Tuesday, September 5th 2023
Official AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT & RX 7700 XT Performance Figures Leaked
Argentina's HD Tecnología site has obtained and published AMD's official data outlining the performance prowess of the soon-to-be released Radeon RX 7800 XT & RX 7700 XT GPUs, when stacked up against their closest rivals—NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB and RTX 4070 12 GB. Team Red could have "cherry-picked" some of this information, and presented resultant performance charts during the grand unveiling of their mid-range RDNA 3 cards at last month's Gamescom press event. HD Tecnología claims that the fuzzy batch of screengrabs were obtained from an official review guide, they chose to not share pages containing precise details of system specifications. An embargo imposed on media outlets is set to be lifted tomorrow, which coincides with the launch of AMD's Navi 32-based contenders.
The test system was running games within a DirectX 12 environment, possibly at maximum settings—general hardware specs included an non-specific AMD Ryzen 7000-series CPU coupled with DDR5 memory on unidentified AM5 motherboard. VideoCardz's abbreviated analysis of the numbers stated: "In summary, without ray tracing, the Radeon RX 7800 XT outperforms the GeForce RTX 4070 by almost 7% on average, while with ray tracing enabled, it maintains a slight 0.5% lead. Conversely, the RX 7700 XT exhibits 16% higher performance over the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB. However, the presence of ray tracing can tip the scales slightly in NVIDIA's favor, resulting in an 8.5% lead over the AMD GPU."
Here is a VideoCardz-produced summation of these figures:
Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB versus RTX 4070 12 GB
Sources:
HDTecnologia, Wccftech, VideoCardz, Tom's Hardware
The test system was running games within a DirectX 12 environment, possibly at maximum settings—general hardware specs included an non-specific AMD Ryzen 7000-series CPU coupled with DDR5 memory on unidentified AM5 motherboard. VideoCardz's abbreviated analysis of the numbers stated: "In summary, without ray tracing, the Radeon RX 7800 XT outperforms the GeForce RTX 4070 by almost 7% on average, while with ray tracing enabled, it maintains a slight 0.5% lead. Conversely, the RX 7700 XT exhibits 16% higher performance over the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB. However, the presence of ray tracing can tip the scales slightly in NVIDIA's favor, resulting in an 8.5% lead over the AMD GPU."
Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB versus RTX 4070 12 GB
- Raster: +6.9%
- Ray tracing: -11.6%
- Average: +0.5%
- Raster: +15.9%
- Ray tracing: -5.4%
- AVG: +8.5%
67 Comments on Official AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT & RX 7700 XT Performance Figures Leaked
The price is good for sure but the performance? Well, for the price is good but it is a 7800xt. I feel like all cards nowadays are slower even though the name would suggest otherwise.
I feel like the 7900 xt is the 7800 xt and AMD played a charade a bit with the naming.
It is not an improvement because you didn't consider the RX 6650 XT. Why did you skip it?Many gamers will be disappointed because the upgrade cycle is ruined. They will have nothing to upgrade with. No one upgrades for 2-3% performance, or even 20-30% performance.
In my eyes it is but I can argue.
I thought IQs on TPU forums were higher than that but here we are.
Yes, the RX7600 raytraces ~11% faster than a 6600XT, so that's an indisputable 11% RT improvement.
However, the RX7600 is also ~11% faster at everything else, so there's no relative improvement; Turning on RT effects hurts RDNA3 just as much as it hurts RDNA2.
Effectively, RDNA3 raytraces faster than RDNA2 when it's clocked higher, but clock for clock, it adds nothing.
Today's reviews are going to be interesting, because the 6800XT has 20% more compute units and ray accelerators than the 7800XT, so it's going to be about whether the clocks and bandwidth can make up the difference. Early leaks say 'not quite' which is intuitive really, but the 'real' reviews should be released from their embargo in a matter of hours.
If you argue about the binning, then maybe RX 6650 XT gets a notch higher bin chips but maybe it gets a notch lower. You simply don't know.
He never said different silicon, he said matured silicon - ie, the same silicon on the same, more mature process.
The 6650XT is more than a rebrand, btw - it has more memory bandwidth with 18Gbps GDDR6, and in certain games (especially at higher resolutions) the 6650XT is faster than a 6600XT even when both are locked to the exact same clock speeds.
Anyway, I jumped the gun and ordered a 6950xt. We'll see if I return it and get a 7800xt instead, but I suspect I will not.
I tried hard to explain it but apparently no matter how hard you try there always will be someone who calls you a jerk instead of trying to understand you.
7800XT can be that example. Less shading units than the 7900xt and xtx so AMD can make 7800xt's and lower tier cards instead of getting a dedicated silicon just for that purpose. Then you check the defects on a silicon if it can be used for 7800xt or lower and you just use it. The maturity of the process will definitely make the silicon better no doubt and the number of defects is less.
If you're talking about a sample size of one where you bought a new GPU with the same die as an older GPU, then that's the silicon lottery, as Ratirt says - but also there's no way with AMD to know when an actual die was made. Navi23 in a brand-new 6650XT could have been manufactured before or after the 6600XT, only it's been sat in inventory with AMD, the AIB partner, or at the retailer you bought it from.
As a rule of thumb, yields increase over time as the foundry gets better experience and refines the process. The overall trend is that the average ASIC quality increases over the course of production. You can still obviously get a new runt die having previously got lucky on an early golden sample, but the average improvements over time are precisely why rebrands often come with a mild clock speed increase.