break it to you but next year we will only get 14nm++++ Comet Lake that goes up to 10c/20t at 5Ghz. Nothing too exciting.
10nm products will only come to laptops for the next few years due low core counts. 10nm will not be released on desktop before 2022 and may well be skipped alltogether if Intel's 7nm picks up. But considering 10nm woes i would not hold my breath on that.

DDR5 will come to servers first in 2021 and mainstream problably 2022. No word on PCI-E 5.0 but considering how costly it was to implement 4.0 on X570 with signal repeaters and many layer PCB's i don't expect quick progress on that front in mainstream. Plus there are no mainstream devices yet that fully utilize 4.0 bandwidth.

As for IPC increase Intel has quoted only up to 18% for Sunny Cove vs Core arch.

All in all AMD will continue to dominate desktop space for years to come and Intel will try to hold on to their mobile and server market shares by prioritizing them over desktop.
People can still buy Intel on desktop but they've effectively lost their performance advantage. Essentially only the 500$+ i9's will remain relevant for those willing to spend double as much to get that last 5% in certain workloads and for bragging rights. Already Ryzen is outselling Core roughly 4:1 at major retailers and this will only get worse for Intel.

Will Intel make a comeback? Sure but it will take years and when they do it will not be a knockout like Conroe was back in the day against Athlon.
As for the troll who screams here about single AMD CPU not having SMT - LOL. Entire Ryzen stack has one CPU that does not have SMT. Half of Intel's stack does not have HT. Even i7-9700K, despite i7 always having HT. Go cry about that instead of 3500X that is compared against 9400 that also lack HT.
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#15
mcraygsx
Thanks to AMD now everyone can easily build a top notch content creation workstation which is a step is right direction. Hard to believe INTEL kept the community stuck to 4C8T for sake of corporate greed.
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#16
jmcslob
mcraygsx, post: 4131806, member: 151421"
Thanks to AMD now everyone can easily build a top notch content creation workstation which is a step is right direction. Hard to believe INTEL kept the community stuck to 4C8T for sake of corporate greed.
Not hard to believe at all...
You'd be in dire straits to think that most corporate agendas aren't "Money for nothing and chic's for free."

Eh hehehe
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#17
1d10t
This new Core i3-10100 will be repurposed 7700K, 4c8t with base clock around 4.3Ghz and Turbo all core 5Ghz, it only make sense why they discontinuing 7th gen :rolleyes:
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#18
Octopuss
Cybrnook2002, post: 4131646, member: 44647"
"Now with new and improved MDS vulnerabilities"
That reminds me of stuff like this:
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#19
Vayra86
dorsetknob, post: 4131651, member: 8331"
Intel Recommend you DISABLE HYPER THREADING to mitigate from exploits Bla bla Bla
We care about your Security :rolleyes::laugh:o_O
Still waiting on that refund for my HT threads.

jmcslob, post: 4131853, member: 67555"
Not hard to believe at all...
You'd be in dire straits to think that most corporate agendas aren't "Money for nothing and chic's for free."

Eh hehehe
Chicks are usually the reason a CEO is sent away for retirement. #MeToo

One big conspiracy :D
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#20
R0H1T
ppn, post: 4131750, member: 159444"
If it provides 33% better performance than i7-2600 at 99$ I may consider it, but with next year's sunny cove 11 series IPC might be bumped substantially upto 50% plus we get ddr5 and pcie 5. But yeah they will probably throttle the clocks then. No free lunch. i want i1-11100 now.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I do hope you are :ohwell:
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#21
R-T-B
dorsetknob, post: 4131651, member: 8331"
Intel Recommend you DISABLE HYPER THREADING to mitigate from exploits Bla bla Bla
We care about your Security :rolleyes::laugh:o_O
That was before the new microcode. Now that advice only applies to non-lake processors.
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#22
Dave65
voltage, post: 4131744, member: 173691"
and AMD sucks, filth money investors own most of them
You mad Intel baby?
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#23
Bones
voltage, post: 4131744, member: 173691"
and AMD sucks, filth money investors own most of them
Spoken like a true Intel fanboy.
No telling what it really is at this point except expensive.... For what it is.
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#24
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
It’s funny how one side labels the other fanboys, but they ignore their own comments as if they aren’t fanboys also.
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#25
Chloe Price
I had this already, it was called i7-7700K.
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