Then again, here is another story.
appuals.com/ryzen-8000-hybrid-architecture/

cellar doorAll of a sudden I have the urge to sell my 5800X...

I don't think you need to, though.

NanochipBut the E-cores also beat Skylake in many tasks according to the same article. But the key point and consideration that seems to escape you is: the power consumption of the 8 E-cores vs the 4 Skylake cores... for less power and die area, you get roughly the same performance. As intel upgrades its E-core architectures with crestmont, skymont, and darkmont, they'll maximize performance per watt per die area. Which is a good thing to do. If you were to take the 8 Alder Lake P-cores and add 4 Skylake Cores (rather than 8 Gracemont E-Cores), power consumption would go through the roof.

People will believe whatever they want because Intel can mislead the naive with single E core Cinebench runs. Meanwhile I can load up Blender, get only a 10 percent boost with the 12600k over the 12600, with the 4 extra E cores. 10 percent. E cores are HORRIBLY inconsistent. If I had 4 more P cores meanwhile I get 10/6= 66 percent more performance because they can actually work together properly.

66 percent / 10 percent per core means in this case with Blender the P cores are 6.6 times faster per core. An E core doesn't even contribute 1/6 of an Alder lake P core, it happens all the time. Don't buy the hype.

I did a benchmark with Corona and got a 22 percent speed boost with the 12600k. That means each P core does 66 percent / 22 percent = 3 times, ie E core does 1/3 of a P core. Still not near half or equal to a Skylake core.

I think Intel intentionally didn't release the 12600 and 12600K at the same time because it put to lie the E cores being good. No reviews mentioned it because the 12600 wasn't available. You can't just disable P cores and use affinity and get accurate numbers on launch day, but now you can easily compare 12600k versus 12600 and the e cores look terrible. And the 12600k has cache and clock speed advantages so the E cores are actually even a bit worse than those comparisons imply also.

Frank_100Then again, here is another story.
appuals.com/ryzen-8000-hybrid-architecture/

And that is totally different than E cores. That is Zen5 + Zen4 P cores together. P + P. Not dumb E cores that don't function right half the time.

What @Garrus wrote is very interesting.
Can someone else with AL confirm that?

AM4isGODusual anti intel crap on TPU. Buy AMD and join the bashing, or ignore it and move on.

Oh don’t get me wrong. Intel is one big dumpster fire with massive failures across every area of the company right now. I wouldn’t touch any Intel product with a pole of infinite length. BUT the comments on their BIG.little setup are just irrational. It’s the same stupid crap as Intel’s glue statements about chiplets. Alder and Raptor Lake are rare wins for a company circling the drain due to its own incompetence.

Even though the performance of the E cores might not be great, there is no denying the ADL arch is pretty powerful even if it does like some say use nuclear fuel to power it. Even with just the P cores, ADL is still pretty good, so they are on the right track.

3D cache saved ryzen imo, now that is all everyone goes on about and all they want, possibly even skipping non 3D to wait for the 3D releases of AM5.

Amd is ahead for now with the help of TSMC, but even given Intels mistakes, don't count them out, they have money and their own FABS to play with.

AM4isGODEven though the performance of the E cores might not be great, there is no denying the ADL arch is pretty powerful even if it does like some say use nuclear fuel to power it. Even with just the P cores, ADL is still pretty good, so they are on the right track.

3D cache saved ryzen imo, now that is all everyone goes on about and all they want, possibly even skipping non 3D to wait for the 3D releases of AM5.

Amd is ahead for now with the help of TSMC, but even given Intels mistakes, don't count them out, they have money and their own FABS to play with.

No one should count anyone out. The second half of this year is going to see the release of some massive titans:

Radeon RX 7000 series up to 12,888 cores v. Geforce RTX 4000 series up to 17,920 cores

Ryzen 7000 series up to 5.85 GHz clocks v. Core 13xxx series up to 5.8 GHz clocks

It’s gonna be a great time to build a new PC which is what I’m doing. My Coffee Lake, RDNA1 PC is no longer cutting it for me.

DavenNo one should count anyone out. The second half of this year is going to see the release of some massive titans:

Radeon RX 7000 series up to 12,888 cores v. Geforce RTX 4000 series up to 17,920 cores

Ryzen 7000 series up to 5.85 GHz clocks v. Core 13xxx series up to 5.8 GHz clocks

It’s gonna be a great time to build a new PC which is what I’m doing. My Coffee Lake, RDNA1 PC is no longer cutting it for me.

My 12700k is fine tbh, had zero issues with it. Don't know whether to keep it and get a raptor lake CPU, or ditch it and go AM5.

AM4isGODMy 12700k is fine tbh, had zero issues with it. Don't know whether to keep it and get a raptor lake CPU, or ditch it and go AM5.

Have you tried 5800X3D, and do you have any comparison anecdotally with 12700K? I am interested in both of these CPUs.

VarioHave you tried 5800X3D, and do you have any comparison anecdotally with 12700K? I am interested in both of these CPUs.

It's pointless to invest on AM4 now. No matter how good the 5800X3D is.

You get AM5 or Intel 13xx. Or Intel 12xx if you need to buy NOW and it can't be postponed.

gffermariIt's pointless to invest on AM4 now. No matter how good the 5800X3D is.

You get AM5 or Intel 13xx. Or Intel 12xx if you need to buy NOW and it can't be postponed.

I figure the price will drop on these two processors into budget range soon, and I'd reuse my DDR4 kit, that is reason for my interest, otherwise I'd go for next platform if compelling.

gffermariIt's pointless to invest on AM4 now. No matter how good the 5800X3D is.

You get AM5 or Intel 13xx. Or Intel 12xx if you need to buy NOW and it can't be postponed.

Either AM4 now or AM5 in several years - let give AMD time to polish the new DDR5 platform. I am quite sure it will have immaturities in the first 12-18 months, at least.

ARFI don't think you need to, though.

It really is not up to you if I want to upgrade or not..

cellar doorIt really is not up to you if I want to upgrade or not..

Yeah, but people upgrade when they are unhappy. The Ryzen 7 5800X is still one of the best and fastest CPUs out there, so your reasoning is quite controversial for now.
Do you see any bottlenecks with it or what?

ARFYeah, but people upgrade when they are unhappy. The Ryzen 7 5800X is still one of the best and fastest CPUs out there, so your reasoning is quite controversial for now.
Do you see any bottlenecks with it or what?

So what? I can upgrade whenever I want to, if I have the means to do so - I don't have to justify my reasoning to you. Leave your angry emojis for your own posts.

VarioI figure the price will drop on these two processors into budget range soon, and I'd reuse my DDR4 kit, that is reason for my interest, otherwise I'd go for next platform if compelling.

I still don't see a 12700k dropping into budget range. Even with Raptor Lake coming, the 12700k is not a budget CPU, as it was only 1 SKU behind the 12900k

cellar doorSo what? I can upgrade whenever I want to, if I have the means to do so - I don't have to justify my reasoning to you. Leave your angry emojis for your own posts.

Why are you getting so angry? Upgrade if you want to. All he is saying is your CPU is still pretty good. If it is not doing it for you any more, then upgrade, it is your choice.

All in all, I don't like AMD's decision to release the same 16 cores / 32 logical processors but heavily overclocked up to 170 watts and higher.
Instead, I would have designed a 24-core / 48-logical processor to replace the flagship...

I guess AMD is all about profit margins today.


Meanwhile, the flagship will probably hit 6 GHz.

Starting with the flagship of them all, we have the AMD Ryzen 9 7950X which retains its healthy 16 core and 32 thread count from the previous two generations. The CPU will feature an impressive base frequency of 4.5 GHz and a boost clock of up to 5.7 GHz which should make it 200 MHz faster than Intel's Alder Lake Core i9-12900KS which has a boost frequency of 5.5 GHz on a single-core.

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Flagship Zen 4 CPU Can Hit Up To 5.85 GHz Clocks (wccftech.com)

ARFMeanwhile, the flagship will probably hit 6 GHz.

So a great gaming CPU then :roll:

AM4isGODSo a great gaming CPU then :roll:

Yes, but intel's micro-architectures have been better suited for lower resolution gaming which is sensitive to faster CPUs...
You know ring bus and all those things which made it really hard for AMD to catch for several years...

But for 2160p gaming, there is no problem even with a Ryzen 7 5800X, I presume...

ARFYes, but intel's micro-architectures have been better suited for lower resolution gaming which is sensitive to faster CPUs...
You know ring bus and all those things which made it really hard for AMD to catch for several years...

But for 2160p gaming, there is no problem even with a Ryzen 7 5800X, I presume...

I was joking about people using a 6ghz CPU for gaming lol.

How long till minimum requirements are 6ghz CPU and 4090ti along with 64gb ram and a PCIe 5 NVME /s

AM4isGODI still don't see a 12700k dropping into budget range. Even with Raptor Lake coming, the 12700k is not a budget CPU, as it was only 1 SKU behind the 12900k



Why are you getting so angry? Upgrade if you want to. All he is saying is your CPU is still pretty good. If it is not doing it for you any more, then upgrade, it is your choice.

I'm not getting angry - however the person left me an angry emoji and they trying to chastise me, as if I need their approval for a cpu upgrade. Now you are stepping in all surprised that I told them what I think about that... thumbs up emoji!

TropickYou're not kidding, It feels great, been waiting for this moment since FX. Finally the two titans are in a proper arms race again, AMD pushing the hi-cache chiplet route and Intel hitting back with their split P+E architecture. Exciting times.

People need to take a step back from their brand loyalty for a second and just appreciate the pace of innovation we've been seeing here lately. So many are quick to forget (or even think fondly of) the stagnation we saw in the early to mid 2010s. AMD's weak heavy machinery architectures paving the way for Intel to begin resting on their laurels put the industry on its ass for way too long. Feels so good to see the two firing on all cylinders in the CPU space again. Here's to hoping we see a proper K6 vs. Pentium era once again!

Are we forgetting the Intel shenanigans that caused that stagnation?

AM4isGODI was joking about people using a 6ghz CPU for gaming lol.

How long till minimum requirements are 6ghz CPU and 4090ti along with 64gb ram and a PCIe 5 NVME /s

A long while on the ram. At 8K/16K perhaps, but we're not there yet I mean 8K exists if you're Bill Gates still pushing for 640K resolution because it's all you need for memories really high definition ones.

trsttteIt's still only 8 cores vs 16 cores, there would need to be some absurd uplift for that to happen

But it's the same price bracket and that's all that matters.

springs113Are we forgetting the Intel shenanigans that caused that stagnation?

Intel shenanigans?!? :rolleyes: You mean the ones that caused AyyyMD to bring out the Faildozer trainwreck? And to keep hold of it for 6 years?

This is a very good story about the intel shenanigans: