Thursday, April 8th 2021

Intel Xe-HPG DG2 GPU Engineering Sample Pictured

We have recently received pictures of any early engineering sample of Intel's upcoming DG2 GPU from YouTuber Moore's Law is Dead. The card features 512 Execution Units and will be the flagship model for Intel's upcoming Xe-HPG lineup reportedly targeting performance between the RTX 3070 and RTX 3080. The final product is rumored to feature a base clock of 2.2 GHz along with 16 GB GDDR6 memory and a 256-bit bus. The sample has a TDP of 275 W with 8 + 6 pin power connectors up from original targets of 225 W - 250 W.

The report also notes that Intel is still deciding between three cooler designs with the finished card potentially featuring a white shroud. Intel also appears to be working on a NVIDIA DLSS/AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution competitor codenamed XeSS which confirms support for hardware-accelerated raytracing and resolution upscaling tech. The card is unlikely to launch until Q4 2021 with wider availability in 2022, lower end 128 EU, and 256 EU cards will follow shortly afterward. The full report can be viewed below.
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48 Comments on Intel Xe-HPG DG2 GPU Engineering Sample Pictured

#1
80251
The only question I have is will anyone actually be able to buy one if they're not a bot? Also I hope they find a way to make it completely useless for cryptocurrency mining.
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#2
Caring1
Not the best shroud design, and as for XeSS, it would be catchier if it was SSXe. ;)
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#3
v12dock
Block Caption of Rainey Street
Moore's Law is Dead PO Box is in Peoria, IL which is where I live as well. I need to grab a beer with him and discuss this further...
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#4
wickerman
80251The only question I have is will anyone actually be able to buy one if they're not a bot? Also I hope they find a way to make it completely useless for cryptocurrency mining.
I assumed these would be made at one of Intel's fabs but there was an article at anandtechduring Architecture Day, saying it was built by an external fab. They mention TSMC or Samsung, but they are both over capacity so I imagine how ever many they ordered is all we'll see until fabs catch up with demand. But I wonder if intel is planning a revision they can fab themselves at some point. It's not a small investment to retool a fab but if theres any chance intel can deliver high end products that compete with AMD and Nvidia the fab will pay for itself in no time.
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#5
Rithsom
v12dockMoore's Law is Dead PO Box is in Peoria, IL which is where I live as well. I need to grab a beer with him and discuss this further...
Hey, I go to college in Peoria! Studying electrical engineering over at Bradley.

Back on topic, I find the specs of this card hard to believe. I understand that Intel is a big company and all, but how can they go from lackluster HD Graphics to RTX 2080 Ti performance with essentially no products in between?
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#7
watzupken
I feel the shortage of GPUs now may give Intel an advantage, assuming they release this card this year. Having said that, I will not want to jump right into it because based on experience, Intel have a unreliable track record of updating drivers in the past. It wasn't a big problem in the past since their UHD graphics are not for gaming. When you are trying to get into the gaming market, they will need to work very hard on optimising their drivers.
Prima.VeraReally hope is not vaporware....
The product will be released since they have already mentioned in their press release. The question is whether you can get one in the midst of short supply and high demand for GPUs.
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#8
jboydgolfer
that looks like the pictures members who joined 7 minutes ago post when they create threads like "need help identifying this fake RTX 2060ti i got on Aliexpress"

im aware its a engineering shroud, just saying
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#9
jeremyshaw
watzupkenI feel the shortage of GPUs now may give Intel an advantage, assuming they release this card this year. Having said that, I will not want to jump right into it because based on experience, Intel have a unreliable track record of updating drivers in the past. It wasn't a big problem in the past since their UHD graphics are not for gaming. When you are trying to get into the gaming market, they will need to work very hard on optimising their drivers.


The product will be released since they have already mentioned in their press release. The question is whether you can get one in the midst of short supply and high demand for GPUs.
I agree. Intel didn't even have "official" drivers for Rocket Lake's Xe variant at launch. They really need to step up their game.

As for shortages, Intel has noted they are not making these GPUs in house, so they'll be fighting with everyone else for limited fab space at TSMC, Samsung, etc.
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#10
LTUGamer
Hope that current troubles in CPU is because they are investing their funds into GPU market
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#11
1d10t
LTUGamerHope that current troubles in CPU is because they are investing their funds into GPU market
I will give them the benefit of the doubt but at the same time reality check must came in. History says Intel itself was "overconfident" with their own leaks, claiming this that what not, and let's not forget that they are also planned to utilize already overbooked TSMC processing. They will provide alternatives, yes, but competitive is yet proven and availability will not better than others.
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#13
Steevo
Smoke, meet mirrors.

In the words of Green Day, wake me up when September ends, but only if they actually have a product that is

Competitive
Priced right
Available
Bug free

So far they have shown 0/4 of those.
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#14
laszlo
a gpu without a driver is worthless; by the time they'll have one running without stability issues competition (red&green) will have their new products launched..it will depend on all pricing; if the high-end will sit around 3070ti and priced correctly~500$ (i doubt knowing intel pricing..) may have a chance ...
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#15
chstamos
The leaks used to be 3060-competitive and a summer 2021 release, now it's "in between 3070-3080" and the release gets bumped to next year, practically. Will we get a new leak for 4060 competitive-release in summer 2022 this time, next year?

Moreover, if intel isn't utilizing their own fabs for this release, I can't see availability being all that great. Of course, they'd have to actually have a finished product, first.

And Xesse means "defecate" in Greek. Χέσε μας επιτέλους ένα υπαρκτό προϊόν ρε intel.
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#16
watzupken
chstamosThe leaks used to be 3060-competitive and a summer 2021 release, now it's "in between 3070-3080" and the release gets bumped to next year, practically. Will we get a new leak for 4060 competitive-release in summer 2022 this time, next year?

Moreover, if intel isn't utilizing their own fabs for this release, I can't see availability being all that great. Of course, they'd have to actually have a finished product, first.

And Xesse means "defecate" in Greek. Χέσε μας επιτέλους ένα υπαρκτό προϊόν ρε intel.
I think its people's estimation of performance based on the specs they know. Even if it is actual performance numbers that were leaked, I feel you need to take early numbers with a pinch of salt because specs like clock speed can still change, so will driver optimisations.
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#17
Legacy-ZA
I am so very excited to see a new competitor emerge in the GPU space, I really want to see what Intel have cooked up in their labs, I want to tinker I want to see it naked. :love::roll:
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#19
john_
RithsomBack on topic, I find the specs of this card hard to believe. I understand that Intel is a big company and all, but how can they go from lackluster HD Graphics to RTX 2080 Ti performance with essentially no products in between?
It's not their first GPU. They are building integrated graphics all those years. And they are using the same APIs as everyone else. So they probably can offer something that can come close to performance. The problem here is optimization and bugs. While they can get close to the others on 3DMark, can they do that in actual games? And without bugs.
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#20
Blueberries
Now that AMD has patented chiplet designs for their GPU fab Intel is going to have to play fast and loose to keep up.

It's a lot easier to engineer new fab when you're using the same chip across multiple SKUs and that's going to be a huge disadvantage for NVIDIA in the near future.
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#22
AnarchoPrimitiv
It's funny, maybe two years ago I remember moore's law is dead said "I don't want to be a leaks channel", but slowly over time that's what it has morphed into... Still enjoy his analysis more than most though
LTUGamerHope that current troubles in CPU is because they are investing their funds into GPU market
Well, in 2020 Intel's R&D budgetary expenditure was $13.56 Billion, Nvidia's was $3.92 Billion and AMD's R&D budget was $1.98 Billion which shows that Intel has plenty to go around, but also the fact that AMD being able to not only compete with both companies, but best Intel in CPUs and match and even beat Nvidia in some cases is extremely impressive.
ncrsDon't worry, the others are not behind AMD.
Nvidia has published a whitepaper on MCM GPUs in 2017.
Intel's Xe-HPC will be MCM as well.
AMD has patents going back before 2017
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#23
ncrs
AnarchoPrimitivAMD has patents going back before 2017
Intel has MCM CPUs going back to 1995 ;)

I really doubt you can patent MCM as a concept, since it's been used for so many different things. AMD can patent their specific implementation, of course, yet it doesn't mean nobody else will do MCM GPUs.
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#24
Chaitanya
Will Intel ever make half decent drivers and with regular timely updates?
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#25
shadow3401
It would have been more impressive for the new kid on the block in the dGPU space to offer a unique GPU product that is low profile, no external power connectors and passively cooled that matched or exceeded the performance of a GeForce 3070. Be the Intel of 1990s; a leader, market disrupter and offer something new and amazing but instead Intel have followed AMD and Nvidia like sheep by potentially offering a bulky, long length, heavy, double slot dGPU that consumes twice the amount of power than a central heating boiler. Next.........
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