So they should, make good products nowadays.

AlwaysHopeSo they should, make good products nowadays.

Too bad they didnt stop the 1st phenom from launch. And then didnt hand design Bulldozer

eidairaman1Too bad they didnt stop the 1st phenom from launch. And then didnt hand design Bulldozer

Phenom was pretty good as a chip. Ruiz's stupidity to throw all company's resources in creating the first native quad core processor was the disaster. On the other hand, Intel used glue and that was the correct choice. The first Phenom was rushed and delayed at the same time, while it's true native quad core nature, didn't really offered any important gains to justify all the hype. Especially in an era where single thread was king, not because we have to push Intel in the top spot, but because the majority of software was single thread anyway.
Bulldozer, yes, it was a marketing failure. AMD's Pentium 4.

Arguably the biggest self goal was the decision to stay (be?) a node behind Intel. They were chasing leather (sporting term) ever since, till Zen came along!

You have to keep in mind, that AMD has poor presentability in laptop market.

Considering that, the real ratio how it has eaten the desktop/workstation/server market is very respectable.

Well done AMD. However, since 2006 ARM has come a long way, and I would go as far as to argue that it is now the predominant processor architecture. How AMD is going to transition from their current success in x86 will be a very interesting story in 2030 I think. I have no doubt that x86 will be a niche processor by then, the same way how POWER became niche.

FourstaffI have no doubt that x86 will be a niche processor by then, the same way how POWER became niche.

Nope :shadedshu:

RichardsIntel still dominates server and mobile market unquestioned leadership

you seem to be parroting Gelsinger but apart from that, that sentence is not even English...again...come on man

On the actual topic....great....now can they use this immense profit to maybe lower some (gpu) prices? ya know, bit like Epic giving back based on their tremendous succes?

FourstaffWell done AMD. However, since 2006 ARM has come a long way, and I would go as far as to argue that it is now the predominant processor architecture. How AMD is going to transition from their current success in x86 will be a very interesting story in 2030 I think. I have no doubt that x86 will be a niche processor by then, the same way how POWER became niche.

2006 called and wants its prediction back LOL. We've been hearing for a decade now how ARM is going to "dominate" the market in 5-10 years time, and in that decade we've gotten the surface X, which ran non optimized apps slwoer then a celeron. Wow, such performance, much dominance. Apple's M1 and it's M1 successor were so amazing they used intel xeons in the new macbook pro lineup.

COULD ARM dominate? Absolutely? Will it? Well, every attempt to make a high power ARM design has either failed or has not lived up to expectations, and even if apple figures it out, that's apple, they're a blip on the radar outside of mobile devices. ARM is dominant in mobile, but has never made a succesful jump to desktop outside of tightly controlled enviroments, like apple macbooks or that new russian machine. Once I can buy a ARM processor and stick it in a desktop motherboard it might have a chance.

john_Phenom was pretty good as a chip. Ruiz's stupidity to throw all company's resources in creating the first native quad core processor was the disaster. On the other hand, Intel used glue and that was the correct choice. The first Phenom was rushed and delayed at the same time, while it's true native quad core nature, didn't really offered any important gains to justify all the hype. Especially in an era where single thread was king, not because we have to push Intel in the top spot, but because the majority of software was single thread anyway.
Bulldozer, yes, it was a marketing failure. AMD's Pentium 4.

Even ignoring the quad core push, the pehom I was still a failure. At the same clock speed it was slower then the first gen core 2 duo, and it couldnt clock as high to boot. To make matters worse, the second gen core 2 design with the larger cache came out the same year.

Frighteningly low percentage, still, if you think of it. We're already at 5xxx

This goes to show you really need a long breath in your architecture and/or constant improvement. Intel failed doing that after a long time and started hurting for it. I hope AMD can keep this momentum and improvements in Zen.

Vayra86Frighteningly low percentage, still, if you think of it. We're already at 5xxx

This goes to show you really need a long breath in your architecture and/or constant improvement. Intel failed doing that after a long time and started hurting for it. I hope AMD can keep this momentum and improvements in Zen.

It takes awhile for the market to move. On the desktop zen was worse for gaming until the current gen, even if the difference was nto that great with zen 3000 people were not going to dump a functional desktop just to get a new one. CPUs age like wine these days.

The server and professional market is well entrenched, AMD's software suite still pales compared to intels. As that changes we see adoption increase, in addition to the sheer performance differenc egrowing too big to ignore.

I hope intel starts getting more competitive again, the price hikes lately from AMD completely wipe out the value proposition from their new hardware.

Vayra86Frighteningly low percentage, still, if you think of it. We're already at 5xxx

This goes to show you really need a long breath in your architecture and/or constant improvement.

Bingo! And this is where it gets hairy for AMD (and their many fanboys, or perhaps them even more so) - any head start they've head lately will be gone with Alder Lake and absolutely demolished with Meteor Lake (especially if the latter really does arrive before Zen4)

Always had intel-based PCs up until my last one, which I put together a while back with a 2400GE and couldn't be happier, does everything I need, no extra energy consumption of a unnecessary graphics card, vastly better graphics than the intel integrated graphics it replaced (or any current chip), unless something goes dramatically wrong with AMD, I won't be switching back.

But do you actually use that "vastly better" graphic capabilities? It's still not enough for any recent games at any respectable settings and if you don't game at all, then Intel's integrated gpus (recent ones, obviously, not the one you had before) are just as good and in some use cases better.

HenrySomeoneBut do you actually use that "vastly better" graphic capabilities? It's still not enough for any recent games at any respectable settings and if you don't game at all, then Intel's integrated gpus (recent ones, obviously, not the one you had before) are just as good and in some use cases better.

Nope

HenrySomeoneBingo! And this is where it gets hairy for AMD (and their many fanboys, or perhaps them even more so) - any head start they've head lately will be gone with Alder Lake and absolutely demolished with Meteor Lake (especially if the latter really does arrive before Zen4)

Weeell... lets see about that. Any post with fanboy in it loses a chunk of credibility to me. And then you even add 'demolished' for an even further away release. Clearly you havent paid attention.