On gog:
gothic_1_remake

Demo:
gothic_1_remake_demo_nyras_prologue (It's first time I see demo on gog :D)
Arcane_Merchant_Demo
Witch's Apocalyptic Journey Demo (on steam)
Hobby_Horse_Demo

Now when people say western games are too easy I'll make them play Gothic 1 Remake. :D

Gothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

cinemawareGothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

Wait what? Gothic was never universally beloved or praised. Classic 7/10 video game, which usually means very flawed but some people will love it, because there are a lot of rough edges to
hold on to.

Medic could be really interesting. Prohibeast looked interesting until I realized it's a furry game.

cinemawareGothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

I didn't feel the combat was broken. It took patience and timing, if this was something a player lacked then the early combat felt brutal because you would get decimated. I thought the controls were a tad awkward, which was just an issue with the game not being originally designed for the US and made in Germany. I'd like to think it was a cult hit, not something main stream that was highly praised, but accepted as a decent game.

I know that the original demo for the Gothic remake had even worse combat than the original game. The developers took the criticism about the poor combat and went back to redo it. The combat in the game is now much better.

As for the rest of the entries into the Gothic world; I really liked Gothic 2, but the third felt rushed and abandoned with all the bugs that were never resolved by the developer and the community had to fix them. Gothic 4 was a travesty and the Gothic name was stripped from it, leaving it just to be known as "Arcania" (I'd like to think it really happened because the game was so bad, but in reality the publisher lost the licensing rights for the Gothic IP).

cinemawareGothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

There are those who loved Gothic I and II and those who hated it. I especially loved G II. Anyway, for their time of release, both Gothics introduced many amazing features, like fully open world and consequences of your choices. There was alchemy, blacksmithing, hunting, lockpicking, stealth system, acrobatics.

Combat system wasn't broken, it was unique and hard to master, as it required precise timing. It was not one of those spam your mouse like crazy systems. You kind of aimed your strikes with movement. I'd say for it's era, blocking in combat was really good.

Gothic I and II were hard games, especially from the beginning, where you actually had to think and plan your movements and strikes. Some enemies required different tactics. G II is one of the best games of my adolescence.

Gothic 3, 4, ... whatever else was simply not good enough.

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LittleBroThere are those who loved Gothic I and II and those who hated it.

And those who looked at it and said "no, thanks" and continued playing Baldur's Gate 2, Icewind Dale, Diablo II, The Sims, Deus Ex, Age of Empires II or even Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2.
At the time I might have heard one of my friends mention something about Gothic but nobody cared because we were too busy playing Diablo and AoE. Good times. :D

cinemawareGothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

It was never highly rated, so it would be difficult to say it's overrated. Some people, like myself, loved it for multiple reasons: The world felt lived in(more-so than any other RPG in 2001). The excellent world level design(verticality). The true evolution of power fantasy, going from a useless dude to a badass. The evolving open world via chapters.

The combat was clunky, but pretty good for the time. Look at Morrowind in 2002, same genre year later, in which the combat was just to-hit dice rolls.

AGlezBAnd those who looked at it and said "no, thanks" and continued playing Baldur's Gate 2, Icewind Dale, Diablo II, The Sims, Deus Ex, Age of Empires II or even Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2.
At the time I might have heard one of my friends mention something about Gothic but nobody cared because we were too busy playing Diablo and AoE. Good times. :D

there are countries where it's a Classic with a capital C, put above the games you listed. Number of hours I spent re-playing G1 would be higher than all of the list combined.

cinemawareGothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

I had a very good time playing Gothic 1 and 2 (back in the Days). The combat is a tittle tricky, but if you have figured it out it works. The Gothic games hold a cult following, there are TONS of MODs for Gothic 1, 2 and even 3 (that i never played).
There are a bunch of Fan Remakes and Fan-Versions as well.

cinemawareGothic has to be one of the most overrated CRPGs ever. I suppose this remake at least fixes the original's hilariously broken combat, so at least that's something.

I mean, I can see a console kid feeling that way. Gothic was almost a hidden gem, one of the first open-world games (probably before the term "open world" was coined). It was tough, with the other side of the coin being that it felt really rewarding the first time you managed to kill that orc that handed you butt to you a million times before.

I'd give it another go, especially since I've only finished it with Old and New Camp, but the minimum GPU required is way above what I have atm :(

Loved Gothic. A breath of fresh air compared to the others.

AGlezBAnd those who looked at it and said "no, thanks" and continued playing Baldur's Gate 2, Icewind Dale, Diablo II, The Sims, Deus Ex, Age of Empires II or even Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2.
At the time I might have heard one of my friends mention something about Gothic but nobody cared because we were too busy playing Diablo and AoE. Good times. :D

Thats also exactly my case.
I was an elementary school kid when Gothic 1 was a thing and my art class teacher was into gaming and Gothic 1 so he talked about that game a lot. I've checked it out but noped out of it right away, not my cup of tea at all + I was busy playing Diablo 2/Heroes III/Age Of II and some older games like Carmageddon 2 and Mortal Kombat 4.:laugh:

From this list Fatekeeper is kinda interesting to me, like I'm getting Dark Messiah of Might & Magic vibes from it.

rhqqthere are countries where it's a Classic with a capital C, put above the games you listed.

Obvously... or so I learned later. Anyway, the point is there are 3 options, not just 2 and I'm in the third group. I don't love or hate it and if the remake looks fun I play it but I have no attachment whatsoever so if it turns out not so good I'll just ignore it. For me this is the game falls in the same category as System Shock or Dark Souls in the sense that, no matter how influential it is for the rest of the world, to me is just another old game I don't really care about one way or the other. That doesn't mean I cannot appreciate what they brought to the table but that's at an intellectual level, no nostalgia involved.

Is In Extremo with "Herr Mannelig" included as well? If not—then screw the remake!

Cheers,
Fred.

FrickWait what? Gothic was never universally beloved or praised. Classic 7/10 video game, which usually means very flawed but some people will love it, because there are a lot of rough edges to
hold on to.

Gothic has 81% critic rating on Moby. But I was referring more to the hype that built up over the years, mostly coming from a hardcore and very vocal fanbase. Some of which emerged in replies to my post you can see below. We have the usual rationalizations of its flaws and I have even been called a "console kid" for criticizing it :D Though, this is actually pretty mild compared to with what you'd get in places such as RPG Codex or Watch, if you dared to insult the Holy Grail.

For the record, I don't meant it is overall a bad game, because it certainly has some interesting aspects to it. But there are also things that are just downright terrible about it and others that aren't actually as innovative as people who probably were new to RPGs thought at the time (like my man @bug ;)

neatfeatguyI didn't feel the combat was broken. It took patience and timing, if this was something a player lacked then the early combat felt brutal because you would get decimated. I thought the controls were a tad awkward, which was just an issue with the game not being originally designed for the US and made in Germany.

I understand that some people found the allure in this game and persevered with some of its more obtuse and flawed systems, but this really is more of a rationalization of a bad design. I mean, if you have "patience and timing" you can probably get through most of certified gaming stinkers, but it doesn't mean they were flaw-free.

bugI mean, I can see a console kid feeling that way. Gothic was almost a hidden gem, one of the first open-world games (probably before the term "open world" was coined). It was tough, with the other side of the coin being that it felt really rewarding the first time you managed to kill that orc that handed you butt to you a million times before.

It's quite telling that you're using an ad hominem to dodge my complaints, while at the same time being completely ignorant of the history of the genre :)

It so happens that I grew up with microcomputers in the Eighties and RPG games were always my favourite genre. And so I am actually aware that open world games go as far back as Ultima. If you want full 3D, then of course Arena was doing that many years earlier. For 3rd person ones, there’s a heap of JRPGs which actually had proper combat and movement way before Gothic. And that thing about being "tough but rewarding" is the hallmark of just about every decent J/CRPG, a genre that goes back to mainframes.

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I actually had time to have a look at Fatekeeper more closely. First -person CRPGs are my forte, and it actually looks quite interesting. I understand it's not gonna be an open world, which is okay, and the gfx looks stunning. But the thing that caught my eye the most is the combat in which you can actually hack the opponents with some sort of proper flesh simulation. This is something that incredibly overdue, if you think about it the current systems are incredibly stuck in time.

@cinemaware I apologize that seemed to be personal. It wasn't, it was just me saying who I would expect that argument from.

Also you are correct, you can trace back open world RPG back to text mode games, my wording was off. I was referring to 3D open world RPG. I still remember the awe when I first looked across the world from a vantage point.

TL;DR I can accept Gothic wasn't everyone's cup of tea, I can't accept that it wasn't awesome.