Monday, May 4th 2020

Samsung/AMD Radeon GPU for Smartphones is Reportedly Beating the Competition

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AleksandarK
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Samsung and AMD announced last year their strategic partnership to bring AMD RDNA GPUs to the Samsung mobile chips and use that as the only GPU going forward. And now, some performance numbers are going around about the new RDNA smartphone GPU that is compared to Qualcomm Adreno 650 GPU. Thanks to the South Korean technology forum "Clien", they have obtained some alleged performance results of new GPU in the GFXBench benchmark. The baseline in these tests is the Qualcomm Adreno 650 GPU, which scored 123 FPS in Manhattan 3.1 test, 53 FPS in Aztec Normal, and 20 FPS in Aztec High.

The welcome surprise here is the new RDNA GPU Samsung is pursuing. It has scored an amazing 181 FPS in Manhattan 3.1 test (up 47% from Adreno 650), 138 FPS in Aztec Normal (up almost 200% from Adreno 650), and 58 FPS in Aztec High which is 190% higher compared to Adreno 650. This performance results could be very true, as the Samsung and AMD collaboration should give first results in 2021 when the competition will be better, and they need to prepare for that. You always start designing a processor for next-generation workloads and performance if you want to be competitive by the time you release a product.
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Source: TweakTown

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44 Comments on Samsung/AMD Radeon GPU for Smartphones is Reportedly Beating the Competition

#26
renz496
Fatalfuryi dont think Qualcomm will let AMD or anybody else beat them...xD

Lets see
it doesn't matter if there is other SoC that can beat them significantly when it comes to GPU performance. qualcomm will still going to win the market. the thing is for the majority of phone makers having qualcomm chip is crucial because of their baseband/modem tech. and you can only get them bundled with qualcomm snapdragon package. for years qualcomm no longer license their baseband/modem to be used with other SoC except for apple. and even that probably going to end soon since both company have issues on the licensing fee.
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#27
bug
Unsurprisingly, one performance metric is not enough to paint any kind of picture. But it's nice to know performance is (potentially) up there.
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#28
MDDB
davideneco"181 FPS in Manhattan 3.1 test (up 47% from Adreno 650)"

87 > 181 = +47% ?

its like +108%
"...the Qualcomm Adreno 650 GPU, which scored 123 FPS in Manhattan 3.1 test..."
181 / 123 = 1.47
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#29
zlobby
R0H1Tanyone conflating this with their alleged "lack of support" seems to be living in cuckoo land :rolleyes:
In my land support doesn't really end with software updates. A complex physical device needs more than just a few lines of code patched.
As for the software, Apple are making their latest OS updates to some very old devices, where Sammy drops to quarterly security patches (on select devices, bear in mind) after 2 years.
Vya DomusThey lead in ST performance in what ? Geekbench ? Worlds worst benchmark proven by the fact the fact that the scores it generates do not coincide with reality.

Have a look at this : www.anandtech.com/show/15603/the-samsung-galaxy-s20-s20-ultra-exynos-snapdragon-review-megalomania-devices/6

Exynos custom cores are considerably worse in pretty much everything, you'd just be ignoring reality if you thought otherwise. If they are so great why are they stopping production of new designs ?
Also, check this vid
It shows neatly all that is wrong with the Exynos.
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#30
Turmania
Next phone, will be bought purely on where it is made.
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#31
mtcn77
Fatalfuryi dont think Qualcomm will let AMD or anybody else beat them...xD

Lets see
AMD is good at semi-custom. Qualcomm even beats Apple at semi-custom.
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#32
zlobby
TurmaniaNext phone, will be bought purely on where it is made.
So, by that logic we should settle to inferior products and agree to be force fed garbage, so companies can keep the investors happy?

It's exactly the same with people - I don't discriminate against race or religion, all I care about is how a guy behaves.
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#33
Turmania
zlobbySo, by that logic we should settle to inferior products and agree to be force fed garbage, so companies can keep the investors happy?

It's exactly the same with people - I don't discriminate against race or religion, all I care about is how a guy behaves.
I`m afraid, I do not understand you.
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#34
mtcn77
You know, this image compression low shading techniques started with mobile computing, I'm sure AMD can set the new trend this time porting the developed console implementations. Half resolution page formatting is what I'm talking about. What AMD has to offer is bitswizzle. If rendering pipeline is used, you suddenly have 2x better aa just for the benefit of using this rotated grid instruction. I sometimes notice these jagged edges around fonts, such issues are set and dealt with using the compute hardware acceleration. I can even name the stuff, thanks to dice.
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#35
Totally
Vayra86I am, and it is rather unimpressive. 'Surprising' it is not. Its a GPU and it pushes pixels and mobile has a much lower TDP to work with. It can do some 3D with ultra low res texture, cool.

I mean... Dead by Daylight. A disturbed mess of pixels. Is this really impressive?
Its cool they're making progress... but its not hard to make big jumps from nothing.



For giggles, here is what a PSP in 2005 could do... at 60 FPS locked

tbf the psp isn't trying to run a phone in the background
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#36
bug
Totallytbf the psp isn't trying to run a phone in the background
Because we all know how demanding that is for the GPU, right? ;)
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#37
mtcn77
bugBecause we all know how demanding that is for the GPU, right? ;)
It is actually quite light, not bruteforcing your right of way. Compute shaders are 100x faster than pixel shaders, afaik.
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#38
zlobby
Totallytbf the psp isn't trying to run a phone in the background
Telephony is handled in a separate part of the SoC (the modem), so it's a moot point.

Or if by phone you mean some rendering task or a protein folding computation? Because otherwise it's just a bunch of apps suspended in RAM.
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#39
Minus Infinity
Ferrum MasterExynos designs were always inferior GPU wise vs adreno... and there was nothing to be done about it...

Well... this will settle things down for RoW devices. The mobile gamer market is also big, they know what they do...
Crapnyos will no longer use custom cores, they closed that division down thank god, and hopefully no more Mali GPU, so high end ARM A78 cores and AMD GPU could be massive jump in performance and efficiency. Qualcomm aren’t GPU specialists, they should also tap AMD on the shoulder for GPU’s.
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#40
mtcn77
Minus InfinityCrapnyos will no longer use custom cores, they closed that division down thank god, and hopefully no more Mali GPU, so high end ARM A78 cores and AMD GPU could be massive jump in performance and efficiency. Qualcomm aren’t GPU specialists, they should also tap AMD on the shoulder for GPU’s.
Yes, but mobile development targets(tile based rasterization) got booked by gpu specialists themselves, so no stone left unturned anyway.
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#41
Totally
bugBecause we all know how demanding that is for the GPU, right? ;)
A CPU can't be a bottleneck, right?
zlobbyTelephony is handled in a separate part of the SoC (the modem), so it's a moot point.

Or if by phone you mean some rendering task or a protein folding computation? Because otherwise it's just a bunch of apps suspended in RAM.
Not all apps are suspended in ram.
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#42
renz496
Minus InfinityCrapnyos will no longer use custom cores, they closed that division down thank god, and hopefully no more Mali GPU, so high end ARM A78 cores and AMD GPU could be massive jump in performance and efficiency. Qualcomm aren’t GPU specialists, they should also tap AMD on the shoulder for GPU’s.
They buy amd mobole gpu division so they did not need to license the tech from other. They are not gpu specialist but among mobile maker they were among the decent one. And they don't need to win the gpu performance war. As long as phonemaker needs their baseband/modem it is unavoidable to get their "snapdragon package".
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#43
bug
TotallyA CPU can't be a bottleneck, right?
Not for a phone, no. Phones will run on the weakest CPUs.
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#44
Vayra86
Totallytbf the psp isn't trying to run a phone in the background
15 (!!!) years ago
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