Thursday, November 3rd 2022
AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Performance Claims Extrapolated, Performs Within Striking Distance of RTX 4090
AMD on Thursday launched the Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT RDNA3 graphics cards. With these, the company claims to have repeated its feat of a 50+ percent performance/Watt gain over the previous-generation, which propelled the RX 6000-series to competitiveness with NVIDIA's fastest RTX 30-series SKUs. AMD's performance claims for the Radeon RX 7900 XTX put the card at anywhere between 50% to 70% faster than the company's current flagship, the RX 6950 XT, when tested at 4K UHD resolution. Digging through these claims, and piecing together relevant information from the Endnotes, HXL was able to draw an extrapolated performance comparison between the RX 7900 XTX, the real-world tested RTX 4090, and previous-generation flagships RTX 3090 Ti and RX 6950 XT.
The graphs put the Radeon RX 7900 XTX menacingly close to the GeForce RTX 4090. In Watch_Dogs Legion, the RTX 4090 is 6.4% faster than the RX 7900 XTX. Cyberpunk 2077 and Metro Exodus see the two cards evenly matched, with a delta under 1%. The RTX 4090 is 4.4% faster with Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (2022). Accounting for the pinch of salt usually associated with launch-date first-party performance claims; the RX 7900 XTX would end up within 5-10% of the RTX 4090, but pricing changes everything. The RTX 4090 is a $1,599 (MSRP) card, whereas the RX 7900 XTX is $999. Assuming the upcoming RTX 4080 (16 GB) is around 10% slower than the RTX 4090; the main clash for this generation will be between the RTX 4080 and RX 7900 XTX. Even here, AMD gets ahead with pricing, as the RTX 4080 was announced with an MSRP of $1,199 (exactly 20% pricier than the RX 7900 XTX). With the FSR 3.0 Fluid Motion announcement, AMD also blunted NVIDIA's DLSS 3 Frame Generation performance advantage.
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The graphs put the Radeon RX 7900 XTX menacingly close to the GeForce RTX 4090. In Watch_Dogs Legion, the RTX 4090 is 6.4% faster than the RX 7900 XTX. Cyberpunk 2077 and Metro Exodus see the two cards evenly matched, with a delta under 1%. The RTX 4090 is 4.4% faster with Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II (2022). Accounting for the pinch of salt usually associated with launch-date first-party performance claims; the RX 7900 XTX would end up within 5-10% of the RTX 4090, but pricing changes everything. The RTX 4090 is a $1,599 (MSRP) card, whereas the RX 7900 XTX is $999. Assuming the upcoming RTX 4080 (16 GB) is around 10% slower than the RTX 4090; the main clash for this generation will be between the RTX 4080 and RX 7900 XTX. Even here, AMD gets ahead with pricing, as the RTX 4080 was announced with an MSRP of $1,199 (exactly 20% pricier than the RX 7900 XTX). With the FSR 3.0 Fluid Motion announcement, AMD also blunted NVIDIA's DLSS 3 Frame Generation performance advantage.
164 Comments on AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX Performance Claims Extrapolated, Performs Within Striking Distance of RTX 4090
I like the 7900XT reference design. I/O plate looks like it's got a good amount of attachment points to a rigid-looking cooler, unlike most TUF cards (saggy garbage). Preventing sag starts at the I/O plate.
And the USB-C port is a nice bonus both as a data port and for KVM on Gigabyte monitors. To this day I still don't understand why Nvidia got rid of it. So what if there weren't mamy VR users? I'd much rather have one than an extra DP or HDMI.
So yes, Freesync/G-Sync works over USB-C cables.
By pricing the 7900 cards aggressively like this, they make it A LOT MORE difficult for nVidia to get rid of those cards, which is why stuff like this is already happening.
AMD is in a position to make it VERY HARD for nVidia to get rid of that inventory: if they make their 6000 series cards EVEN CHEAPER than they are now and NOT BY A LITTLE, they MAY be able to clear out THEIR OWN inventory of 6000 series cards which they too have (though nowhere near to the extent of nVidia's).
Should AMD opt to go this route, it won't be cheap for them and would MOST CERTAINLY greatly reduce their profits BUT, it would also substantially increase their market share in the process WHILE forcing nVidia to resort to SERIOUS price cuts themselves in order to get rid of their own current inventories, but this would cost A LOT MORE to nVidia than it would to AMD (my guess would be around 10 times more).
An approach like this would be MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE if the 7900 series were to match (or more) the 4090 @ least in raster but that appears not to be the case and, as expected, they still trail in RT.
Speaking of RT: does it seem like they closed the gap a bit, or do you guys think it has increased further?
If you play rFactor 2 in VR or with a triple screen and money isn't a problem, why not? You can always sell your old 3090 and recover some money.
It should still be pretty acceptably preforming to a lot of people on these cards, but I believe the trend of "if RT matters to you, buy Nvidia" continuing.
Seems like a pretty fun split of iT's a GiMmIcK vs why would I spent $900+ on a GPU that sucks at it?
Given Ampere already did RT acceptably to many people, myself included, RDNA3 should allow a lot more AMD users to try it out without utterly crumbling FPS.
I think its amazing how AMD have bounced back with the GPU performance. Of course, I'll wait to see TPUs and W1zzards review of it...
Nvidia is sitting on stockpiles of 30xx cards, that's why they are dropping 40xx cards in homeopathic doses, pricing them like gold, labeling 4070's as 4080's, .... so it totally would fit into the picture that they also create an artificial shortage of 4080 supplies to keep 30xx prices up (paper launch). Just common sense, it's a pattern. What's there to disagree?
Let's wait and see.
How can you spin that in a presentation?
Even though it's an amazing product, if what was shown is true, there is still that built-in "meh, but it's not as halo as that €2300+ halo from that other manufacturer".
I don't recall that 12900k comparison.
www.techpowerup.com/img/PXyv3fznZUC75Ucj.jpg
and the list of Vendors coming with DP 2.1 monitors in 2023
www.techpowerup.com/img/bKcGqqrE17E9vQNt.jpg
I guess time will tell if gamers want crazy rasterization with decent RT performance ( 7000 series) or Good rt performance with less Rasterization performance (4080 16 gigs) or both with best rt performance(4090). Unfortunately with the performance crown I don't see the 4090 moving down in price, but the 4080 at $1200 might drop when Ampere supplies dry up.
I was lucky enough to sell my 3090 at $800 last week before it fell even more in value.
Still a shame that 4000 series lacks dp 2.1 although hdmi 2.1 is still plenty of good on my 48 inch cx oled for now.
Question for the people complaining about the pricing are you going to be buying a dp 2.1 monitor for $2k?
To sum it up, this market situation reminds me of the battle between GTX480 and the 5870. nVidia made a huge die to keep the perf crown but lost in all other metrics. Also in market share and financially since those dies cost much more to make.
When Nvidia announced their RTX40 pricing many people accused them of living in an echo-chamber. It's not really fair to doubt AMD's new hardware solely because they didn't price their new hardware in an echo-chamber.