Wednesday, January 21st 2009
Radeon HD 4870 X2, HD 4850 X2 Faster and Better Than GeForce GTX 295, 285: AMD
AMD started its marketing offensive against NVIDIA's new dual-GPU GeForce GTX 295, and single-GPU GeForce GTX 285 accelerators, in an attempt to put the Radeon HD 4800 X2 series accelerators ahead of its competition in terms of performance on a "broad scale", and used the cards' availability in non-reference designs as a USP against NVIDIA's offerings using a uniform company-specified design. All this, in an internal presentation leaked to Donanim Haber. As for those wondering why, ATI and NVIDIA have a history of picking on each others' flagship products by means of such presentations, with which they intend to influence OEMs and channel vendors, though it always happens so, that these presentations reach public domains. Viral marketing or something plausible? Find out for yourself:
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Donanim Haber
145 Comments on Radeon HD 4870 X2, HD 4850 X2 Faster and Better Than GeForce GTX 295, 285: AMD
Anyone can explain why NV cards go limp at 2*** res? other than the above explanation
I like Ati more but i had a lot of Nvidia cards latetly because Ati didn't delivered anything good and i will buy Nvidia again if it proves to be better.
Now trough all the smoke and mirrors Nvidia throws there is little intrest for the buyer of low end and mainstream graphics cards that Ati or Nvidia has the best card , what is most important is what can i get at 50$ or 100$ or 150$ , how much perf. and goodies to make my experience on my computer better (watching movies , playing games ..... etc.).
For me at this time Ati delivered better than Nvidia because is cheaper and has the same or better perf. , maybe next time Nvidia will be better.
what if I (or any) made this images in my laptop... you know 15 mins of search/copy/paste-google-magic??
have anyone tought of that? i mean everybody is taking sides here... cmon you can't be so naive and think this MUST be legitimate... just saying
The DX10.1 shadow thing is interesting, but I'm still on XP :D
(and why is it these kinds of news articles seem to draw them out of the woodwork like fumigating a termite-infested home?)
anyhow - so nVidia has managed to steal the crown for a short while with the GTX 295 . . . and ATI release some slides that try to claim some kind of hold on it . . . well, all things considered - at least they waited until after the new nVidia card was on the market - unlike the green camp's tactics which usually call for blasting ATI before their cards are on the shelf (like nVidia has special, insider access to ATI's newest beasts :rolleyes:)
So - for all those willing to go rush out and grab a 295 . . . please keep in mind that nVidia pretty-much had their asses handed back to them throughout the last half of 2008 . . . and ATI does have a new beast in the works as well (one that seems to have completely confounded most of us in terms of it's specs, and what it will be capable of) . . . it's quite possible that 2, 3, maybe 4 or 5 months from now, nVidia will completely lose the performance crown again . . .
. . . and people will still be crying that nVidia's hardware is better, that people purchasing ATI don't know what they're doing . . .
. . . and never give credit for the fact that if ATI hadn't gotten back on the ball last year - you'd be paying $900+ for that spanking-new GTX 295, instead of the $500 it's at right now.
So - all things considered . . . quitcher bitchin. :toast:
What this have to do with the fact that ATI are clearly lying and misleading people in this slides?
My point was for all the fanbois that are screaming the 295 is the "be-all, end-all," like nVidia hasn't had it rough for the last 7+ months.it's somewhat of a first for ATI . . . keep in mind nVidia has a real bad habit of pulling these kinds of stunts . . . they've been more than notorious for it in the past, so much so that most people come to expect it from the green camp - nevermind the fact that nVidia has been re-stickering their low-end and mid-range cards for the last 2 gens.
God forbid ATI fight nVidia on their battlefield, right? - in all honesty, that's proven more beneficial for them over the last year than trying to keep a clean shirt.
But, hey, if you like paying $900 for a card, just for the e-peen and richie-boy braggin' rights . . . keep hoping that ATI will fall back to the rut they were in for 2 years due to the AMD+ATI merger. I'd much rather spend $900 on two cards that handle a heavier workload better.
I'm convinced if they lied they would be ratted out and suffer severely in the press for it, they're certainly misleading people by cherry picking benchmarks and settings, but I wouldn't say they are lying unless you have some proof.
I think if you consult benchmarks with very similar settings in the same games, you may get similar results. That all being said, they also may be using beta drivers or old nVidia drivers in an effort to make their products look better.... but the 4870 X2 is a solid competitor and I doubt they really need it.
The fact of the matter, presenting one-sided marketing slides is just general business in the tch industry. nVidia has done it for years, Intel has done it for years, MS and MAC have done it for years - it's only recently that AMD and ATI have done so.
There's no point in getting out the torches and nooses for the red camp over a few "somewhat misleading" marketing slides . . . at the very least they've presented somewhat factual information, from a point of view to help bolster their position in the market . . . I can't find anything at fault for that . . . no one company in their right mind is going to release marketing propaganda and advertisements that try to sell their product from a point of view that makes their product appear to be the worst choice . . . that's a basic rule of marketing and advertising.
Again, I stress the point that although these slides are somewhat misleading - I don't see how ATI is lying to try and continue sale of their products against nVidia's newest release.it has just as much to do about the arguements I was making, as it does to the whole "topic" this thread has delved in to - if you wanted one example of nVidia pulling mis-leading marketing . . . that's my one example right there.I have absoultely nothing to say on this :shadedshuit's not making things up - and if you've taken the time to read many of the posts I've made in these forums, I'm not an ATI fanboi . . . a supporter, yes, but there's a difference. Just becuase any one user on this site, or any tech site, has hardware from one specific manufacturer or vendor does not necessarily make them a fanboi. Jumping to such a conclusion is, IMHO, a good sign that someone has no real point to make, and has no ability to back up their arguments or continue a discussion in an adult and civilized manner . . . and that only leads to flamming and infractions.
I'm sure of which I'll probably get one myself after this post . . . but . . .. . . sorry, erocker, I had too.
. . . and now I'll take my leave of this thread.
Its obvious gtx 295 crumbles at max resolution with AA turned on, AMD isn't just gonna sit there and do nothing about the gtx295 pwning them everywhere else, they are still going to go with a marketing campaign to attract more consumers to their product and maintain sales. If not, they may as well give up on the 4870x2 which obviously ain't gonna happen.
Its all good competition, don't see why you guys are arguing about such childish things and ignore the fact that the once performance crown holder have reduced their prices, meaning more people on a budget are a little closer to getting one of the latest and greatest.
Its win-win for everyone -.- .......
My previous post was 100% on topic: answering someone who thinks the slides are fake. As for some of the posts, you're lucky it was another moderator who babysat this thread.