Monday, November 27th 2023
AMD Phoenix AM5 APUs to Get Ryzen 8000 Series Branding, Company Readies 5000GT Series for AM4
AMD is giving final touches to its first APUs for the Socket AM5 desktop platform. A report by Sakhtafzar Magazine suggests that the company could give processor models in the series Ryzen 8000G numbering, instead of the previously thought 7000G series. The company is preparing as many as 14 processor models spanning the 4 nm "Phoenix" and "Phoenix 2" monolithic dies. Both chips combine "Zen 4" CPU cores with an iGPU based on the RDNA 3 graphics architecture. While the current Ryzen 7000 series "Raphael" desktop processors feature integrated graphics, AMD doesn't consider them APUs, as their iGPU are just about enough for non-gaming desktop use cases. APUs are designed for entry-level gaming.
The "Phoenix" silicon has up to 8 "Zen 4" CPU cores, and an iGPU with up to 12 RDNA3 compute units. This chip is powering the Ryzen 5 8600G, Ryzen 7 8700G, their PRO variants, and their respective "GE" (energy efficient) sub-variants. The "Phoenix 2" silicon barely qualifies as an APU, as its iGPU only has 4 RDNA3 compute units (compared to the 2 RDNA2 CUs on the "Raphael" iGPU. It also has a maximum CPU core count of 6, from which two are "Zen 4" cores that can sustain higher boost frequency bins, and four are "Zen 4c" cores which run at lower clock speeds (albeit with an identical IPC and ISA). AMD is using "Phoenix 2" on the desktop platform to carve out several sub-$150 class processor models across the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 brands; a package with a monolithic "Phoenix 2" die probably has a lower bill of materials (BOM) than a "Raphael" multi-chip module.
The source also claims to have gaming performance comparisons of the Ryzen 8000G "Phoenix" desktop APU's iGPU, compared to the Ryzen 7 5700G "Cezanne" Socket AM4 desktop APU, where it posts performance gains between 40% to 200% higher. This is because "Cezanne" packs a much older iGPU based on the Vega graphics architecture, while "Phoenix" uses the 3 generations ahead RDNA3.
Sticking with the AM4 platform, and AMD is planning to release several new processor models for the older platform, including the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and 5500X3D that feature the 3D Vertical Cache technology that benefits gaming performance; and a handful new APUs, namely the 5700GT and 5600GT. At this point, it's not known what the "T" brand extension signifies in AMD nomenclature. Intel uses "T" to denote energy-efficient SKUs, but AMD uses "E" for that job.
AMD is expected to announce the new Socket AM5 and AM4 processors on January 31, the article says.
Sources:
Sakhtafzar Magazine, Wccftech, VideoCardz
The "Phoenix" silicon has up to 8 "Zen 4" CPU cores, and an iGPU with up to 12 RDNA3 compute units. This chip is powering the Ryzen 5 8600G, Ryzen 7 8700G, their PRO variants, and their respective "GE" (energy efficient) sub-variants. The "Phoenix 2" silicon barely qualifies as an APU, as its iGPU only has 4 RDNA3 compute units (compared to the 2 RDNA2 CUs on the "Raphael" iGPU. It also has a maximum CPU core count of 6, from which two are "Zen 4" cores that can sustain higher boost frequency bins, and four are "Zen 4c" cores which run at lower clock speeds (albeit with an identical IPC and ISA). AMD is using "Phoenix 2" on the desktop platform to carve out several sub-$150 class processor models across the Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 brands; a package with a monolithic "Phoenix 2" die probably has a lower bill of materials (BOM) than a "Raphael" multi-chip module.
Sticking with the AM4 platform, and AMD is planning to release several new processor models for the older platform, including the Ryzen 7 5700X3D and 5500X3D that feature the 3D Vertical Cache technology that benefits gaming performance; and a handful new APUs, namely the 5700GT and 5600GT. At this point, it's not known what the "T" brand extension signifies in AMD nomenclature. Intel uses "T" to denote energy-efficient SKUs, but AMD uses "E" for that job.
AMD is expected to announce the new Socket AM5 and AM4 processors on January 31, the article says.
99 Comments on AMD Phoenix AM5 APUs to Get Ryzen 8000 Series Branding, Company Readies 5000GT Series for AM4
I can even imagine first socketed mini-PCs with ITX boards.What kind of nonsense is this?Imagine mini-PC with ITX socketed board and 8700G! Perfect solution in small form factor. I'd buy one.
All eyes on Minisforum to get one out.It will be similar to Phoenix, a tad more as faster memory is used. Nobody expects 1440p performance from desktop APU at this moment apart from some more simple games, but 1080p/60 is fine in many, many titles.It is a new product.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ap-mGyrNt723EO5v3B1nCW44R0XVMmOATpR-VZAXNgs/edit#gid=0New naming scheme is actually logical and more specific. Once you finally learn it, it is smart and easy to navigate through.Ordinary consumer has mouth and brain to ask questions and communicate if he/she wants to find out more. Many people are not interested in silicon. They just want things to work, such as browser, Office and media player. Both 7xxx and 8xxx will deliver exactly that. It's on them to decide.I don't think "many" would stop and avoid. There is no evidence of such vague idea. In last 5 years, Intel has lost ~11% of laptop market and ~8% in desktop (Mercury research)
Naming was a topic last year and evebody who is interested could have learnt it by now.
8xxxG is the right number as it relates to calendar year, exactly how the new scheme works.Go and decode names of models of TVs and monitors. Good luck to you!They did, but current market is different. All multiple generations of CPUs are actually really good, they all sell in different tiers, segments and regions globally.This does not fit well with architecture cadence cycle and different products series, such as no 4000 and no 6000 CPUs for desktop.
Current naming is logical and alligned with calendar year in the first place.Try names of TV and monitor models. Good luck!
And also, this is AMD looking to bring the confusing naming scheme to the desktop as well.Yeah, look up random spreadsheet on the Internet, copy each and every model into each and every store, see if they have stock. Like I initially said, I gave that a hard pass. Didn't need a powerful IGP, so really, nothing lost in the process.
Also, I'm extremely pleased to see AMD following through on their implications and promises of more AM4 X3D chips.
I'm looking forward to the new APU's. I would want to buy one but I'm not sure for what exactly. Maybe I'll just focus on the mobile.
geizhals.eu/?cat=nb&xf=19538_17+-+Zen+4+(ab+2022)
(The English version, skinflint.co.uk, is less useful because it only shows hardware available in the UK)
People organizing physical stores know that product placement sells. If AMD can't be bothered to properly place their stuff in online stores, I won't bother to do the legwork for them.
If you know exactly what you are looking for, you will find it. I wrote a few emails to Asus support to find out more details about Rembrandt laptop. They answered and I bought it last year.
I mean, what's next? Instead of numbers, use a QR code, because it's easy to tell the architecture by looking at the dots 3-7 on the 7th row?
But the opposite point of view is also valid, and AMD could take some steps to "babysit" the largest OEMs and force them to use different model numbers (or suffixes such as G10) for Zen 4 exclusively.