Tuesday, May 19th 2020

Adobe Premiere Pro to Get More GPU Acceleration and Optimization

Adobe is releasing an important feature update to Premiere Pro later this week, which promises to introduce significant improvements to video encoding performance by better leveraging GPU acceleration. The new version 14.2 of Premiere Pro will leverage NVENC to boost encoding by over 5 times compared to CPU. The suite leveraged shaders to accelerate video effects and improving export times, but until now hadn't leveraged NVIDIA's hardware encoder. For machines with GeForce and Quadro GPUs, this means improved export times on H.264, H.265, and HEVC codecs. Without getting into specifics, Adobe mentioned that Premiere Pro will tap into video hardware acceleration capabilities of AMD Radeon GPUs, too.

Update 07:55 UTC: Adobe posted release notes of the latest version 14.2 of Premiere Pro. The list of system requirements needed for hardware-accelerated H.264 and HEVC encoding appears vague beyond pointing out that you need a compatible graphics solution. The list of compatible GPUs includes a wide selection of NVIDIA GPUs covering both its professional Quadro and consumer GeForce brands. On the AMD front, however, only the professional Radeon Pro SKUs are listed, and no consumer Radeon RX series SKUs.
Source: The Verge
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39 Comments on Adobe Premiere Pro to Get More GPU Acceleration and Optimization

#1
Chaitanya
From Bootlicking Intel to Bootlicking nVidia. Good going by Adobe.
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#2
ARF
Adobe is terrible. I just realize how washed out and blurry the Adobe Reader is. Just painful to use and look at.

I will stick to CPU acceleration with AMD Ryzen :D
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#3
dyonoctis
ARF
Adobe is terrible. I just realize how washed out and blurry the Adobe Reader is. Just painful to use and look at.

I will stick to CPU acceleration with AMD Ryzen :D
Erm...they are supporting acceleration on AMD GPUs too, I don't know what the two of you are protesting about...
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#4
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Updated article with list of compatible GPUs. Quadro and Radeon Pro supported. GeForce supported, but not Radeon RX. Linked to the lists in the article.
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#5
_UV_
Intel, Nvidia and Adobe - corporations, so that's always about money.
Next, Intel and Nvidia have better longevity and support their own features. AMD doesn't.
Even now, then Intel doing same bad thing as it was with Pentium 4 and Nvidia have poor drivers, it still working more reliable.
I tried to use Radeons for semi professional work since it was Ati, well, it was and now still unreliable in terms of some software can use it and some not, or it has issues with drivers. Same goes for CPUs, even then it works much faster (Athlon XP/64/x2, Ryzen 7/9) it may have little annoying issues here and there which ruin your production somewhere unpredictably.
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#6
dyonoctis
mmmmh, That would be nice if someone with a recent radeon GPU could test to see if the option is available or not. That recommended GPU list also show an intel igp from 2013, who cannot do HEVC/H264 encoding/decoding.
Unless they effectectively found something wrong with RX GPUs, recommended usually means: "we manually tested it with those cards".

Autodesk is doing the same thing, they are just too lazy to test AMD consumers product. Officially Maya 2020 doesn't recommend a consumer AMD GPU more recent than a R9 Fury.
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#7
Fourstaff
dyonoctis
Autodesk is doing the same thing, they are just too lazy to test AMD consumers product. Officially Maya 2020 doesn't recommend a consumer AMD GPU more recent than a R9 Fury.
Alternatively, there are not enough customers using AMD consumers product, and they don't want to waste money to test for compatibility. Similar to how a lot of software is available in Windows but not Linux (and vice versa).
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#8
Chaitanya
dyonoctis
Erm...they are supporting acceleration on AMD GPUs too, I don't know what the two of you are protesting about...

Lack of support for AMD consumer GPUs(pre Navi should have required compute hardware) on Windows side of things along with lack of support for AMD integrated graphics processors. Also its been more than 3 years and Adobe still hasnt bothered to add proper support for Zen.
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#9
dyonoctis
Chaitanya
Lack of support for AMD consumer GPUs(pre Navi should have required compute hardware) on Windows side of things along with lack of support for AMD integrated graphics processors. Also its been more than 3 years and Adobe still hasnt bothered to add proper support for Zen.
It depends on the app. On photoshop/lightroom Ryzen is generally faster/ as fast.



Premiere is just a mess. The scaling doesn't make sense. For some odd reason, Threadripper is faster than anything else, even faster than higher clocked ryzen/Intel cpu on task that aren't heavily multithreated. Besides cores, there's something that premiere really like on Threadripper that it doesn't find on Intel cpus or consumer Ryzen.
www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CPU-performance-AMD-Threadripper-3990X-64-Core-1659/
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#10
ratirt
I assume Adobe needs some more time to get all the cards included. They started with something and now lets see if the list will be extended. Releasing a version doesn't mean there can't be other updates following it.
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#11
Chaitanya
dyonoctis
It depends on the app. On photoshop/lightroom Ryzen is generally faster/ as fast.



Premiere is just a mess. The scaling doesn't make sense. For some odd reason, Threadripper is faster than anything else, even faster than higher clocked ryzen/Intel cpu on task that aren't heavily multithreated. Besides cores, there's something that premiere really like on Threadripper that it doesn't find on Intel cpus or consumer Ryzen.
www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CPU-performance-AMD-Threadripper-3990X-64-Core-1659/
Zen2(TR) CPUs are brute forcing the performance by using additional threads and by use of gigantic L3 cache. Pre Zen2 parity of performance to Intel CPUs and lack of optimizations for AMD CPUs is Adobe software suite is quite noticable. In General most of Adobe softwares are a mess Lightroom Classic is not even on same feature set/update cycle as CC, Premiere is temperamental and lets not even start with their subscription system leaving a bitter taste in mouth for long time LR users.
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#12
Vya Domus
Fourstaff
Alternatively, there are not enough customers using AMD consumers product, and they don't want to waste money to test for compatibility.
You gotta wonder, does it cost millions of dollars to test said products ? I don't think so, there has to be another reason.
dyonoctis
Premiere is just a mess. The scaling doesn't make sense. For some odd reason, Threadripper is faster than anything else, even faster than higher clocked ryzen/Intel cpu on task that aren't heavily multithreated. Besides cores, there's something that premiere really like on Threadripper that it doesn't find on Intel cpus or consumer Ryzen.
I'm pretty sure it's mostly just cores, what makes you think there would be something else ?
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#13
yeeeeman
Damn, so many fanboy and stupid comments on this thread.
People, calm down. For AMD to get support it needs to GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. It needs to alocate engineers to make this work.
You all cry like woosies cause AMD didn't get into laptops, AMD doesn't have NUCs, AMD here AMD there. Nobody will do AMDs own work.
That is develop ecosystems, platforms, implement software stacks, optimize compilers, etc, etc. Nvidia is doing it, Intel is doing it.
Having a good relationship (that is hire actual people to work with your partners) is a crucial element. And AMD pumps out good products (except their GPUs which are just trash) but doesn't allocate enough resources for laptops, nucs, software all the things you are crying here, to become a reality.
Stop being so whiny and understand how things work in the first place.
Nevertheless, any self-respected professional will use an nvidia GPU, so AMD support is not that important.
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#14
Vya Domus
Actual woosie comment who's mad at a certain brand. ↑

Any self respected professional will use whatever he has to use and not chose something because of the color of the sticker, otherwise the only thing he might be is a professional idiot. People in the real world don't think like that.
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#15
ratirt
yeeeeman
except their GPUs which are just trash
I've got 2 AMD GPUs Vega 64 and 5600 XT which I bought just to check the black screens and driver issues people were saying are so common. So far, nothing so I totally disagree with that statement especially if you consider price to performance versus Nvidia.

For the rest of your statement, well it is not just to be involved in the process. Do you mind extending your thinking about the process and tell as more what you have in mind?
For example, AMD was the first to implement 64bit instruction and it didn't have to be involved in any process for developers to use it. They need to implement features the CPU's posses in any application. If the CPUs don't have certain instruction this task can be done conventional way in case of these CPUs.
The argument here is (i think) There isn't much difference between Radeon pros and regular Radeons so the issue here is why the list doesn't list these GPUs. Same goes with NV quadros and consumer GPUs but in this case both GPU segments are included.
It is really easy for people with your "attitude" to call other names when you have a corp. stamp on your forehead.
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#16
Fourstaff
Vya Domus
You gotta wonder, does it cost millions of dollars to test said products ? I don't think so, there has to be another reason.
No it doesn't. Your average unmotivated corporate worker will not test said products unless their bosses push for it, and bosses are just as lazy trying to push workers beyond what is necessary. Just some random thoughts.

If AMD is willing to sponsor time and money to get them tested, I am sure Adobe will jump on it.
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#17
ARF
Adobe needs to fix the sharpness of Adobe Reader, for example they can use Radeon Image Sharpening in the process.
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ratirt
Fourstaff
No it doesn't. Your average unmotivated corporate worker will not test said products unless their bosses push for it, and bosses are just as lazy trying to push workers beyond what is necessary. Just some random thoughts.
Just to chip in, not all corporations are the way you mentioned here and maybe, probably work for such as an unmotivated worker who doesn't give a damn being pushed around by a mediocre lazy boss. The dispute here is, if it can be done and the answer is obvious, yes It can and it doesn't cost millions to achieve it. What the real reason is it hasn't been done yet is unknown and some think it is not because AMD lacks in development or process involvement (whatever that means). Do not steer the conversation in the wrong direction
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#19
CandymanGR
dyonoctis
It depends on the app. On photoshop/lightroom Ryzen is generally faster/ as fast.



Premiere is just a mess. The scaling doesn't make sense. For some odd reason, Threadripper is faster than anything else, even faster than higher clocked ryzen/Intel cpu on task that aren't heavily multithreated. Besides cores, there's something that premiere really like on Threadripper that it doesn't find on Intel cpus or consumer Ryzen.
www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CPU-performance-AMD-Threadripper-3990X-64-Core-1659/
Threadripper huge cache makes all the difference in the world, in Premiere.
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#20
Vya Domus
Fourstaff
Your average unmotivated corporate worker will not test said products unless their bosses push for it, and bosses are just as lazy trying to push workers beyond what is necessary. thoughts.
But it doesn't work like that, this doesn't rely on employee motivation, they are paid to do a job. The company goal is to have as many customers as possible, this includes people with AMD hardware, despite what many disgruntled fans of a certain brand would say, their hardware was always competitive in the professional space. So, common sense would say there would be no reason not to support their hardware. There is no way in hell they would miss out on a portion of the market just because they are lazy.

That being said it's obvious something deters them from doing that, like exclusive deals. I don't know and we'll never find out since this stuff is obviously done behind closed doors.
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#21
IceShroom
Vya Domus
Actual woosie comment who's mad at a certain brand. ↑

Any self respected professional will use whatever he has to use and not chose something because of the color of the sticker, otherwise the only thing he might be is a professional idiot. People in the real world don't think like that.
Some people are mad that $54000 Apple Mac Pro has AMD GPU not their "better" Nivdia gpu.
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#22
Fourstaff
Vya Domus
But it doesn't work like that, this doesn't rely on employee motivation, they are paid to do a job. The company goal is to have as many customers as possible, this includes people with AMD hardware, common sense would say there would be no reason not to support their hardware. There is no way in hell they would miss out on a portion of the market just because they are lazy.

That being said it's obvious something deters them from doing that, like exclusive deals.
If they have exclusive deals, Radeon Pro SKUs will not get tested.
IceShroom
Some people are mad that $54000 Apple Mac Pro has AMD GPU not their "better" Nivdia gpu.
Radeon Pro SKUs are listed as compatible tho, so Apple Mac Pro is covered.
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#23
dyonoctis
Vya Domus
I'm pretty sure it's mostly just cores, what makes you think there would be something else ?
As I said the scaling doesn't make sense. In playback The 12 core ryzen is faster than than the 16 core ryzen. Then you got the 24 core Threadriiper who's beating everything, including the 32 core and the 64 core threadripper. Intel 12 core is faster than the Intel 14 core, but slower than the Intel 18 core.

It's not linear , even in exportation a 10 core 20 thread cpu from intel is getting beat by a 8 core 8 thread cpu. There is something weird with premiere multithreading. In every other multithreaded apps, the 10900x beat the 9700k and even the 9900k without any trouble.
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Vya Domus
dyonoctis
As I said the scaling doesn't make sense. In playback The 12 core ryzen is faster than than the 16 core ryzen. Then you got the 24 core Threadriiper who's beating everything, including the 32 core and the 64 core threadripper. Intel 12 core is faster than the Intel 14 core, but slower than the Intel 18 core.
The lower core count CPUs will run at higher clocks. Not everything is parallelized so for those segments of the processing pipeline those CPU will pull ahead. Obviously there are going to be diminishing returns however core count is still the main driving factor for performance.
dyonoctis
It's not linear
It will never be linear but it's pretty close.
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#25
Tartaros
IceShroom
Some people are mad that $54000 Apple Mac Pro has AMD GPU not their "better" Nivdia gpu.
What are you talking about, AMD is supported. Also, Nvidia gpus are supported on Mac.
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