Neat, I'm gonna be on AM4 until 2030.

tommo1982Yes, there is. Used parts, often a few years old, are not half the price or less. In case of SSD's it might be 20% less than retail price and that's considered a good deal. CPU or GPU are not different.


I agree with you. I used to buy used parts as well, but even used old parts are expensive. It's often better to buy new with warranty, than not.

CPUs and SSDs dont break that much. I've gotten many used cpu's and SSDs for people for years. And I dont get years old processors, I get processors that are more modern, usually 1-2yrs old from new or even a few months after release. Its still cheaper than new, maybe only 10% but still cheaper.

I tell people not to but used RAM or motherboards.

Anyone that lives next to a microcenter...9800x3d is on sale and a 7800X3D +mobo is 20 less than a solo 9800x3d. Best time to buy imho.

cinemawareYou're a gambling man, I see ;)

Considering I'm also running an ASRock B650 motherboard...

btarunrThis could just be a case of the company restoring regular pricing from brand- and distributor-level discounts for Black Friday and Cyber Monday, although we don't know the tune to which the prices are being increased just yet.

lol

So it's just internet drama bait at this point then. Wait until you can confirm these things before posting stuff like this.

I had skin of my teeth timing with this build I just got. I thank whoever pressured me. I paid 214 USD for my 9600x. Could have gotten a cheaper one (198USD) but it sold by the time I got paid and money cleared :(

PhilaphlousAMD Razin processors --> the name fits

All I can afford now is a potato with a raisin on top. At least I can eat it.

and same as with the GPUs this is done before Xmas sales and to crush new year discounts

This reminds me of the Vermeer (Zen 3) shortage in '20 and I guess a chunk of '21, but unlike video cards, I was able to upgrade to Vermeer in very-late '21, IIRC.

MindweaverI miss Socket A days.. You could get a 150 dollar processor and overclock it to match or beat a 400-700 dollar intel processor. Intel netburst was horrible.. lol Then AMD 64 came along and said why not raise our prices? This is just AMD doing AMD things.. lol "Everyone else is raising their prices... Sure why not?" -AMD

Though the same thing worked with the cheapest A64 processors.. I had an A64 3000+ which ran at 2.7GHz (50% OC) 24/7 stable. And it was the cheapest S939 A64 :)

Refurbished computers are still a way to go. Too bad it is only lenovo with 14" or 13" screens. Decent hardware and stuff you could get a few years ago with warranty.

I do not see the issue, 160€ which includes shipping and tax for a decent device. I use myself also a w11 pro, ryzen 4650u apu with 8gib DRAM and 15" refurbished device for 250€.
I did not stock the 160€ 14" lenovo device because the screen size is far too small.

PC Gaming is costly. For work purposes you are in for 160€ for a decent device. I did not mention all those crap intel 8th gen mobile cpus, these are rubbish, even with w10 pro.

I guess I'm on team AM4Ever at this point.

ChaitanyaPatiently wait for bubble to burst or those desparate should shop on secondary market.

This is the problem I have. Specifically this. I rely heavily on the 2nd hand market for memory, GPUs, network adapters and flash.
We are witnessing a crunch of GPU memory clawing back to GDDR3 and system memory clawing back to DDR3 and PCIE storage.
That's not M.2 stuff either, I like CARDS. The HHHL cards in 1.6TB/3.2TB/6.4TB caps that are really useful for NAS/iSCSI expansion.
Even great big honkin chonkers like the Radeon Pro V340 or Tesla V100 or whatever full size cards need to be a remote PCI-E fit.

I'm still running servers on DDR2 and DDR3. When the crunch starts impacting 2nd hand markets THAT old, what are we doing?
There are already signs of it with 2x2GB DDR2 kits going up a whole dollar in the past 3mon. Nevermind these kits shouldn't exist.
What are we doing? I'm not running LLMs on a 2GB system and neither are you. Nor is the Chinese homelab kid that just found AI.
If AM2 CPUs are next, I'm done. Nobody is paying over $10 for a 4450e or 4850e. Most of my big tech purchases are sub-$100.

When I buy something NEW, I'm all in but this bullshit has to end soon. We have telltale signs that memory hoarding doesn't matter.
System memory is married to the mobo, so people make those purchase decisions at build time but this is turning into pure idiocy.
The LLMs only need so much system memory when they behave like massive vram hogs. Old giganto 24GB/32GB cards collect dust.
Why? Because it's cards with newer technologies that are deciding utility instead of CUDA or vram alone. HBM4 is on shipping notice.

Nevermind the infighting between Samsung plants where phones can't even get the memory they need, move EVERYTHING to HBM4.
If this becomes the norm for manufacturing to dump everything and start drafting HBM5 and HBM6, we might see that in consumer.
The 2nd hand market will start dumping these HBM3e and HBM4 components like mad one day and the 2nd hand market will crash.
I don't want to be at the whim of flash crashes every X years with 4-6 years of lag time between technologies. That sounds horrid.

springs113Anyone that lives next to a microcenter...9800x3d is on sale and a 7800X3D +mobo is 20 less than a solo 9800x3d. Best time to buy imho.

It's funny. I've always hated the fact that Microcenter bundles in recent years force you to take memory. This especially sucked when looking at DDR5 platforms, because DDR5 doesn't play well with more than two sticks. You can't add more later; you either keep your current kit or replace it. Or accept DDR4-tier speeds, I suppose.

Now the DRAM shortage has fixed that problem. The combo page at Microcenter is truly mouth-watering. 9800x3d + motherboard for $480? Holy shit. 7800x3d + motherboard for $380? Shut up and take my money. But of course the memory to go along with it is unaffordable. Decent 32 GB kits of DDR5 at my local store look to start at about $350. If you need 64 GB, the price starts at "first born child."

Instead of holding off in recent years because the memory offered in bundles was a waste, I should have been stockpiling that unwanted memory. lol.

Great this means AM4 long term socket support has a chance to still pump out a 2200X3D CPU

WastelandIt's funny. I've always hated the fact that Microcenter bundles in recent years force you to take memory. This especially sucked when looking at DDR5 platforms, because DDR5 doesn't play well with more than two sticks. You can't add more later; you either keep your current kit or replace it. Or accept DDR4-tier speeds, I suppose.

Now the DRAM shortage has fixed that problem. The combo page at Microcenter is truly mouth-watering. 9800x3d + motherboard for $480? Holy shit. 7800x3d + motherboard for $380? Shut up and take my money. But of course the memory to go along with it is unaffordable. Decent 32 GB kits of DDR5 at my local store look to start at about $350. If you need 64 GB, the price starts at "first born child."

Instead of holding off in recent years because the memory offered in bundles was a waste, I should have been stockpiling that unwanted memory. lol.

AMD should've included DDR4 support just like Intel did with 12th-14th gen CPUs. And like they did with AM3 CPUs, they supported DDR2 as well.

rattlehead99Don't buy, it's that simple.

That only works if you (and people like you) are the only customers buying these products. Now we have AI data-centers sucking up any and all compute and memory capacity with the help of a tsunami of investor money, nobody gives a damn about what us consumer peasants decide to boycott or not. This won't change until investors decide to change course.

WastelandIt's funny. I've always hated the fact that Microcenter bundles in recent years force you to take memory. This especially sucked when looking at DDR5 platforms, because DDR5 doesn't play well with more than two sticks. You can't add more later; you either keep your current kit or replace it. Or accept DDR4-tier speeds, I suppose.

Now the DRAM shortage has fixed that problem. The combo page at Microcenter is truly mouth-watering. 9800x3d + motherboard for $480? Holy shit. 7800x3d + motherboard for $380? Shut up and take my money. But of course the memory to go along with it is unaffordable. Decent 32 GB kits of DDR5 at my local store look to start at about $350. If you need 64 GB, the price starts at "first born child."

Instead of holding off in recent years because the memory offered in bundles was a waste, I should have been stockpiling that unwanted memory. lol.

Yea...I was fortunate to have the need to have the newest shiny thing and replaced my case 28 6000mhz kit for the cas 26 kit for dirt cheap. So now I have everything for a new pc and only need a new cpu and mobo to do a build. Initially I was questioning my purchase at first but looking back at it now... I'm so glad I did it.

TechBuyingHavocThat only works if you (and people like you) are the only customers buying these products. Now we have AI data-centers sucking up any and all compute and memory capacity with the help of a tsunami of investor money, nobody gives a damn about what us consumer peasants decide to boycott or not. This won't change until investors decide to change course.

Let them, just don't buy and use the services of those companies for half a year.