I always said the 2nd hand game trade was far worse then piracy.

[HookeyStreet]

It was only a matter of time before other companies followed EA:

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/39060/Ubisoft-to-join-pre-owned-assault

They wont stop at this either. Before long, you will need a code to actually run the game. So you will have to purchase an activation code for every 2nd hand game you own......robbing b'stards!

 

[Phxprovost]

ohh god here we go again.


I pose this 1 question to all the people who for some reason think that used games are bad for the video game industry.

• 1. How much money does a company like game stop make selling a new console or game?

I know, i used to manage a video game store....

 

[HookeyStreet]

ohh god here we go again.


I pose this 1 question to all the people who for some reason think that used games are bad for the video game industry.

• 1. How much money does a company like game stop make selling a new console or game?

I know, i used to manage a video game store....

GAME/GameStation (in the UK, both run by Satan himself) are the main problem m8. They have an HUGE profit markup. On brand new games sure its something silly like 300% (my m8 works for them and Im sure this is what he said). Yet they pay VERY LITTLE for your preowned titles, then sell them at an huge profit also.

But you would know stuff like this

 

[DaveK]

The used game market is a scam. You get fuck all for a game and you pay top dollar. New games here retail at €50, they used to retail at €60. I bought GRID used for €60, I paid the full new price for a used game. They conveniently didn't have any new copies of it lying around despite only being a few months old. Not to mention when they get a profit when they're bought new.

GAME buy 20GB/60GB 360s for €100 and sell them on for €150. I bought Silent Hill used for €40 they bought it for €20. I bought a used 256MB memory card for €25. I sold new, sealed games for €15 each.

I hate buying pre-owned simply because the developers never get any money. And now this online charge? EA can kiss my ass, they shut down servers every year when they release their yearly garbage sports titles. You cant play older EA titles online because they shut it down for the sequels.

 

[Mussels]

dont worry, games cost tons more here.


If they want to shift more units, lower the damn asking price - asking more for the games outright AND more money for second hand sales is just greedy... if they do this, they'd better lower the initial prices.

 

[HookeyStreet]

The used game market is a scam. You get fuck all for a game and you pay top dollar. New games here retail at €50, they used to retail at €60. I bought GRID used for €60, I paid the full new price for a used game. They conveniently didn't have any new copies of it lying around despite only being a few months old. Not to mention when they get a profit when they're bought new.

GAME buy 20GB/60GB 360s for €100 and sell them on for €150. I bought Silent Hill used for €40 they bought it for €20. I bought a used 256MB memory card for €25. I sold new, sealed games for €15 each.

I hate buying pre-owned simply because the developers never get any money. And now this online charge? EA can kiss my ass, they shut down servers every year when they release their yearly garbage sports titles. You cant play older EA titles online because they shut it down for the sequels.

I totally agree. Its a disgrace.

dont worry, games cost tons more here.


If they want to shift more units, lower the damn asking price - asking more for the games outright AND more money for second hand sales is just greedy... if they do this, they'd better lower the initial prices.

The trouble is, they wont lower the RRP

 

[Mr McC]

I totally agree. Its a disgrace.



The trouble is, they wont lower the RRP

I'd say they'e more likely to raise it.

 

[HookeyStreet]

I'd say they'e more likely to raise it.

They probably will. Because when the word gets around about the £10 fee for a new code, the 2nd hand game market should be affected (which is obviously the whole point of this fee). So to recover any losses they will bump up the RRP

PS OT: I love that little Astronaut AV of yours, whats it from?

 

[DaedalusHelios]

dont worry, games cost tons more here.


If they want to shift more units, lower the damn asking price - asking more for the games outright AND more money for second hand sales is just greedy... if they do this, they'd better lower the initial prices.

I have a solution.... never pay for a console game. Then just buy PC games that offer online play as a component. You will save a good amount of money. Screw the video game industry as they lost sight of caring about what the customers wanted years ago.

But seriously...... I think the best answer to to deal with games that offer bad DRM or other second hand protection is to not buy them. There are other ways to play those games without paying into those game companies pockets which would be rewarding unfair treatment of the consumer. It is simply a logical response.

 

[Mr McC]

PS OT: I love that little Astronaut AV of yours, whats it from?

ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-adverts/p/ProjectFuture.jpg

http://tardis.dk/wordpress/?page_id=9

 

[HookeyStreet]

ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-adverts/p/ProjectFuture.jpg

http://tardis.dk/wordpress/?page_id=9

the links wont work because Im at work lol (I will check when I get home )

 

[dr emulator (madmax)]

one consideration when buying second hand (which has happened to me)
is dead sector discs, shops only test ps1 ps2 xbox360 games for a few minutes
so if say the error is on the end of the disc it'll be missed, and you'll be stuck with a bum disc (unless you can exchange it)

oh and when i've bought pc games of friends the same has happened ye thanks glen mate

 

[HookeyStreet]

one consideration when buying second hand (which has happened to me)
is dead sector discs, shops only test ps1 ps2 xbox360 games for a few minutes
so if say the error is on the end of the disc it'll be missed, and you'll be stuck with a bum disc (unless you can exchange it)

oh and when i've bought pc games of friends the same has happened ye thanks glen mate View attachment 35656

most places I know of dont even test the games anymore. They open the case, look at the disc and if its in half decent condition, take it from you (for a very small amount of cash). As you said, this is good if your selling, but bad if your buying

But because of this fact I have managed to sell GAME quite a few dead 360s

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Greedy barstewards,the world is getting greedier.

The usual secondhand market ploy,buy for feck all sell for massive profit.Its better to buy new now than put big profits into the likes of gamestations pockets.

 

[angelkiller]

I'm actually very concerned with where the game industry is going in regards to price.

I've always thought that games were expensive. $50 for a new game is alot. Then the 360/PS3 came out and now it's $60. That's crazy.

The thing is, you don't have a choice. If you want to play the game, you pay for it.

Now they want to take the rest of my money with DLC and paying to play used games.

DLC worries me becasue I'm afraid that when you get a new game, you'll only get half of the game, and they'll expect you to buy DLC to get the rest. They'll purposely make parts of the game DLC so you'll pay extra for them.

Paying to play used games is just another way to make money. They got their money already when the first person got ripped off when they bought the game. Now you're going to rip off me too?


In other news, The Pirate Bay is back up, now being hosted by the Sweedish Pirate Party.

I condone piracy. I'm not saying that pirating all your games will solve all your problems. But I do think that if piracy becomes rampant enough, two things will happen. 1) Legit buyers will complain about DRM and demand that it be removed. 2) Game developers will hear the legit buyer's complaints and see the loss of sales due to piracy. Then they'll do something else besides adding more DRM.

Or they do nothing because of the problem I outlined above. You don't have a choice. You'll complain, but you'll still buy them. A boycott is a solution, but there's no way you can create a boycott on video games that would actually affect something. Or at least, not yet.

I think a change will come, but alot more people will have to get mad.

This was a very unorganized post

 

[DaMulta]

I foretell a rise in Key Generators in the near future.


This will also effect people who rent, and use services like Gamefly.

 

[mdsx1950]

I'm actually very concerned with where the game industry is going in regards to price.

I've always thought that games were expensive. $50 for a new game is alot. Then the 360/PS3 came out and now it's $60. That's crazy.

The thing is, you don't have a choice. If you want to play the game, you pay for it.

Now they want to take the rest of my money with DLC and paying to play used games.

DLC worries me becasue I'm afraid that when you get a new game, you'll only get half of the game, and they'll expect you to buy DLC to get the rest. They'll purposely make parts of the game DLC so you'll pay extra for them.

Paying to play used games is just another way to make money. They got their money already when the first person got ripped off when they bought the game. Now you're going to rip off me too?


In other news, The Pirate Bay is back up, now being hosted by the Sweedish Pirate Party.

I condone piracy. I'm not saying that pirating all your games will solve all your problems. But I do think that if piracy becomes rampant enough, two things will happen. 1) Legit buyers will complain about DRM and demand that it be removed. 2) Game developers will hear the legit buyer's complaints and see the loss of sales due to piracy. Then they'll do something else besides adding more DRM.

Or they do nothing because of the problem I outlined above. You don't have a choice. You'll complain, but you'll still buy them. A boycott is a solution, but there's no way you can create a boycott on video games that would actually affect something. Or at least, not yet.

I think a change will come, but alot more people will have to get mad.

This was a very unorganized post

+1

Ubisoft lost one of his most valuable customers (me ) after using the new DRM on ACII and Convictions and making convictions badly optimized. You can consider me an Ubi-only pirate now lol.

 

[AsRock]

Here a new console game at Gamestop costs new $60 then they buy it back for $20 ( YES $20 ) then they sell them around $56 excluding tax.

Which is why i don't go gamestop and have not for some years now when they started to kill off EBGames ( same company different policys ) which sells second hand pc games.

 

[Mussels]

Here a new console game at Gamestop costs new $60 then they buy it back for $20 ( YES $20 ) then they sell them around $56 excluding tax.

Which is why i don't go gamestop and have not for some years now when they started to kill off EBGames ( same company different policys ) which sells second hand pc games.

i love walking into cash converters here in town and seeing single-use games like the orange box, bad company 2 and so on for sale second hand... you know, the ones that dont let you use the CD key a second time

 

[Kreij]

Looks like THQ jumped on the wagon too. They are going to charge $5 for used UFC 2010 mp play.

 

[qubit]

i love walking into cash converters here in town and seeing single-use games like the orange box, bad company 2 and so on for sale second hand... you know, the ones that dont let you use the CD key a second time

Surely that's fraud? I'd go and ask them about it, just to see what they say.

 

[Mussels]

Surely that's fraud? I'd go and ask them about it, just to see what they say.

they say that if someone buys it and returns it not working, they hunt down the person who sold it to them and get their money back.

however, half the time its people who do a runner to a new town or whatever, and cant be contacted by the time some idiot actually buys the games from them.

 

[HookeyStreet]

Looks like THQ jumped on the wagon too. They are going to charge $5 for used UFC 2010 mp play.

Really? I will test this theory when I get home. I have UFC Undisputed 2010, but I dont have a 'key'.

 

[qubit]

they say that if someone buys it and returns it not working, they hunt down the person who sold it to them and get their money back.

however, half the time its people who do a runner to a new town or whatever, and cant be contacted by the time some idiot actually buys the games from them.

But surely the shop would cotton on after a couple of times?

They can't be that stupid... or maybe they can.

 

[Mussels]

But surely the shop would cotton on after a couple of times?

They can't be that stupid... or maybe they can.

mid thirties men, early twenties women? not a clue about anything to do with PC's