Sunday, May 24th 2020
Possible 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" XT SKU Clock Speeds Surface
Last week, we brought you reports of AMD inching closer to launch its 3rd generation Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" processor lineup to ward off the 10th gen Intel Core "Comet Lake" threat, by giving the "Zen 2" chips possible clock speed-bumps to shore up performance. The lineup included the Ryzen 9 3900XT, the Ryzen 7 3800XT, and the Ryzen 5 3600XT. We now have a first-look at their alleged clock speeds courtesy of an anonymous tipster on ChipHell forums, seconded by HXL @9550pro.
The XT SKUs indeed revolve around 200-300 MHz increments in base- and boost clock speeds as many of our readers predicted in the "Matisse Refresh" article's comments section. The 3900XT comes with 4.10 GHz base clock, and 4.80 GHz max boost clocks, compared to 3.80 GHz base and 4.60 GHz boost clocks of the 3900X. Likewise, the 3800XT notches up to 4.20 GHz base clock (highest in the lineup), and 4.70 GHz max boost, compared to 3.90-4.50 GHz of the 3800X. The 3600XT offers the same 4.70 GHz max boost, a step up from the 4.40 GHz of the 3600X, but has its base clock set at 4.00 GHz, compared to 3.80 GHz on the 3600X. It appears like AMD's design focus is to reduce, if not beat, Intel's gaming performance lead. The 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" tops gaming performance by a mid-high single-digit percentages over AMD's offerings, and AMD could bring them down to low single-digit percentages with the XT family.
Sources:
ChipHell forums, HXL aka 9550pro (Twitter)
The XT SKUs indeed revolve around 200-300 MHz increments in base- and boost clock speeds as many of our readers predicted in the "Matisse Refresh" article's comments section. The 3900XT comes with 4.10 GHz base clock, and 4.80 GHz max boost clocks, compared to 3.80 GHz base and 4.60 GHz boost clocks of the 3900X. Likewise, the 3800XT notches up to 4.20 GHz base clock (highest in the lineup), and 4.70 GHz max boost, compared to 3.90-4.50 GHz of the 3800X. The 3600XT offers the same 4.70 GHz max boost, a step up from the 4.40 GHz of the 3600X, but has its base clock set at 4.00 GHz, compared to 3.80 GHz on the 3600X. It appears like AMD's design focus is to reduce, if not beat, Intel's gaming performance lead. The 10th generation Core "Comet Lake" tops gaming performance by a mid-high single-digit percentages over AMD's offerings, and AMD could bring them down to low single-digit percentages with the XT family.
113 Comments on Possible 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen "Matisse Refresh" XT SKU Clock Speeds Surface
The only difference for this year is Icelake is supposed to debut with 10nm server chips and large ipc gains, AMD may simply be prioritizing server over desktop to head off that threat. Though with Intel all but canceling CooperLake...
I am simply tired of publications taking rumor as fact, and taking words not said to mean what they wish it to mean.
AMD has never said Zen 3 Ryzen is coming in 2020. All articles referencing that statement have assumed it does mean zen 3 ryzen in 2020. They may happen to have assumed correctly but that is not what was said.
We are dealing with the rumor mill. History suggest Ryzen before Epyc and Epyc has been garunteed by end of 2020 for a launch.
XT throws a curveball as does icelake server chips.
We know some form of Zen 3 will surface. We know ryzen 4000 APUs are imminent and we know RDNA2 will launch desktop before consoles.
Everything else is extrapolation and supposition.
She has categorically stated that AMD will be releasing Ryzen 4000 CPUs using the new Zen 3 microarchitecture this year.
It's stating facts, not conjecture or opinion. Lol
All I have heard confirmed from Lisa Su and seen in slides is Zen 3 by end of year, which is the Arch not a specific product.
Do you have AMD press slides from after the finance day?
www.anandtech.com/show/15597/amd-financial-analyst-day-2020-roundup
Do you have any newer information where AMD has actually said Ryzen 4000 Zen 3 will launch this year or are you just going to keep rehashing and hoping that when they said Zen 3 is coming this year it is to consumer products and not server.
But I guess you are smarter than Dr Ian Cutress who spoke to Lisa Su himself...
And what do you mean did she specifically say Ryzen 4000 Zen 3 will launch this year? Looks to me you are grasping at straws and creating this debate with nothing more than conjecture.
She specifically said ZEN 3, what would you call that? Ryzen 10,000? Ryzen 6000? lol
Release date July 7, NDA until June 16, price 284,84 EUR for 3600XT max 4.5GHz with Wraith Spire, 569,69 EUR for 3900XT max 4.7GHz without cooler.
www.amazon.it/dp/B089WC4VWF/
www.amazon.it/dp/B089WD454D/
If you want to know when zen3 ships, perhaps you'll get a better result in their SEC filings.
So we will absolutely see Zen 3 this year as she has said... What she has not said is anything about Ryzen 4000 Zen 3 launching this year.
I don't understand if there is some language gap or other issue at play here that is preventing you from understanding the difference between a product stack and an architecture.
AMD has launched Zen, Zen+, Zen 2 and will launch Zen 3.
They have launched Athlon, Ryzen, Ryzen APU, Ryzen Mobile, Threadripper, Epyc, Epyc as products that use Zen cores and their later generations.
For an architecture to launch, A single product using this architecture has to launch. Lisa Su has said 2 things, Zen 3 is coming in 2020, and Epyc with Zen 3 is coming in 2020.
You have continuously pointed at the same statement as fact for something you wish to be true but have no evidence of.
AMD has launched Ryzen 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000APUs in front of EPYC models.
What AMD has not done, is launch Zen 2 Ryzen 3000 3mo after Zen + Ryzen 2000.
So at the same time as AMD has first launched Ryzen then Epyc, they have also not crowded consumer launches.
XT launches in July, Icelake server launches in Q3 ... If they can block intel desktop gains with a speed bump, they can focus on the server and block intel there with Zen 3.
AMD has yet to launch Ryzen and EPYC at the same time, doesn't mean they wont or cant. I can't wait to find out.
Not sure why you keep refering to server Epyc chips, but you are confusing yourself bro.
Wccftech, AnandTech, TPU, and a bunch more credible sites have stated exactly what I stated.
and Comparing a 3000XT cpu to a 1000 Series??? Really.. 1st gen was LIMITED YEAH!!! 2nd gen got aot better, 3rd gen was MASSIVLY IMPROVED ,Espeically in Fabric Clocks???? i get 144FPS all day long on a 5700XT so dont tell me these clocks will NOT HELP Minimum FPS or even maximum FPS.... i do get dips down to 120-100fps depending on the scene ( Division 2) but this is also a live service game on a server...
(yes, even if playing solo, it still connects to the server for AI)
most other games run at or up to 144-200 fps with hardly no dips below 130 fps in other games... i do run an ultra wide 2560 x 1080p so this does hurt my fps a bit but , my old cld 1920x1080 it ran 144 fps was a 144hz panel and ran 144fps 99.9% of the gaming time.... on a 3700X, my 3800X pc raised the minimums up from 134 up too 140fps 1% lows so just a small tic in boost -1core- and 300mhz base clock boost from the 3700x's 3.6 to the 3800x's 3.9ghz, +100mhz on max boost, it runs much better, but tho if you had both system side by side you really wouldnt notice it too much. unleess ur in a combat situation hence server accassing ai
144hz with v sync locked @ 144, and ran perfect, butterly smooth, if set properly but i never used Freesinc/G-sync, niether ever work properly and or casue stutter, yes. even nvidias G-sync BS, i do have a GTX 1080Ti 11Gb GPU also, my 5700XT is faster and give way better FPS/Framtimes performance! 98% of the time no ocs either on cpu or gpu, just Fclk & Uclk @ 1800 Mhz with DDR4 @ 1800Mhz also DDR4 3600Mhz Cl16 Gskill Trident Z NEO 16GBx2 3600 MHz CL16 (16 19 19 19 39) timings ($180 When i bought this kit) on newegg
But it looks like these XTs are very easy to release. ZEN3 is the game changer later this year.
if needed, once again, i was saying that XT is the same as all other 3rd gens in terms of architecture and manufacturing process so there'll be no major improvement at all, it's just slightly better bin. You get even less for your money there than with 1700 vs 1700x.