Wednesday, April 28th 2021

NVIDIA Silently Relaunching RTX 30-series with "Lite Hash Rate" Silicon Edition

Remember that story regarding NVIDIA relaunching a new RTX 3060 SKU that actually does limit the hash rate for Ethereum mining workloads? Well, not only has it been cemented, but it also has been expanded. Reports are coming in that all but confirm that NVIDIA is on its way to provide its partners with updated silicon that should put mining performance of their RTX 30-series cards into a less palatable price-performance territory for would-be miners. That, in turn, should bring them closer to NVIDIA's CMP (Crypto Mining Processor) cards instead - and as wanted by both the company and consumers.

According to the sources, the new graphics cards will be indistinguishable from those that are still in transit or in stock (all two of them worldwide, of course). NVIDIA is internally describing the revised silicon as "Lite Hash Rate", and that is the message they communicate with AIBs. Apparently, the new "Lite Hash Rate" graphics cards will range throughout the entirety of NVIDIA's already-released RTX 30-series portfolio, from the ill-fated RTX 3060 up to the RTX 3080 Ti - the only absent graphics card is the RTX 3090, apparently, which could mean that NVIDIA is confident enough on that graphics card's cost being too high to be attractive to miners - especially when you consider how much more they are going for above the MSRP that was half-heartedly slapped on it. The new chips carry an update to their SKU identification - the GA102-200 chip that powers the RTX 3080 is being revised to GA102-202, as will all other chips made "lite" in this way. Expect the new cards to start hitting retail come June.
Source: Videocardz
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80 Comments on NVIDIA Silently Relaunching RTX 30-series with "Lite Hash Rate" Silicon Edition

#52
moproblems99
Where are all the people knocking on the AMD 6900XT for having artificial limits because there is an XTH version...these sure feel like artificial limits.
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#53
sepheronx
moproblems99
Yeah, I don't have a warranty so pulling the cooler off is no big deal. I am going to do the backplate thermal pads and see what happens. If have to pull the heatsink, a block is going back on it. A block is going on it eventually. I just don't want to do it right now because reasons.
I wish you all the best luck with the card. And please let me know what happens.
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#54
Tardian
renz496
vote for number 4. but i do hope nvidia keep doing this even if they are going to fail with this attempt.


nah even if nvidia do that people will still going to complain. "why 4GB in 2021? nvidia is greedy to not give at least 8GB on their low end".


need the compute raw power? just buy those A4000 or A6000.
RTX A6000 is $8500 AUD. One would REALLY 'need the compute raw power'?
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#55
TheoneandonlyMrK
HisDivineOrder
It wasn't hacked before so it can't be hacked again. It'd be the first time.
It didn't matter before, and it won't matter this time either in any way.
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#56
Fluffmeister
xkm1948
Nice. I think it is a good attempt to segment the market.
True, but they shouldn't bother. AMD have clearly just focused on banging out their most expensive 6900XT cards, and as these threads show, Nvidia are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Nvidia should cash in, like everyone else... which they clearly are. Good on them!
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#57
PapaTaipei
london
good, now remove the useless BS fake 4k DLSS2 tensor cores, bs RT cores, shave 100W of tdp, increase raster performance 200% and lower the price and im in.
Agreed. RT is useless.
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#58
moproblems99
Fluffmeister
Nvidia should cash in, like everyone else... which they clearly are. Good on them!
Absolutely but it would be better if they just pretended to limit hash.
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#59
MentalAcetylide
sepheronx
It all depends what you have the card in (airflow and alike). Try undervolting it in wattman as well, may overall help.

My friend has a 3080 and gets overheating issues with certain titles.


I actually had to put a stop to building customers PC's due to lack of GPU's. Miners are part of the problem, but there are shortages of PS5's as well. Shortages of 6700, 6800 and 6900 cards and I can tell you, they aren't all that great for mining either (can't mine on PS5 as far as I'm aware).

Then there are mining farms where they get something like dozens upon dozens of GPU's and in each case, the answer they give when people ask "how you get those cards?" Is: "friend works in the retail field so he gives me heads up or allows me to pre order from him".

A very crooked market everything is. Scalpers, insiders, etc.
Yeah, after I told the one builder the specs of my proposed system, he immediately told me flat out that it might not be possible due to the 3090 GPU itself and that the A6000 may be hard to get as well.
Miners see easy money so they jump on the bandwagon, "influential" dickheads adding to the overhype on social media, ass grabbery in the supply chain... Sounds like a mixed bag of nuts.

It just doesn't make any sense to me, hence one of the reasons I frown upon crypto since the sole purpose behind it all is to generate money via mining by burning electricity to solve a blockchain puzzle... Now if this were tied into something like Folding@Home or similar scientific purpose, it would make sense.
Maybe I just have a warped perception vs others, but it seems to me that despite the increase in knowledge & technology, there's an apparent noticeable decline in wisdom with an influx of stupidity.
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#60
alan242
xkm1948
Nice. I think it is a good attempt to segment the market.
I fully expect nvidia to pull a Broadcom and sell a aftermarket key to unlock the limiter. (Broadcom sells feature unlocks for some Raspberry Pi chip features that are not automatically enabled.)
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#61
VEGGIM
PapaTaipei
Agreed. RT is useless.
Not sure if you know this but. Ray tracing in games isn't the only thing to use tensor cores you know. Anything AI based will use tensor cores. Some animation companies and some personal artists use rtx cards for these reasons. Even things like machine learning. Take away the tensor cors, you kill everything that uses tensor cores entirely like machine learning. and do you think nvidia is going to make artist only gpu's. No, they make drivers for creating, but they don't change the hardware. Do you want to destroy others who use tensor cors and ray tracing for creators for muh gaming? Think about that for a second.
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#62
london
VEGGIM
Not sure if you know this but. Ray tracing in games isn't the only thing to use tensor cores you know. Anything AI based will use tensor cores. Some animation companies and some personal artists use rtx cards for these reasons. Even things like machine learning. Take away the tensor cors, you kill everything that uses tensor cores entirely like machine learning. and do you think nvidia is going to make artist only gpu's. No, they make drivers for creating, but they don't change the hardware. Do you want to destroy others who use tensor cors and ray tracing for creators for muh gaming? Think about that for a second.
yes. save all that bloat for quadro. lean and mean gaming gpu for me.
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#63
Caring1
alan242
I fully expect nvidia to pull a Broadcom and sell a aftermarket key to unlock the limiter. (Broadcom sells feature unlocks for some Raspberry Pi chip features that are not automatically enabled.)
Just as Tesla do also.
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#64
moproblems99
MentalAcetylide
I frown upon crypto since the sole purpose behind it all is to generate money via mining by burning electricity to solve a blockchain puzzle..
The problem is this is the narrow minded way of looking at it. Mining is supporting the blockchain which is supporting a currency not controlled by some dickhead on Wall St or other corrupt St. Mining is more than profits. That's like saying Hollywood hacking is real.
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#65
Tardian
MentalAcetylide
Yeah, after I told the one builder the specs of my proposed system, he immediately told me flat out that it might not be possible due to the 3090 GPU itself and that the A6000 may be hard to get as well.
Miners see easy money so they jump on the bandwagon, "influential" dickheads adding to the overhype on social media, ass grabbery in the supply chain... Sounds like a mixed bag of nuts.

It just doesn't make any sense to me, hence one of the reasons I frown upon crypto since the sole purpose behind it all is to generate money via mining by burning electricity to solve a blockchain puzzle... Now if this were tied into something like Folding@Home or similar scientific purpose, it would make sense.
Maybe I just have a warped perception vs others, but it seems to me that despite the increase in knowledge & technology, there's an apparent noticeable decline in wisdom with an influx of stupidity.
I totally agree with the above in bold. I am afraid that means you and I both are really smart or we 'have a warped perception vs others'. I am going with the former.
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#66
Legacy-ZA
MentalAcetylide
Yeah, after I told the one builder the specs of my proposed system, he immediately told me flat out that it might not be possible due to the 3090 GPU itself and that the A6000 may be hard to get as well.
Miners see easy money so they jump on the bandwagon, "influential" dickheads adding to the overhype on social media, ass grabbery in the supply chain... Sounds like a mixed bag of nuts.

It just doesn't make any sense to me, hence one of the reasons I frown upon crypto since the sole purpose behind it all is to generate money via mining by burning electricity to solve a blockchain puzzle... Now if this were tied into something like Folding@Home or similar scientific purpose, it would make sense.
Maybe I just have a warped perception vs others, but it seems to me that despite the increase in knowledge & technology, there's an apparent noticeable decline in wisdom with an influx of stupidity.
There is only one Crypto that does this, Banano.

It's a joke coin much like DOGE; I applaud their efforts in making it folding@home, solving real-world issues, it's the only Proof-of-Work crypto I can't hate as its PoW system actually contributes to society in a positive way. There are far better cryptos than BTC and ETH; they are antiquated and wasteful.
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#67
xorbe
Trading electricity and heat for money, while not actually bringing anything of actual value to the planet, should simply be illegal.
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#68
JeffF
As much as I hate to say it. Crypto miners have found a way around the Nvidia RTX 3060 Limiters. What makes them think they will not find a way around any of their other limiters.
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#69
Arcdar
Torn between "great news" and "shitty thing if you thought that you might be able to offset the x2 price-tag over msrp in a year with mining a few hours a week on the side" .... I mean, it might still be viable (until EIP1559 anyway) but still a strange thing...

I mean..... in general after the next big change in Ether it might be not viable to mine anyway, which might come even sooner than those cards.... so I'm really..... not sure what to think of it. Still.... happy if I get the card I ordered (and payed) more than 3 months ago (when it was listed as available.....)


Really curious if this limiter really ONLY limits mining performance or also affects other areas - hope our @W1zzard takes a look at this. Besides being a perfect fellow German with incredible attention to detail with the new testsuite and redo of so many benchmarks he has the perfect dataset as point of reference to see if/what changed with those "lite has rate" cards besides ether-limitations :)
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#70
Metroid
funny will be when the crypto market bubble pops and then miners choose to buy amd gpus than nvidia and then nvidia needs to unlock the hashrate again to be attractive, intel is coming to gpu maket too, watch out nvidia.
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#71
randompeep
@Metroid
Every company in the game really stacking up these days...do you really think Intel is gonna come and care for a gamers' a** ? They may be at 2010 AMD driver level, otherwise we already had that overpriced (ofc!!) piece of crap, supposedly saving the market. They (nvidia/amd/intel) are having a coalition and there's nothing consumers could do except buying brand new GPUs. But where's the unity in this little crowded world ?...
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#72
sepheronx
Arcdar
Torn between "great news" and "shitty thing if you thought that you might be able to offset the x2 price-tag over msrp in a year with mining a few hours a week on the side" .... I mean, it might still be viable (until EIP1559 anyway) but still a strange thing...

I mean..... in general after the next big change in Ether it might be not viable to mine anyway, which might come even sooner than those cards.... so I'm really..... not sure what to think of it. Still.... happy if I get the card I ordered (and payed) more than 3 months ago (when it was listed as available.....)


Really curious if this limiter really ONLY limits mining performance or also affects other areas - hope our @W1zzard takes a look at this. Besides being a perfect fellow German with incredible attention to detail with the new testsuite and redo of so many benchmarks he has the perfect dataset as point of reference to see if/what changed with those "lite has rate" cards besides ether-limitations :)
The update to ether will cut by half if not a bit more. So depending how much you make now is depending if it will be profitable or not. And if ETH prices zoom up, then it softens the blow more.

So it will still be profitable to mine. Others may switch some of their systems to other coins, etc. I've already been doing Conflux and I make money from it. Not as much as ether mind you.

And when the cards release, the 3080 may be used to mine other cryptos and we are all back at square one.
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#73
64K
xorbe
Trading electricity and heat for money, while not actually bringing anything of actual value to the planet, should simply be illegal.
It should be illegal for another reason as well. Some countries subsidize electricity production and transmission with tax dollars and they get that money from taxpayers. My country (USA) subsidizes electricity production.

If you're not a miner then think about that next time you get paid and look at the taxes you pay.
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#74
StefanM
Raevenlord
Remember that story regarding NVIDIA relaunching a new RTX 3060 SKU that actually does limit the hash rate for Ethereum mining workloads?
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NVIDIA_DEV.220D = "NVIDIA Graphics Device" ; ???
NVIDIA_DEV.2503 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060" ; old
NVIDIA_DEV.2504 = "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060" ; new
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#75
Vayra86
xkm1948
Nice. I think it is a good attempt to segment the market.
Segmentation into what, cards for mining and cards for mining?
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