Thursday, August 26th 2021

NVIDIA Readying GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER, A Fully Unlocked GA102 with 400W Power?

NVIDIA is readying the GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER, the first "SUPER" series model from the RTX 30-series, following a recent round of "Ti" refreshes for its product stack. According to kopite7kimi and Greymon55, who each have a high strike-rate with NVIDIA rumors, the RTX 3090 SUPER could finally max-out the 8 nm "GA102" silicon on which nearly all high-end models from this NVIDIA GeForce generation are based. A fully unlocked GA102 comes with 10,752 CUDA cores, 336 Tensor cores, 84 RT cores, 336 TMUs, and 112 ROPs. The RTX 3090 stops short of maxing this out, with its 10,496 CUDA cores.

NVIDIA's strategy with the alleged RTX 3090 SUPER will be to not only max out the GA102 silicon, with its 10,752 CUDA cores, but also equip it with the fastest possible GDDR6X memory variant, which ticks at 21 Gbps data-rate, compared to 19.5 Gbps on the RTX 3090, and 19 Gbps on the RTX 3080 and RTX 3080 Ti. At this speed, across the chip's 384-bit wide memory bus, the RTX 3090 SUPER will enjoy 1 TB/s of memory bandwidth. Besides more CUDA cores, it's possible that the GPU Boost frequency could be increased. All this comes at a cost, though, with Greymon55 predicting a total graphics power (TGP) of at least 400 W, compared to 350 W of the RTX 3090. A product launch is expected within 2021.
Sources: Greymon55 (Twitter), kopite7kimi (Twitter), WCCFTech
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99 Comments on NVIDIA Readying GeForce RTX 3090 SUPER, A Fully Unlocked GA102 with 400W Power?

#51
Dr. Dro
MentalAcetylideheh, all of us are, but I'm sure NVidia still has a few spare horse carcasses to kick around in the Ampere ring, much to the profit & entertainment of the Huang Dynasty. Afterall, there are plenty of numbers/letters/names that can follow 30xx, although I can't say the same for the fab materials. :laugh:
I mean, short of calling this a "Titan A" and leaving NVLink + full hashrate present or something of the sort, I don't think there's any space left in the GeForce stack or any logical business reasoning behind a 3090 Super. There is a limit to what the market is prepared to spend, even in these troubled times, even the richest guys out there don't exactly fancy throwing money in a fire pit, even at the height of scalped pricing, the 3090 never really exceeded the Titan V's MSRP, while still being a much faster and advanced processor than that not-so-old Volta behemoth.

Besides, TPU benchmark data shows the 3080 Ti performs 99.5% of the 3090 already, and having one I can tell you that unless you have a model that can draw well above 600W, you can't quantify any meaningful performance increase beyond closing the gap between the shipped and the rated memory speed with one.

The honest truth that may make many NVIDIA fans sad is that this eventual card would never achieve what it would set out to do: make Ampere retain the crown in any titles where the 6900 XT beats the 3090, in those, AMD's performance advantage overcomes anything that's left in any GA102 type at any clock speed, feasible for 24/7 usage or not.
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#52
YOUDIEMOFO
Already have a "SUPER" because I've clocked mine way higher. But the cuda cores aren't even worth it either it's not that much more.

And still need some exotic cooling for sure pushing that realm of TDP. I've gotta waterblock from Optimus. Couldn't imagine without it!!
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#53
Minus Infinity
Guaranteed to hit $4K in Australia. Really can't believe the point of this release. How many wafers do they get that are perfect and they want to waste them on an ultra niche product. Rather why don't they start from scratch and relaunch Ampere with a fresh line-up:

Note DDR6X is now cheaper than DDR6
3060 6GB/12GB $269/$319
3060 TI 8GB DDR6X 17GB/s 256bit $379
3070 Super 8GB DDR6X 17GB/s 256 bit $459
3070 Ti GA102 10GB $599 ~ 7000 cuda cores (replaces 3080 bit lower performance)
3080 TI 12GB $799
3090 24GB $1299
3090 Super 24GB $1599
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#54
MentalAcetylide
Dr. DroI mean, short of calling this a "Titan A" and leaving NVLink + full hashrate present or something of the sort, I don't think there's any space left in the GeForce stack or any logical business reasoning behind a 3090 Super. There is a limit to what the market is prepared to spend, even in these troubled times, even the richest guys out there don't exactly fancy throwing money in a fire pit, even at the height of scalped pricing, the 3090 never really exceeded the Titan V's MSRP, while still being a much faster and advanced processor than that not-so-old Volta behemoth.

Besides, TPU benchmark data shows the 3080 Ti performs 99.5% of the 3090 already, and having one I can tell you that unless you have a model that can draw well above 600W, you can't quantify any meaningful performance increase beyond closing the gap between the shipped and the rated memory speed with one.

The honest truth that may make many NVIDIA fans sad is that this eventual card would never achieve what it would set out to do: make Ampere retain the crown in any titles where the 6900 XT beats the 3090, in those, AMD's performance advantage overcomes anything that's left in any GA102 type at any clock speed, feasible for 24/7 usage or not.
I don't see any "Titan" equivalent coming out for the 3000 series. If a true Titan equivalent were ever to crop up later, I would expect it to have more than 24Gb VRAM and at least 2k-3k more CUDA cores & takes up 3 or more PCI-e slots. It would be nice, but the power draw would be insane.

Anyway, I think they need to start thinking outside of the box. These cards just keep on getting bigger and bigger and requiring more and more power. With this noted pattern, in the future we might not be gaming on desktops anymore the way we are now.
Minus InfinityGuaranteed to hit $4K in Australia. Really can't believe the point of this release. How many wafers do they get that are perfect and they want to waste them on an ultra niche product. Rather why don't they start from scratch and relaunch Ampere with a fresh line-up:

Note DDR6X is now cheaper than DDR6
3060 6GB/12GB $269/$319
3060 TI 8GB DDR6X 17GB/s 256bit $379
3070 Super 8GB DDR6X 17GB/s 256 bit $459
3070 Ti GA102 10GB $599 ~ 7000 cuda cores (replaces 3080 bit lower performance)
3080 TI 12GB $799
3090 24GB $1299
3090 Super 24GB $1599
They don't need the in-between "Ti" crap. Just get rid of all Ti's, increase the price of the 3090's by 1.5 times, and lower the price accordingly for all of the cards below the 3090.
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#55
watzupken
It is going to be the dumbest refresh ever. The improvement is going to be very small. I am sure the increase power limit is just so that the card can boost and maintain a higher clock speed to paint a better picture of the pathetic hardware improvement.
Minus InfinityGuaranteed to hit $4K in Australia. Really can't believe the point of this release. How many wafers do they get that are perfect and they want to waste them on an ultra niche product. Rather why don't they start from scratch and relaunch Ampere with a fresh line-up:

Note DDR6X is now cheaper than DDR6
3060 6GB/12GB $269/$319
3060 TI 8GB DDR6X 17GB/s 256bit $379
3070 Super 8GB DDR6X 17GB/s 256 bit $459
3070 Ti GA102 10GB $599 ~ 7000 cuda cores (replaces 3080 bit lower performance)
3080 TI 12GB $799
3090 24GB $1299
3090 Super 24GB $1599
The prices that you mentioned, are unlikely to happen unfortunately. And I am not surprise that GDDR6X is cheaper than GDDR6 now given the fact that that GDDR6X have limited use as compared to GDDR6 which is widely used, which means demand is higher on the latter. However, between GDDR6X and GDDR6, I would gladly go for the GDDR6 since the former is a power hog and really isn't significantly faster than the fastest GDDR6 @ 18Gbps. This is evident when you consider the existing RTX 3070 vs 3070 Ti. I own a RTX 3070 Ti because I can't get a 3070, and even after under clocking the VRAM, I don't see significant lost in performance in games. I do see drops in benchmark scores, but again, I don't really care about benchmark results.
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#56
joey121215
RithsomAt least 400W? Get ready for more stories of burnt-out RAM chips and PCIe power cords...

Once upon a time people actually cared about not turning their PCs into self-destructing ovens... :shadedshu:
The 3090 already draws over 400w on a regular basis, if you know how to build a PC you're not gonna have those issues. If you are burning out your ram and power cables, you designed a system with poor airflow and were way more concerned about the aesthetic than the performance. Probably also too obsessed with getting one good part that you could flash around as having and bought a cheap power block/ cables that used low grade metals and cables, or went for a lower wattage power supply than you should. You can't just shove an enthusiasts level part into a mid range system.
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#57
matar
Nvidia is like oh there is still a little drop in the honey jar and we cant though that away...
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#58
joey121215
xorbe400W, this is out of control. Some of these prebuilt PCs can no longer be shipped to some states because they use too much estimated power per year.
Yet another reason to not go pre-built
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#59
Caring1
400W of baking powa, takes twice as long as your basic 800W microwave.
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#60
Rithsom
joey121215The 3090 already draws over 400w on a regular basis, if you know how to build a PC you're not gonna have those issues. If you are burning out your ram and power cables, you designed a system with poor airflow and were way more concerned about the aesthetic than the performance. Probably also too obsessed with getting one good part that you could flash around as having and bought a cheap power block/ cables that used low grade metals and cables, or went for a lower wattage power supply than you should. You can't just shove an enthusiasts level part into a mid range system.
You're entitled to your opinion, and that's fine. If flagship performance is worth putting up with 400+ watts of power consumption to you, feel free to buy a 3090 Super when it comes out. I won't stop you. To me it's just not worth it, regardless of whether the card is prone to frying itself or not. On top of that, as you pointed out, a great deal of effort must be made to keep the card safely cooled and powered. With Ampere, it's a great deal of effort that wasn't necessary for previous generations of cards.
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#61
MentalAcetylide
RithsomYou're entitled to your opinion, and that's fine. If flagship performance is worth putting up with 400+ watts of power consumption to you, feel free to buy a 3090 Super when it comes out. I won't stop you. To me it's just not worth it, regardless of whether the card is prone to frying itself or not. On top of that, as you pointed out, a great deal of effort that must be made to keep the card safely cooled and powered. With Ampere, it's a great deal of effort that wasn't necessary for previous generations of cards.
I wouldn't respond. It looks like the new user might be randomly quoting or possibly trolling people, because I have no clue what he's quoting me about since it doesn't seem to jive from a disagreeing or agreeing perspective with the entirety of the post they quoted from me.
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#62
ExcuseMeWtf
People: "Nvidia's release of 3070Ti and 3080Ti is tone-deaf, we need affordable mainstream GPUs"

Nvidia: "Hold my beer"
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#63
Vya Domus
Dr. DroI, for one, am very skeptical about this. First, why would they remove the NVLink capability? It was already only present on the 3090 to begin with, the 3080 didn't have it and the 3080 Ti followed suit.
The 3090 is often the targeted by consumers that want to use it for compute because of the memory size, NVLink is essentially worthless for gaming but relevant for compute. I guess that Nvidia no longer wants people to "cheap out" on 3090s and shell out even more money for a Quadro.
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#64
medi01
I wanna hear what people whining about 6600XT MSRP have to say about this... :D
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#65
Bronan
Hahaha another paper launch with a few lucky people ever getting any of them or be filthy rich to buy a computer store to get a few
Or become victim of the hundreds of scalpers becoming rich on the people really wanting to pay 1+ million zero's % too much on the new card
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#66
Tardian
rutra80Will they accept a house as a payment?
How big? How much land? Where?;)

At least this will be used for gaming as the hashrate/$ ratio is shit!:kookoo:
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#67
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
rutra80Will they accept a house as a payment?
Sorry bro, your house ain't worth enough. :laugh:
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#69
MentalAcetylide
BronanHahaha another paper launch with a few lucky people ever getting any of them or be filthy rich to buy a computer store to get a few
Or become victim of the hundreds of scalpers becoming rich on the people really wanting to pay 1+ million zero's % too much on the new card
I would like to see that happen. Sure, they'll make money no doubt, but they will also find themselves in a higher tax bracket. If they're not already rich, they're certainly not going to become rich scalping graphics cards. Its probably even more difficult for the majority of the scalpers to buy them in bulk for selling than it is for us to get a single one.
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#70
Simplykt0420
I bet they could make at least 3 3060s or 3070 out of one 3090 waffer... its stupid to make a highend gpu 10 percent better than there already expensive flagship.... they would make more people happy making lower level gpus...
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#71
InVasMani
This card alone would max out my PSU's rated wattage better not overclock it.
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#72
Prima.Vera
nGreedia milking to the last cent. Sorry, last CUDA core....
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#73
windwhirl
Prima.VeranGreedia milking to the last cent. Sorry, last CUDA core....
Consider that GIF borrowed :laugh:
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#74
joey121215
Lmao y'all are great pc enthusiasts, bench about enthusiast level cards just because you can't afford them. I can't afford a Lamborghini either, but I don't complain about the price I just appreciate the craftsmanship. If you don't want them to make 3090 supers than y'all really don't want lower grade cards either.

Whatever done with this forum. Got too many games to play on my 3090/5950x
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#75
Dr. Dro
joey121215Lmao y'all are great pc enthusiasts, bench about enthusiast level cards just because you can't afford them. I can't afford a Lamborghini either, but I don't complain about the price I just appreciate the craftsmanship. If you don't want them to make 3090 supers than y'all really don't want lower grade cards either.

Whatever done with this forum. Got too many games to play on my 3090/5950x
Are you implying you're the only one here that has a 3090 and a 5950X? If we're "complaining" it's because it's senseless from more perspectives than one. Being an enthusiast definitely isn't about just buying whatever overpriced slop just because, quite contrary, we're lovers of technology here. And such product, as stated by the leaker, is a regression against the existing RTX 3090 model in more ways than one, while not offering anything new for the vast sum of money that it would cost.
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