Wednesday, August 27th 2008

AMD Phenom X2 Information Trickles

Time draws closer for the Athlon 64 X2 to retire. It has seen its good and bad days, leading Intel versus the Pentium D and trailing it versus the Core 2 Duo. German site Hardware Infos shed light on the primary lineup of the dual-core edition based on the K10 architecture, the Phenom X2. There are no core architectural changes for the Phenom X2, codenamed "Kuma" over the K8, except that like the Phenom X3 and X4, these chips feature 2 MB of L3 cache apart from 512 KB caches per core and the revised HyperTransport interface. The listed models come at a rated TDP of 45W. The first three Kuma chips listed have clock-speeds ranging from 1.90 GHz to 2.30 GHz and have been given model numbers that look confusing to the older PRN system AMD employed, with the top Athlon 64 X2 rated at 6400+. The later releases of the older X2 using the Brisbane core broke away from the older PRN and we saw models such as 4450e, 4850e or 4850b (note the absence of the "+").

The naming of these chips asserts that. For example, the 1.90 GHz Kuma part is named Phenom X2 GE-6400. Going by the performance evaluations of other parts based on the K10 architecture, at 1.90 GHz + the 2 MB L3 cache, this part might not be on par with the Windsor core Athlon 64 X2 6400+. Contradicting earlier reports that AMD would work out Kuma parts on the 45 nm fabrication process, all three Kuma parts reported are based on the 65 nm fab process.

The Phenom X2 GE-6400 has a clock speed of 1.90 GHz, the GE-6500 has a clock speed of 2.10 GHz and the GE-6600 even higher at 2.30 GHz. All parts feature 512 KB of L2 cache per core, a 2 MB L3 cache, HyperTransport 3.0 link speed of 1600 MHz (3200 MT/s) and rated TDP of 45W. Pricing and availability remain to be seen.Source: Hardware Infos
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35 Comments on AMD Phenom X2 Information Trickles

#1
Wile E
Power User
Unfortunately guys, newtekie is right. Phenom is in no way a match for an Intel Quad clock for clock. As far as the Mainconcept Encoding bench, that's not what the outcome is like when you use a difference H.264 encoder. The Intels walk all over AMD using Mediacoder, for example. And the more effects and or filters you apply, the larger the gap becomes.

To make matters worse, try comparing a Phenom to an Intel 45nm Quad at the same clock speeds and see what happens.

The Phenoms represent a decent price/performance ratio, but they are still no match for the Intels in terms of OCing and performance.
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#2
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
Thank you Wile E, of course any time I mention these facts I am instantly labelled an Intel fanboy. Some people just don't like when the negatives about their favorite brand are pointed out I guess so they just rather call people names instead of trying to post meaningful informatave fact filled posts to counter.
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#3
blueskynis
From Xbitlabs:
Sources familiar with the plans of Advanced Micro Devices on Wednesday denied the fact that the company has plans to release dual-core AMD Phenom processors, but said that the chipmaker plans to release dual-core chips based on the K10 micro-architecture under the AMD Athlon X2 brand-name.

Instead of three AMD Phenom X2 chips (as reported on Tuesday), the world’s second largest maker of x86 microprocessors plans to release one AMD Athlon X2 6500 microprocessor based on the K10 micro-architecture in early September. The chip will operate at 2.30GHz, feature 1MB of L2 cache [512KB per core], 2MB L3 cache as well as dual-channel DDR2 memory controller. The new product will have thermal design power of 95W, hence, should be compatible with the vast majority of AM2+ mainboards.
More info: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20080827150154_One_New_Dual_Core_AMD_Athlon_X2_K10_Processor_Is_Planned_for_September_Launch_Say_Sources.html
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#4
Pinchy
Nooo I want these 45W Phenom X2's....so I get the most out of my IGP! lol way to ruin it :p! (jk)
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#5
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
If you point out something about intel I usually leave a thank you on it. Ive not problem admitting my legiances, seems some others due. You still got what you was asking for. And as per the last line in my post, no one is disputing that intel is the better of the quad races.
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#6
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
i bet we get some new AMD WR's with these chips phenom X4s can already do 4ghz (with some damn good luck lol) so these should clock like crazy :toast:
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#7
newtekie1
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WarEagleAU said:
If you point out something about intel I usually leave a thank you on it. Ive not problem admitting my legiances, seems some others due. You still got what you was asking for. And as per the last line in my post, no one is disputing that intel is the better of the quad races.
No I didn't get what I was asking for. I never asked for the few tests showing the Phenom beating the Q6600. I asked for proof that the Phenom architecture is equal clock for clock to the Core 2 architecture. Posting 4 out of 35 tests where the Phenom is better is not proof of that statement. If it was closer to half and half, I would consider that statement valid, but it isn't.

And yes, if you read the original post I quoted, someone is pretty clearly disputing that Intel is the better of the Quads.

mdm-adph said:
It[Phenom] performs on par with equal-clocked conroe parts
I guess you just missed that part?

And as for the thank you, I could really care less. If you want to get thanks post a bunch of anti-Intel, pro-AMD BS, that is based entirely on nothing and you will get huge thanks from all the idiotic AMD fanboys around here(as evident by mdm-adph's post).
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#9
mullered07
ok my 2 cents

i agree for the most part on what newtekie said, although its now turning into the usual flame war and fanboy accusations :rolleyes:

my e4300 @ 3Ghz was faster in general use than my X3 8450, i mean amd cant do superpi for shit 30+ seconds what the hells that about lol anyway....
its a very small difference imo and varys dependant on what im doing, for instance, encoding a 700mb avi file to dvd takes around the same time with my x3 as it did with my core 2, but saying that the x3 cpu usage only goes to around 80% which makes me think nero isnt fully utilising all 3 cores correctly.
now onto gaming, imo i still feel amd cpu's fair better at gaming and just feel smoother almost like there made to do just that, my fps are always constantly high and gameplay is always smooth, although its hard to prove as my e4300 was coupled with a 8800gts.

when i first built this system i was pissed off with it for the first 2 weeks and wanted to go back to intel, however now i have ironed out all the kinks and got it running how i like and overclocked at last albeit a small oc, i wouldnt want to go back to intel, besides with a name like Phenom who cares whats faster, Phenom pwns all muah hahahahaha :o
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#10
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
mullered07 said:
ok my 2 cents

i agree for the most part on what newtekie said, although its now turning into the usual flame war and fanboy accusations :rolleyes:

my e4300 @ 3Ghz was faster in general use than my X3 8450, i mean amd cant do superpi for shit 30+ seconds what the hells that about lol anyway....
its a very small difference imo and varys dependant on what im doing, for instance, encoding a 700mb avi file to dvd takes around the same time with my x3 as it did with my core 2, but saying that the x3 cpu usage only goes to around 80% which makes me think nero isnt fully utilising all 3 cores correctly.
now onto gaming, imo i still feel amd cpu's fair better at gaming and just feel smoother almost like there made to do just that, my fps are always constantly high and gameplay is always smooth, although its hard to prove as my e4300 was coupled with a 8800gts.

when i first built this system i was pissed off with it for the first 2 weeks and wanted to go back to intel, however now i have ironed out all the kinks and got it running how i like and overclocked at last albeit a small oc, i wouldnt want to go back to intel, besides with a name like Phenom who cares whats faster, Phenom pwns all muah hahahahaha :o
haha i'm noticing the same thing but mine was a X4 vs a e7200ES lol but i blame my ECS mobo :p
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