Thursday, August 19th 2021

With 13th Gen "Raptor Lake-S," Intel Could Put 24 Cores in Your Desktop, But Mostly Small Cores

Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake-S" desktop processor could come with core counts as high as 24, overtaking AMD's number for mainstream desktops, for the first time since 2017. There is, however, a big catch, The 24-core chip could comprise of 8 "big" P-cores, and 16 "little" E-cores, according to a report by AdoredTV. The silicon features 8 "Raptor Cove" P-cores, which succeed "Golden Cove," introducing IPC and instruction-set improvements; while the type of low-power E-cores remains to be determined. AdoredTV predicts that the Core i9 brand extension could max out the silicon with 8+16 cores, while lower Core i7 SKUs could be 8+8 cores, and Core i5 6+8 cores. The TDP of Unlocked K SKUs could be rated at 125 W, and the other "locked" ones at 65 W.
Sources: VideoCardz, AdoredTV (YouTube)
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27 Comments on With 13th Gen "Raptor Lake-S," Intel Could Put 24 Cores in Your Desktop, But Mostly Small Cores

#1
Crackong
First pic doesn't have 6+0
Third pic has 6+0

So either one of them is fake, or both
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#2
TumbleGeorge
The title is not true. In my desktop has hardware chosen from me, not from Intel.
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#3
Melvis
16 Cores on main stream PC is crazy let alone 24........
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#4
z1n0x
I thought he retired?
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#5
Chaitanya
Melvis16 Cores on main stream PC is crazy let alone 24........
But these arent full fat x86 cores but rather small Atom cores. Yeah its stupid to put so many tiny Atom cores.
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#6
BSim500
AMD should respond by announcing a 1028 core CPU. That's 4x Ryzen cores + 1024 Commodore 64 cores, just to keep the mindless number-chasing marketing BS exercise going...
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#7
Richards
Intel is going all out to win the core wars.. this will work extremely well for marketing
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#8
dyonoctis
ChaitanyaBut these arent full fat x86 cores but rather small Atom cores. Yeah its stupid to put so many tiny Atom cores.
I'll wait for the final release before making my judgment, but if the leaks are true, those small cores are fast enough to give a noticeable edge in multi-thread applications. Not as fast as 24 big core, but if the price stay sane that might be a good compromise
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#9
qcmadness
dyonoctisI'll wait for the final release before making my judgment, but if the leaks are true, those small cores are fast enough to give a noticeable edge in multi-thread applications. Not as fast as 24 big core, but if the price stay sane that might be a good compromise
Are you sure that putting "Intel" and " price stay sane" in the same sentence makes sense?
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#10
ZoneDymo
more fud, I honestly fail to see the value in these "news" pieces myself
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#11
ppn
CrackongFirst pic doesn't have 6+0
Third pic has 6+0
the 6 core dies can have only 4 cores enabled on them.
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#12
docnorth
CrackongFirst pic doesn't have 6+0
Third pic has 6+0

So either one of them is fake, or both
There will be probably more configurations, like Alder Lake.
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#13
Chrispy_
The extra cores aren't really going to add too much performance for consumer workloads. Prosumer CPU rendering/encoding jobs might benefit more where power limits are the bottleneck but otherwise the limiting factor will always be the 8 'cove' cores.

What'll make a performance difference is the L3 cache. If the big Raptor Cove cores have fast access to the extra cache that putting more little Tremont cores brings, then the performance uplift will be there because of the extra cache.

NGL, Cache is what made Zen2 so much better than Zen1, and it's why AMD are going to add even more cache to the next iteration of Zen3.
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#14
Vayra86
RichardsIntel is going all out to win the core wars.. this will work extremely well for marketing
Doubtful, all we need is a broadly carried story that the new Intel cores are fake cores. The damage is easy to do and I'm waiting for the first Tuber to do it.

In a general sense, I'm hoping we get a nice review on this and can distill some simple one liners to get the point across. That is - IF those atom cores are as shit as I think they are :D
dyonoctisI'll wait for the final release before making my judgment, but if the leaks are true, those small cores are fast enough to give a noticeable edge in multi-thread applications. Not as fast as 24 big core, but if the price stay sane that might be a good compromise
Compromise for what use case exactly on MSDT?
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#15
londiste
dyonoctisI'll wait for the final release before making my judgment, but if the leaks are true, those small cores are fast enough to give a noticeable edge in multi-thread applications. Not as fast as 24 big core, but if the price stay sane that might be a good compromise
The efficiency in terms of performance per die space/power is pretty good and IIRC latest Atoms are clock-for-clock somewhere in the range of Skylake/Zen in terms of general performance (for heavy and FP load, bigger cores will still beat it). Having used a 4-core Atom for a while as an Internet browsing machine, provided that some otherwise heavy tasks like video decryption are done on hardware, these are perfectly capable for normal usage.

The marketing aspect of number of cores is a different matter though. We will have to wait and see about how this will be addressed.
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#16
R0H1T
dyonoctisbut if the price stay sane that might be a good compromise
Do you remember the pricing with Rocket lake or Tiger lake? Why do you think it will be saner? Given that an i9 11900k is actually a step back with 8c/16t vs 10c/20t previous gen, TGL is also at least marginally expensive than ICL.
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#17
dyonoctis
Vayra86Doubtful, all we need is a broadly carried story that the new Intel cores are fake cores. The damage is easy to do and I'm waiting for the first Tuber to do it.

In a general sense, I'm hoping we get a nice review on this and can distill some simple one liners to get the point across. That is - IF those atom cores are as shit as I think they are :D



Compromise for what use case exactly on MSDT?
I'm doing 3D rendering, but I haven't reached a point where I can spend 900€ into a 5950x yet. Assuming that the i9 Alder lake is indeed slightly faster than a 5950x and that Intel keep the price at 659€, it's not a bad deal, especially since zen 4 isn't going to be a thing until we are well into 2022, and zen 5 will also come well after Raptor lake.

But since those are rumors, I'm waiting before making any definitive claims, don't ping me if those end up being overpriced disappointment :D
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#18
BorisDG
Thanks Intel, but I have already 14 BIG cores.
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#19
Upgrayedd
Haven't seen anyone mention it but it looks like the big cores will have hyper threading while the smaller cores do not
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#20
dir_d
This may sound like a stupid question but do the small cores have hyper threading?
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#21
TumbleGeorge
Intel Atom series has not HT in its history. Small cores in ADL is with latest(in practice latest released) Atom architecture+3 instructions never before activated in...hmm consumer class Atom's. RTL looks like just refresh of ADL with added more Atom cores.
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#23
defaultluser
TumbleGeorgeIntel Atom series has not HT in its history. Small cores in ADL is with latest(in practice latest released) Atom architecture+3 instructions never before activated in...hmm consumer class Atom's. RTL looks like just refresh of ADL with added more Atom cores.
Yeah, just because they''re adding AVX2 to these new Atom cores won't suddenly make them beefcakes. The decoder on Gracemont looks exactly the same as Tremont, and the only massive change to the rest of the arch is doubling the vector width.

They will still be lower-clocked, and without HT to keep-up-with cache misses.
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#24
dalekdukesboy
BSim500AMD should respond by announcing a 1028 core CPU. That's 4x Ryzen cores + 1024 Commodore 64 cores, just to keep the mindless number-chasing marketing BS exercise going...
:roll::roll::roll:"Commodore 64 cores" that was great :).
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#25
Vayra86
dir_dThis may sound like a stupid question but do the small cores have hyper threading?
No
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