Thursday, November 20th 2008

Phenom II X4 Overclocks to 6.00 GHz on LN2

During an event by AMD held at its facility in Austin, Texas, the engineers took an engineering sample of the unreleased Deneb core based Phenom II X4, installed a copper-pot for liquid nitrogen cooling, and dropped the operational temperature to -185 °C. They then jacked up the vCore to 1.90V, to facilitate a clock speed of over 6.00 GHz!

At this point the exact frequency isn't known. Cameras weren't allowed at the event, and so no clear pictures were taken. Earlier the company had released slides to its channel contacts, telling that Phenom II would overclock very well, and 24x7 overclocks beyond 3.60 GHz on air didn't sound unreal. At the same event, AMD showcased Deneb chips doing 4.00 GHz with air-cooling (with vCore set at 1.6V).


Sources: NordicHardware, Legit Reviews
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111 Comments on Phenom II X4 Overclocks to 6.00 GHz on LN2

#2
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Thats pretty remarkable for an AMD chip. I never knew they could hit that high. I Believe Intel has already touched 6ghz though. Pretty awesome and Im ecstatic. Looks like my putting off for the new phenom is working in my favor.
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#3
OzzmanFloyd120
farlex85 said:
I almost don't like AMD b/c of the constant fanboyism they receive...
You are quick to point the fanboism on the AMD side, but whenever AMD pulls out a good card the intel fanbois are the first to cry out "NO DATS NOT TEH POSSIBLE! i7 IZ TEH ULTIMATE ARCHITECTURE!"
At least us AMD fanboys can sit back and shut the hell up when we know we're going to lose instead of crying over it.

Edit: Also I remember a few months back btarunr posted some benches showing the Deneb engineering samples beating out the i7 engineering samples.
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#4
farlex85
OzzmanFloyd120 said:
You are quick to point the fanboism on the AMD side, but whenever AMD pulls out a good card the intel fanbois are the first to cry out "NO DATS NOT TEH POSSIBLE! i7 IZ TEH ULTIMATE ARCHITECTURE!"
At least us AMD fanboys can sit back and shut the hell up when we know we're going to lose instead of crying over it.

Edit: Also I remember a few months back btarunr posted some benches showing the Deneb engineering samples beating out the i7 engineering samples.
Please don't make a fanboy of fanboy's argument (arguing why some fanboys are better than others), it sickens me :laugh:. I just meant that many people seem like they would buy AMD even if they weren't even close in performance and charged nearly the same price. AMD fanboyism far, far outnumbers reverse, and it seems to have little reason, although from what I can gather it has aroused from previous trends before I was into computers. I was being facetious when I said I almost don't like AMD b/c of it (such strong fanboyism that to me seems unwarranted makes me the opposite fanboy :laugh:), I really don't care about brand at all, only product. Anyway, yay processors. :)

Edit: I guess I missed that thread. That would be quite the feat though and great for the market, probably a bit too good to be true though.
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#5
sunil
Welcome back AMD, Welcome back :D
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#7
Urbklr
I just shit myself, thanks AMD.

:p
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#8
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
OzzmanFloyd120 said:
Also I remember a few months back btarunr posted some benches showing the Deneb engineering samples beating out the i7 engineering samples.
I don't remember doing so :confused:
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#9
CyberDruid
WTH first Obama wins the election and now AMD hit's 6ghz?! It's the end of days I tell ya :D
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#10
Bigjohn
CyberDruid said:
WTH first Obama wins the election and now AMD hit's 6ghz?! It's the end of days I tell ya :D
Too funny... I keep telling that demon in my basement to stay put for a while longer....

:roll:
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#11
OzzmanFloyd120
btarunr said:
I don't remember doing so :confused:
I could have sworn that you had posted some, I looked back to find them but you have so many posts that it's hard :)
Maybe it was against the high end C2D chips :dunno:
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#13
OzzmanFloyd120
Does anybody know anything about the architecture? Is it going to be just like the same old phenoms loaded down with cache or did they change the way they operate?
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#14
OzzmanFloyd120
I think this was the review I thought I remembered, but my memory must be getting horrible because it doesn't even mention C2 or i7 chips in it. :(
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#15
iStink
lol the look on the guy's face on the left is that of intense concentration.
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#16
Silverel
CyberDruid said:
WTH first Obama wins the election and now AMD hit's 6ghz?! It's the end of days I tell ya :D
:roll::laugh::roll:

Yah. Wow... This would be a hell of a reason to invest in watercooling. Figger 4ghz on air, 5ghz on water, 6ghz on LN2.... hehe

1.9v ain't that much :p
I've got ram that runs at 2.5v (DDR)
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#17
Noggrin
Silverel said:
1.9v ain't that much :p
I've got ram that runs at 2.5v (DDR)
lol! ddr or ddr2 can run over v2.0.. so that means v1.9 is not much for 45nm cpu? lol...:roll:

deneb hit 4.0 with v1.6, thats even much, lets hope the cpu can handle this w/o gettin degraded... I was really hyped about deneb.. befor I saw those results..
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#18
DrunkenMafia
I have a low end phenom chip and the thing is easily fast enough for anything vista has. It seems the cpu world is going the way of the gfx card world. release after release after release, we can't keep up. :)

Oh well it keeps the prices down for us aye. :D
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#19
KBD
farlex85 said:
Please don't make a fanboy of fanboy's argument (arguing why some fanboys are better than others), it sickens me :laugh:. I just meant that many people seem like they would buy AMD even if they weren't even close in performance and charged nearly the same price. AMD fanboyism far, far outnumbers reverse, and it seems to have little reason, although from what I can gather it has aroused from previous trends before I was into computers. I was being facetious when I said I almost don't like AMD b/c of it (such strong fanboyism that to me seems unwarranted makes me the opposite fanboy :laugh:), I really don't care about brand at all, only product. Anyway, yay processors. :)

Edit: I guess I missed that thread. That would be quite the feat though and great for the market, probably a bit too good to be true though.
i don't think AMD gets fanboyism, they get support, like one would support a sports team. They are fighting against a giant Intel, while they are much smaller company. People tend to sympathize with the underdog, Intel doesnt deserve sympathy since they are so far ahead and there is little competition and they are dipping deeper into our pockets as a result. There was so much excitement around AMD A64 CPUs and getting the performance crown several years ago, folks still remember how this little company managed to beat Intel and are hoping for a repeat of that. Plus people are tired of Intel dominance, even some owners of Intel CPUs want to switch if Phenom 2 performs. Furthermore, AMD is an innovator: hyper-transport, IMC, first consumer 64 bit CPU, first dual core CPU, first native quad-core and so forth. This is why they get so much props, i'm not saying that Intel doesnt deserve credit for some stuff, they do, but it seems to me they are slower to innovate and with much larger R&D budget we should've seen more new tech from them.
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#20
$ReaPeR$
please dont start arguing over nothing.. these news are great but some confirmation wouldnt hurt anyone, wish there were some CPUz pics b/c this way it wouldnt look like pure marketing. imo AMD is doing to intel the same thing that it did to Nvidia.
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#21
Bluesman
Phenom II Architecture

OzzmanFloyd120 said:
Does anybody know anything about the architecture? Is it going to be just like the same old phenoms loaded down with cache or did they change the way they operate?
Phenom II has significant improvements over Phenom I. Some have speculated that given the phenom underlining architecture is the same in Phenom II that you would see high current leakage as you overclocked to 4.0Ghz. HERE you see that there are significant architecture changes in AMD's 45nm chip.
The transistor drive current for AMD's 45-nm devices is much lower than that of the Intel HKMG transistors. But power consumption is quickly becoming a high priority for server chips. AMD's transistors exhibit very low channel leakage. Our transistor benchmarks indicates that leakage current is less than one-third of the value measured on AMD's 65-nm process. It's also significantly lower than the Intel 45-nm HKMG process. In fact the Ion/Ioff ratio for AMD's PFET is nearly 10 times better than that for the Intel PFET.
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#22
Bluesman
$ReaPeR$ said:
.....imo AMD is doing to intel the same thing that it did to Nvidia.
The word on the street is that the ATI team is significantly changing the culture at AMD. For example, HERE you will see the following comment:
Judging by our sources, ATI guys are making great changes inside the company and changing the product line-up in ways that old AMD would never think of.
IMHO, AMD is using "guerrilla marketing" to promote Phenom II. Formal advertising and benchmarks prior to launch will only result in a crushing Intel response. AMD needs enthusiasts to get excited about a big product rollout. Think ATI 48xx marketing and how nVidia was caught flat-footed on pricing and marketing.
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#24
$ReaPeR$
[quote="Bluesman, post: 1073279"]The word on the street is that the ATI team is significantly changing the culture at AMD. For example, HERE you will see the following comment:


i can see your point and totaly agree with it. thanks for the info.. lets hope the PII will be as good as they look.
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#25
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Bluesman said:
IMHO, AMD is using "guerrilla marketing" to promote Phenom II. Formal advertising and benchmarks prior to launch will only result in a crushing Intel response. AMD needs enthusiasts to get excited about a big product rollout. Think ATI 48xx marketing and how nVidia was caught flat-footed on pricing and marketing.
Agreed. Former ATI's PR tactics, have had quite some influence on AMD lately. This could well be the right way to market their processors, not the way AMD did during the Barcelona/Agena launch.
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