Wednesday, December 21st 2022

Blacklisting of YMTC by the U.S. Enables Samsung to Raise NAND Flash Prices by 10%

YMTC, the Chinese DRAM and NAND flash company that recently announced a 232-layer 3D NAND flash memory that threatened to disrupt entrenched players Samsung, Micron Technology, Kioxia, and SK Hynix, has been blacklisted by the U.S. Department of Commerce, forcing American consumer electronics and PC manufacturers to stop sourcing from the company. Capitalizing on just this, Samsung raised prices of its NAND flash memory chips by as much as 10%, according to a DigiTimes report.

YMTC peaked when Apple struck a NAND flash supply deal with the company in 2020, which would see its storage devices power pretty much every Apple product you can think of, however, under political pressure, Apple withdrew from this deal in 2022. The Department of Commerce contention has been to that YMTC has access to cutting-edge technology, and is backed by Chinese state-capacity, which can help it drive out competitors. All is not well between the U.S. and China geopolitically, either. Samsung's 10% increase in the first half of December 2022 concerns spot-pricing, which could mean its contract pricing (usually used by customers placing very large orders), could be different. It is conceivable that the exit of YMTC from the U.S. market could raise NAND flash product prices across the board.
Source: DigiTimes
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37 Comments on Blacklisting of YMTC by the U.S. Enables Samsung to Raise NAND Flash Prices by 10%

#26
mechtech
"Samsung raised prices of its NAND flash memory chips by as much as 10%, according to a DigiTimes report."

Meh

I just bought some Kingston drives.
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#27
claes
fluxc0d3rIs it a coincidence that YMTC is based in WUHAN China?
eidairaman1Thank you thank you
Looking forward to this conspiracy theory
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#28
Bomby569
evernessinceI appreciate you bringing up Tesla, that's a great way to illustrate the differences:

- Tesla is not owned or funded by the US government. It was founded by private parties like most US companies. YMTC was founded entirely by the Chinese government:

"Tsinghua Unigroup founded YMTC in July 2016, with a total investment of US$24 billion, including investments from the Hubei provincial government and the Chinese national "Big Fund" China Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Memory_Technologies

- Tesla was founded in 2003 and produced it's first car in 2008. This means they've been around for almost 2 decades designing cars. YMTC was founded in 2016 so at best they have 6 years of experience.

- Ford sells more Vehicles in a single month than Tesla does in a year.

- Tesla made electric cars including features of which it's competitors didn't have. YMTC is releasing NAND with the exact same 232 layer count as Micron. Samsung has 236 layer NAND and SK Hynix has 238 layer. It's one thing for cars to have similar features, it's another for two supposedly different NAND products to have the exact same layer count.


Japan is a country, not a company. No idea where you are going with that one.

SK Hynix has been around since 1983 and has decades of experience in data storage solutions.

You comment does an excellent job proving my point, because even the other best case scenarios do not even come close to what YMTC is purporting to have developed.
Tesla has received more than $3.2 billion worth of direct and indirect California subsidies and market mechanisms since 2009, according to an estimate from Newsom's office.
www.govtech.com/policy/gov-newsom-says-california-subsidies-powered-teslas-success

Elon Musk is speaking out against government subsidies. Here's a list of the billions of dollars his businesses have received.

www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12

Elon Musk’s growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

etc etc etc

Japan was copying everything under the sun ignoring IP for decades, they were the China of the 60's and 70's. The US was as much anti Japan as it is now anti China. Am i talking about Japan the country? absolutely, but represented by their companies, this seems insanely obvious, yet where i am clarifying that the sky is blue and it illustrates the level of your discourse
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#29
Tatty_Two
Gone Fishing
ARFThis type of threads should get the comments section disabled since dozens and dozens of innocent comments disappear without a trace.
How do you recognise which comment is right and which is wrong?
Long live the freedom of speech!
Not sure which news thread you think you are in but not a single post has been deleted in this one?
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#30
ARF
Tatty_OneNot sure which news thread you think you are in but not a single post has been deleted in this one?
Probably my bad, I reread the thread and think it was longer.
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#31
noel_fs
As an european im happy with that decision, i just bought a chinese pcie4 2tb for 151€ with toptier hardware (ytmc xtacking 3.0, 2gb ddr4, innogrit IG5236).

Godbless YTMC, if it they werent for them we would probably still be stuck on 512gb @ 100€
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#32
hat
Enthusiast
So much for price cuts and plummeting demand.
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#33
R-T-B
Vya DomusPrice increase because mercury is in retrograde ?
To be fair that probably would mess up the solar system.
evernessince"woke lapdog"? So the US is trying to turn China into a SJW pet? What in this article has anything to do with that? I swear people just sprinkle around buzzwords they have no idea how to use (and "woke" isn't really a hard concept to understand).
According to when "woke" was forced to be defined in court, it meant "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them."

Which... everyone should be aware of. Suddenly woke isn't so bad. It's become an attack buzzword no one knows the real meaning of.
BwazeAnd yeah, they are stealing IP where they can, and where they can't, they buy it and advance it further.
That is indeed the issue here. No amount of R&D budget could develop that so quickly from scratch.
fluxc0d3rIs it a coincidence that YMTC is based in WUHAN China?
You have no idea how much is in Wuhan, do you?
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#34
claes
I mean, we all know the meaning of “woke,” just few who use it as an epithet are actually willing to say what they actually mean when invoking it out loud for fear of being “called out” or “cancelled,” ie held accountable for their opinions, because “free speech” is something they don’t actually want to participate in unless they aren’t held accountable, less they’re exposed to this circle of humiliation all over again.
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#35
R-T-B
ARFLong live the freedom of speech!
Does not apply to a private forum and thank goodness for that. I for one would love to see the "innocent comments" that got deleted. I'm sure they are rancid.
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#36
Tatty_Two
Gone Fishing
R-T-BDoes not apply to a private forum and thank goodness for that. I for one would love to see the "innocent comments" that got deleted. I'm sure they are rancid.
To be fair, it neither applies or is enjoyed by a significant proportion of our planets inhabitants in any case sadly.
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#37
R-T-B
Tatty_OneTo be fair, it neither applies or is enjoyed by a significant proportion of our planets inhabitants in any case sadly.
And yet people shout it on the internet like it applies everywhere. Well aware.

Also, even as an American, freedom of speech does not free you from the consequences of that speech.

Moderation on a private site may very well apply.
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