right ... oh well, i will take whatever team red can put out after the RX 5700 XT then ... as long as the price is right, no benchmark no numbers will make me want a 2k$ 3090 or a 1.5k$ 3080 (2080Ti is ~ 1.5k$ already for me )

for now my 1070 suffice, even a RX 5700 XT would be an upgrade.

ThiagoSame thing for $1200 smartphones that people "upgrade" every year just to brag about having the latest and greatest to their friends and family.
It's ridiculous to see people do stupid $h*t like that, justifying the asking price and literally f*cking everything up for everyone else.

exactly ... well this is why i have a 399$ smartphone that can hold a candle to a 1200$ one in term of build quality .... in term of power ... errr ... ah whatever it's plenty enough already, it's a freaking phone :laugh:

I'm enjoying Microsoft Flight Simulator on my ASUS 1070 Ti Advanced Binned at 4K 30fps myself. Paid $240 brand new on a crazy sale back mid 2018.
I will NEVER pay more than $400 for a new graphics card. And for me to invest $400 on a piece of hardware, said card must offer me at LEAST twice the performance of my current 1070 Ti for that price and include a usable RTX / ray tracing option that I can take advantage of.
I'm using a Moto G Power that I paid $100. The one and only drawback that I can see is the lack of sharpness when taking photos, yes they are crap cameras. But I knew that when I bought the phone. Otherwise, Android 10 that it came with beats many of my friend's iPhone's 11 in terms of usability and functionality. My friend with the iPhone 11 was amazed by how fast I can multitask with Chrome. He said it works much faster than his iPhone, switching between multiple tabs and sharing things, etc. He tried to do the same and his iPhone was not allowing him to do any of the things that my Android did right in front of him.
People are clueless and just buy stuff because it's the latest and greatest, or because it's the cool brand or because of the higher status attached to that brand. Fools...

ThiagoI'm enjoying Microsoft Flight Simulator on my ASUS 1070 Ti Advanced Binned at 4K 30fps myself. Paid $240 brand new on a crazy sale back mid 2018.
I will NEVER pay more than $400 for a new graphics card. And for me to invest $400 on a piece of hardware, said card must offer me at LEAST twice the performance of my current 1070 Ti for that price and include a usable RTX / ray tracing option that I can take advantage of.
I'm using a Moto G Power that I paid $100. The one and only drawback that I can see is the lack of sharpness when taking photos, yes they are crap cameras. But I knew that when I bought the phone. Otherwise, Android 10 that it came with beats many of my friend's iPhone's 11 in terms of usability and functionality. My friend with the iPhone 11 was amazed by how fast I can multitask with Chrome. He said it works much faster than his iPhone, switching between multiple tabs and sharing things, etc. He tried to do the same and his iPhone was not allowing him to do any of the things that my Android did right in front of him.
People are clueless and just buy stuff because it's the latest and greatest, or because it's the cool brand or because of the higher status attached to that brand. Fools...

my 1070 was 526chf/$ at the time .... typical Nvidia, but i didn't really pay for it (1chf/$ thanks to an home insurance )

and my 399chf/$ phone is a TCL which sparks funny comment most of the time (not that well known in Switzerland albeit them being the one that were behind Blackberry and the OEM for Alcatel although they are well known for cheap well built affordable 4k TV) and they can't believe it's a sub 400 phone with "only a 60hz AMOLED panel that is not from LG or Samsung" and "Only a snapdragon 675" while having a gorilla glass 5 back and front with a full aluminum frame 128gb base storage (384gb total atm ) 6gb RAM 64mp main shooter (that do more than well) still has a 3.5mm jack and even sport a IR blaster, ofc there is some little hiccups (mainly a few app i usually use do not work with Android 10 but that's not TCL fault, unlike one of their main feature, aka the side smartkey, being dumbed down which is now a glorified "OK google button" and the sidebar app that keep force closing for nothing, but that's trivial )

a lot of brand are thinking themselves of going the "Apple's way" and think it's a good idea ...

I can easily afford a $2000 card, but I had almost lost all interest in the current breed of flashy but rehashed to death AAA games to care for a $500 one, let alone $2000. The only games that grab my fancy in this past few years are retro, indies and Switch.

No matter if you can wipe your arse with money or not, if you buy a graphic card for $2000 equivalent, you are a retard.

Blergh, no please. At this rate the price/performance ratios will be fixed even between generations. I'm still looking for a used <€100 card.

I feel bad for the people still trying to offload 2080 Ti's for $900 - $1100. The high failure rate during introduction and continued reports even until now do not help resale either. I would like to be a first adopter for Ampere, but the risks and price has to make sense.

OctopussNo matter if you can wipe your arse with money or not, if you buy a graphic card for $2000 equivalent, you are a retard.

Let's mind the blanket statements here. I can think of someone I know right off the bat that would be all over the $2k card if it truly has 24gb of memory on it.

For me just 3090 for $2000 won't cut it, I'm waiting for the gold-plated and decorated with diamonds version.

r9For me just 3090 for $2000 won't cut it, I'm waiting for the gold-plated and decorated with diamonds version.

G.Skill, we await your move. You can do eet.

Yeay stagnation. It sucks when when you're no longer the target market. Crypto and GPU mining sadly accelerated the shift by about 5 years for video card makers to focus on HPC instead of gaming - I also think that 4K gaming and VR got the shaft and are now perma-f*cked due to the crypto sinkhole. VR will have to come to age on mobile devices now instead of PC because of it, and honestly that itself may be enough to kill it again.

GPU's are being designed HPC first now (max profit center) - and then cut to the bone TDP for mobile parts second. Performance gaming is a marketing spun 3rd where they try and convince you that paying the same $400 today for a 2060 Super is somehow a worthy upgrade from the over-inflated $400 you paid in 2016 for a GTX 1070. Yea that 13% is sure an upgrade you waited 4 years for. Radeon 5700XT at least gets you around 1080Ti when the drivers don't blow up. But that's still not a slam dunk "next generation of performance."

We're losing new generations of gamers to mobile phones and tablets. PC gaming still had a hook where IF ... if you were okay with dealing with Windows etc. and were open to messing with things out of the box (like mods to games) that hey ignoring the cost of the base PC itself (maybe subsidized by parents) if you spent out $400 investment in the PC vs. saving for the latest gen console - you had absolute performance dominance over any other platform. You put up with the cost/complication of PC gaming because PC could provide the definitive gaming experience for a given title.

Now days if an actual upgrade for a GPU costs greater than $700 - which I mean a performance upgrade greater than 50% from 5 years ago... screw it. It might as well not exist.
It's a fail to me when you spend $500+ for a 2070Super which is THE SAME perf as a 1080Ti from 2017. RTX ray-tracing will only be relevant when it can perform.
You have a generation of gamers who can justify spending that $700+ on a new mobile device rather than some old archaic PC box that did them no favors growing up because that crap was too expensive.

It's pretty pathetic when yes mobile market has become the dominate market vs traditional desktop PC's. Yea because what is there to draw people "away" or should I say give up portability for a desktop? It used to be AFFORDABLE performance. But if the only things you hear about that are better than your current IGP or overTDPed dGPU with cheezed VRAM cost over $1000 PER PART then I don't blame people for writing off desktop gaming.

r9For me just 3090 for $2000 won't cut it, I'm waiting for the gold-plated and decorated with diamonds version.

Well indeed, no one really needs a watch made of platinum and diamands just to tell the time, but it doesn't mean there isn't a market for them.

Yeah, uhhh, did Nvidia get the memo or not about the number of people out of work? Nearly every country’s economy is in the toilet right now. $1,800 video cards are just not going to cut it. The numbers of people able and willing to shell out that amount of money for a GPU is far less than they were last generation.

Titan in 2013: "WTF, 999USD/EUR for a damn graphics card? Oh hell no!"
2080 Ti in 2018: "1200USD/EUR, well, it's not that bad"
This with the 2000USD/EUR pricing, the same people will buy these like sheep. And I thought that people buying over 1000EUR/USD smartphones are idiots..

Hi,
Not sure anyone realizes the titan rtx is 2400.us :-)

ThrashZoneHi,
Not sure anyone realizes the titan rtx is 2400.us :)

Even an enthusiast gamer won't buy it because it's just pure waste of money. 2080 Ti does everything it does, just a little cut-down version.

I found it weird that some people actually bought Titan X (P or Xp) since the difference between 1080 Ti and those are so small, few shaders and 1GB VRAM & 32bit more bandwith.

rtwjunkieYeah, uhhh, did Nvidia get the memo or not about the number of people out of work? Nearly every country’s economy is in the toilet right now. $1,800 video cards are just not going to cut it. The numbers of people able and willing to shell out that amount of money for a GPU is far less than they were last generation.

I agree with what you say, but at the same time more and more youngsters in the developed world are forgoing kids altogether, and $1800 (or the more recent quoted $1300) is chump change versus the costs of raising a kid. The market is there.

From reddit:

Chloe PriceTitan in 2013: "WTF, 999USD/EUR for a damn graphics card? Oh hell no!"
2080 Ti in 2018: "1200USD/EUR, well, it's not that bad"
This with the 2000USD/EUR pricing, the same people will buy these like sheep. And I thought that people buying over 1000EUR/USD smartphones are idiots..

Why skip RTX Titanfor 2500?

2k for 3080Ti is cheap. I hope it's 2.2k.