Friday, June 18th 2021

Team Group Steps into the New DDR5 Era, Launches Team Elite DDR5 DIMM

At the end of 2020, TEAMGROUP reached a cooperation agreement with top DRAM wafer manufacturers and started working on DDR5 technology. Since then, TEAMGROUP has dedicated to the research and development of DDR5 modules, collaborating with various major motherboard manufacturers to ensure that each R&D stage undergoes comprehensive testing and to deliver products of the highest quality that the industry has ever seen. TEAMGROUP is leading the industry today as we announce our official launch of the world's first DDR5 memory module for desktops, the TEAMGROUP ELITE U-DIMM DDR5, which is estimated to be available on major EC platforms for consumers worldwide by the end of June and the beginning of July.

The initial launch of TEAMGROUP ELITE DDR5 memory module will support 16GBx2 of capacity at a frequency of 4800 MHz, with a voltage of 1.1 V CL40-40-40-77, which complies with the standard specifications defined by the JEDEC association. Compared to the maximum 3200 MHz standard frequency in the DDR4 generation, the DDR5 is able to increase the speed to up to 50%. The low 1.1 V voltage is also more energy efficient than its previous generation; to ensure minimum noise interference for the memory module, the power management is transferred from the motherboard onto the memory with an additional power management IC (PMIC) for more effective system load control. The most incredible feature of ELITE DDR5 is doubling the 16 banks of DDR4 to those of 32 in DDR5 to improve the IC structure, providing double access availability. An on-die ECC (error correction code) included in the DRAM IC is also available for self-recovery of the DRAM unit, ensuring that DRAM systems with DDR5 can obtain higher levels of stability.
The memory module is applicable for Intel 600 series motherboards with DDR5 compatibility. TEAMGROUP's DDR5 will be available globally at the end of June and the initial product launch will be hitting the shelves at Amazon US, Newegg, Amazon Japan, and various major EC platforms in Europe. Gamers, get ready for the first taste of the next generation and embrace the glory of the new DDR5 era with TEAMGROUP.

TEAMGROUP ELITE U-DIMM DDR5 16GBX2 4800 MHz: MSRP $399.99.

For more information, visit the product page.
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35 Comments on Team Group Steps into the New DDR5 Era, Launches Team Elite DDR5 DIMM

#1
lynx29
$400. lmao. RIP PC builders for the DDR5 generation. that combined with gpu shortage = game over. good thing I most likely am going to get a PS5 this winter.
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#2
watzupken
No reason to jump over to DDR5 so soon. I feel its likely performance will actually regress in some cases. The increase in frequency is not great, but the increase in the memory timings is more than 2 fold.
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lynx29
watzupkenNo reason to jump over to DDR5 so soon. I feel its likely performance will actually regress in some cases. The increase in frequency is not great, but the increase in the memory timings is more than 2 fold.
what do you mean? it says the CAS latency for this ddr5 4800 is cas 40-40-40 which sounds horrible for gaming... and this is the $400 version... I shiver to think what the better tiers will cost.
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kayjay010101
lynx29what do you mean? it says the CAS latency for this ddr5 4800 is cas 40-40-40 which sounds horrible for gaming... and this is the $400 version... I shiver to think what the better tiers will cost.
Perhaps re-read their reply. They're saying it's a bad thing that the timings have increased.
It is worded a bit poorly though (why say 'but' when both statements are of the same connotation? It should be "The increase in frequency is not great, and the increase in the memory timings is more than 2 fold"), so I understand the confusion.
They did say the timings increased (an increase is bad, in this case) by over 2x, which lines up. DDR4 gaming DIMMs typically are CL18 or 20 (good DIMMs lower than that, of course, but I'm saying your average DIMM), 2x that is CL36 or 40.
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#5
lynx29
kayjay010101Perhaps re-read their reply. They're saying it's a bad thing that the timings have increased.
It is worded a bit poorly though (why say 'but' when both statements are of the same connotation? It should be "The increase in frequency is not great, and the increase in the memory timings is more than 2 fold"), so I understand the confusion.
They did say the timings increased (an increase is bad, in this case) by over 2x, which lines up. DDR4 gaming DIMMs typically are CL18 or 20 (good DIMMs lower than that, of course, but I'm saying your average DIMM), 2x that is CL36 or 40.
I get it now, lol

yep I just read it wrong. DDR5 kind of scares me a bit... I feel like its terrible design choice for the future, not sure what they are thinking honestly. it seems like a step back imo.
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kayjay010101
lynx29I get it now, lol

yep I just read it wrong. DDR5 kind of scares me a bit... I feel like its terrible design choice for the future, not sure what they are thinking honestly. it seems like a step back imo.
This is the very first iteration of it. DDR4 was also crap in 2014, but a couple years later and DDR4 really got to stretch its legs and catch up. We said the same things about DDR4 when Skylake transitioned to it as we do now about DDR5.
The JEDEC spec is just the very bottom of the stack of what DDR5 has to be able to do, and that's what this Team Group kit is. DDR5 will be slightly worse than DDR4 in the first year or two, but after that I'd expect it to be much better. This is just the awkward transition period.

This is also why I don't think Zen 4 still being DDR4 is such a large issue for AMD. AMD will probably manage to skim past most of the 'bad' stage of DDR5. Meanwhile Intel will go over to DDR5 with the next generation and people buying Intel will be forced to pay more for their memory, in exchange for less performance.
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#7
lynx29
kayjay010101This is the very first iteration of it. DDR4 was also crap in 2014, but a couple years later and DDR4 really got to stretch its legs and catch up. We said the same things about DDR4 when Skylake transitioned to it as we do now about DDR5.
The JEDEC spec is just the very bottom of the stack of what DDR5 has to be able to do, and that's what this Team Group kit is. DDR5 will be slightly worse than DDR4 in the first year or two, but after that I'd expect it to be much better. This is just the awkward transition period.

This is also why I don't think Zen 4 still being DDR4 is such a large issue for AMD. AMD will probably manage to skim past most of the 'bad' stage of DDR5. Meanwhile Intel will go over to DDR5 with the next generation and people buying Intel will be forced to pay more for their memory, in exchange for less performance.
I wasn't aware AMD would be doing ddr4 still with zen 4. hmm interesting, that is official or just you guessing?

and yes I am aware historically this is the way new ram iterations work, I just think its weird business model... lol
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#8
kayjay010101
lynx29I wasn't aware AMD would be doing ddr4 still with zen 4. hmm interesting, that is official or just you guessing?

and yes I am aware historically this is the way new ram iterations work, I just think its weird business model... lol
Sorry - I got stuff mixed up. Zen 3+, not Zen 4. Next gen is rumored to be Zen 3+ in 2022 and still be on AM4, which is obviously DDR4 and PCIe gen 4.
It's not until after that in 2023/2024 that Zen 4 will arrive on AM5 with DDR5 and PCIe gen 5.
That's just the rumors, so take this with the regulatory amount of sodium chloride.
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#9
stimpy88
16GBx2 of capacity at a frequency of 4800MHz @ CL40-40-40-77 - All for the low, low price of $400 - Wonderful!

I also love the misleading line of DDR4 caps out at 3200MHz... Yeah sure it does!

I'll put my DDR4 3800MHz CL14-14-14-14 against this crap anytime!

So far, DDR5 is a dissapoint... :D
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#10
Caring1
stimpy88I also love the misleading line of DDR4 caps out at 3200MHz... Yeah sure it does!

I'll put my DDR4 3800MHz CL14-14-14-14 against this crap anytime!
Default speed after clearing CMOS?
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#11
erocker
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stimpy8816GBx2 of capacity at a frequency of 4800MHz @ CL40-40-40-77 - All for the low, low price of $400 - Wonderful!

I also love the misleading line of DDR4 caps out at 3200MHz... Yeah sure it does!

I'll put my DDR4 3800MHz CL14-14-14-14 against this crap anytime!

So far, DDR5 is a dissapoint... :D
By the time it's actually relevant, 6400Mhz and similar latency to current DDR4, around 14ns will be the norm/standard.
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#12
ADB1979
"An on-die ECC (error correction code) included in the DRAM IC is also available for self-recovery of the DRAM unit, ensuring that DRAM systems with DDR5 can obtain higher levels of stability."

This is very misleading... This RAM is NOT ECC RAM.

This video explains the confusion about DDR 5 RAM and ECC.

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#13
stimpy88
Caring1Default speed after clearing CMOS?
And the point your trying to make is? I'm not spoonfeeding a troll that can't go on to any PC parts place, and buy a 3600/3800/4000MT/s DDR4 Cas14 kit.
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#14
ADB1979
stimpy88And the point your trying to make is? I'm not spoonfeeding a troll that can't go on to any PC parts place, and buy a 3600/3800/4000MT/s DDR4 Cas14 kit.
I just had a look here in the UK, and I would be looking at £206 for 3600 CL14, albeit I have only looked at three reputable retailers and only at 3600 speed, but that's an insane price for the small extra performance bump (on an AMD system, might be more beneficial on Intel) vs 3600 CL16 for £153, or CL18 for £83.

I have never seen any 4000 CL14 for sale in the UK from any reputable retailer ever, and I have looked just to see what insane price-tag it is going for, IMHO it is better (and far cheaper) to research RAM that will overclock in your system, buy it and overclock it, those that do not want to spend the time and effort will pay, and often through the nose.

Anyway, this thread is about DDR5. We all knew that the price-tag was going to be astronomical to start with, and this is the first price I have seen so far and it is literally insane. You could potentially justify if you were buyng it with a next gen CPU that was 20% faster that required it, but under what circumstances would that be justified.??? Unless Intel really pulls something out of the hat, at these prices the first gen DDR5 systems are DOA in my opinion with these RAM prices.!

I will be waiting for Zen 4 / Rocket Lake (or later) before buying a DDR5 based system.
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#15
Fatalfury
Things to remember when buying 1st generation new technology product.
1)its gonna be expensive.
2) it will more more refinement/ optimizations in future.
3) the consumer is literally the beta tester.

better to wait for atleast 2yrs before getting ddr5 ram when speeds/latencies are much better and avalaiblity,and compatiblity becomes much wider.
also the price should become more stable.
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#16
stimpy88
ADB1979I just had a look here in the UK, and I would be looking at £206 for 3600 CL14, albeit I have only looked at three reputable retailers and only at 3600 speed, but that's an insane price for the small extra performance bump (on an AMD system, might be more beneficial on Intel) vs 3600 CL16 for £153, or CL18 for £83.

I have never seen any 4000 CL14 for sale in the UK from any reputable retailer ever, and I have looked just to see what insane price-tag it is going for, IMHO it is better (and far cheaper) to research RAM that will overclock in your system, buy it and overclock it, those that do not want to spend the time and effort will pay, and often through the nose.

Anyway, this thread is about DDR5. We all knew that the price-tag was going to be astronomical to start with, and this is the first price I have seen so far and it is literally insane. You could potentially justify if you were buyng it with a next gen CPU that was 20% faster that required it, but under what circumstances would that be justified.??? Unless Intel really pulls something out of the hat, at these prices the first gen DDR5 systems are DOA in my opinion with these RAM prices.!

I will be waiting for Zen 4 / Rocket Lake (or later) before buying a DDR5 based system.
Yep, the prices are totally insane at the moment. I bought my 32GB kit before the craziness and paid about £170 for mine.

Have a look on G.Skills site, they have quite a few 4000MT/s CL14 kits, but yeah, at insane prices. The smart money is on buying any Samsung B-Die memory modules, and overclocking it. This can be done for far more reasonable prices.

At the moment, every manufacturer that has talked about their DDR5 products, has only offered the lowest tier stuff, with crazy high latencies (CL36+). This is not going to compete with a good DDR4 module with tight timings. DDR5 is going to take at least 2 years before it offers tangible performance benefits over good DDR4. Intel/AMD are really going to need a massive amount of L3 cache to offset the extreme latencies DDR5 seems to offer.

It's a shame that DDR5 is not a more major step up, as if we will be looking at 32 cores on the desktop, we will need quad channel DDR5 to feed it, and that's going to be expensive!

I'm hoping that Zen3+ will be a thing, and will let me sit out the next 2 or 3 years of DDR5 crappiness.
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#17
TranceHead
stimpy8816GBx2 of capacity at a frequency of 4800MHz @ CL40-40-40-77 - All for the low, low price of $400 - Wonderful!

I also love the misleading line of DDR4 caps out at 3200MHz... Yeah sure it does!

I'll put my DDR4 3800MHz CL14-14-14-14 against this crap anytime!

So far, DDR5 is a dissapoint... :D
They're talking about max JEDEC spec
And i think you'll find your timings are 14-14-14 with the RAS between 34 and 42 somewhere, but likely 14-14-14-38
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#18
jaszy
About CAS latencies....

There's currently a high density JEDEC DDR4 3200mhz kit with CL 22-22-22-52 timings offering competitive "gaming" performance with some of the most expensive overclocked DDR4 XMP kits on the market.

Why? It turns out high density sticks offer a significant performance boost when configured in 2DPC. SK HYNIX claims up to 31% over lower density sticks (8GB per rank) in internal marketing material, and that's on DDR4.

Maybe let the products hit reviewers before knocking it for specs?

As for price, yeah that's really expensive. What's worse is that the "lifetime" warranty has been downgraded to 3 years.
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#19
RedelZaVedno
DDR5 32 GB 4800 MHz starting at $399.99 ?!

SUCKERS COME TO MAMA. IT'S MILKING TIME!!!

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#20
yeeeeman
People, this is the FIRST, freaking FIRST DDR5 module on the market. This is like any other new thing on the market, it has a premium price tag, since it is new.
This is how economy works, not from today, but from the beginnings. So please, stop acting like idiots.

Now, moving on, there will be many more kits on the market in a few months time. With lower CL and higher frequencies, just have patience.
The prices are also inflated because of the current hardware situation.

Another point to make is that CL40 is not comparable to a CL40 DDR4 module, since this memory works at faster frequency.
Sure, the pinnacle of DDR4 memory kits will be faster than this first DDR5 variant, but things will improve. Just have freaking patience.

As much as you whine here, if Alder Lake launches in NOV, there will be plenty of people that will buy DDR5 kits at 400 bucks. If the performance will be good, then even more will do it, not just the ones that like to have the latest and greatest.
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#21
RedelZaVedno
yeeeemanPeople, this is the FIRST, freaking FIRST DDR5 module on the market. This is like any other new thing on the market, it has a premium price tag, since it is new.
This is how economy works, not from today, but from the beginnings. So please, stop acting like idiots.
Yeah, I agree, produced for suckers with more money than brain. People never learn, that's why we went from $700 halo product dGPU (1080TI) to $1,500 in just 4 years time (3090). Seems like A LOT of DIY PC builders like to get screwed by tech corporations.
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#22
Ahhzz
Gentlefolk, there are some Low Quality posts in this mess, and they will be treated accordingly shortly. I recommend strongly that you stick to the topic, treat each other respectfully, and act like adults, or points and reply bans will follow.
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#23
Minus Infinity
DDR5 5200 CAS 40 is similar to DDR4 2600 CAS 20, so yeah terrible specs and a joke of a price for such slow timings and clocks. Wake me when we get DDR5 6400 CAS 32/36.
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#24
TranceHead
Minus InfinityDDR5 5200 CAS 40 is similar to DDR4 2600 CAS 20, so yeah terrible specs and a joke of a price for such slow timings and clocks. Wake me when we get DDR5 6400 CAS 32/36.
They both have the same amount of latency time so the 5200 is faster
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#25
stimpy88
TranceHeadAnd i think you'll find your timings are 14-14-14 with the RAS between 34 and 42 somewhere, but likely 14-14-14-38
I think you will find my settings are missing a lot more numbers than what I initially typed. I can add the rest if you want to be pedantic about it? Just figured it would bore everyone to death, but as some here don't accept that somebody other than them might possibly know stuff, it seems anything less than every minute detail will result in people trying to high-five in the peanut gallery...

14-14-14-14-28-42-4-6-14-4-8-12-252-187-115-28-28-2-9-4-4-14-8-8-4-1-4-4-1-6-6-1-14553-218-8-19-26-2t
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