Friday, September 27th 2013

Radeon R9 290X Could Strike the $599.99 Price-point

AMD's next-generation flagship graphics card, the Radeon R9 290X, could strike a US $599.99 (or 499.99€, £399.99 before taxes) price-point, turning up the heat on the more expensive offerings by NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 780 and GTX TITAN. The card should be available from mid-October. Based on the new 28 nm "Hawaii" silicon, the card is expected to feature 2,816 GCN stream processors, spread across 44 SIMDs (11 computing units). Other specifications include 172 TMUs, 44 ROPs, and a 512-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, holding 4 GB of memory, which likely achieves its >300 GB/s memory bandwidth with a 5.00 GHz memory clock. The company is expected to launch 6 GB variants of the card a little later.

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#2
Frag Maniac
From purecain's closed thread...

"AMD Radeon R9 290X will support new technology TrueAudio, a truly programmable audio technology for game developers."

I was watching the stage demo in Hawaii yesterday and couldn't help but be skeptical whether everyone would even be able to take advantage of this feature, since it's common that many can't even successfully get HDMI audio out of their current cards, myself included.
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#3
arbiter
Frag Maniac said:
From purecain's closed thread...

"AMD Radeon R9 290X will support new technology TrueAudio, a truly programmable audio technology for game developers."

I was watching the stage demo in Hawaii yesterday and couldn't help but be skeptical whether everyone would even be able to take advantage of this feature, since it's common that many can't even successfully get HDMI audio out of their current cards, myself included.
you can, you just gotta go in sound panel (least on windows) and set audio output to hdmi port tv is on. But how many people use output like that? HTPC yea it would be useful but for a desktop you have a speaker set for sound.

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#4
TheGuruStud
arbiter said:
you can, you just gotta go in sound panel (least on windows) and set audio output to hdmi port tv is on. But how many people use output like that? HTPC yea it would be useful but for a desktop you have a speaker set for sound.
It's a lot easier than that.

In VLC you can easily select audio outputs.


I assume you meant switching back and forth was a pain in the ass.
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#5
Vario
arbiter said:
you can, you just gotta go in sound panel (least on windows) and set audio output to hdmi port tv is on. But how many people use output like that? HTPC yea it would be useful but for a desktop you have a speaker set for sound.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8012/lebp.png
HDMI audio works perfect on my 7850. Hooked it up to my monitor and forgot all about the fact that the monitor had speakers built in LOL. Sound came right out no need to change any settings.
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#6
Steevo
Frag Maniac said:
From purecain's closed thread...

"AMD Radeon R9 290X will support new technology TrueAudio, a truly programmable audio technology for game developers."

I was watching the stage demo in Hawaii yesterday and couldn't help but be skeptical whether everyone would even be able to take advantage of this feature, since it's common that many can't even successfully get HDMI audio out of their current cards, myself included.
I have never had any issues, even when using multiple audio outputs, Netflix on one monitor and game on another.


But it is easier to complain and whine, instead of doing something productive isn't it?

Have you tried to RMA your card, different HDMI cable, has the issue occured with different drivers?
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#7
Mussels
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might be time to ugprade my 5870's.


oh and i've never had HDMI audio issues either - generally a bad receiver is the issue, or people not understanding the technology and its limitations (stuff like TV's having only 2.0 output, receiver before TV, etc)
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#8
Patriot
HumanSmoke said:
Not really the same thing on the spec sheet even if the practical realities are somewhat closer- and I think the possible part we're discussing is more aimed at marketing bullet-points than any performance part missing from the inventory.
GTX 780 = 2304 shaders, 3GB GDDR5, 1:24 FP64
Titan = 2688 shaders, 6GB GDDR5, 1:3 FP64

Other possible combinations are therefore
2688 shader, 3GB GDDR5, 1:3 FP64 and 2688 shader, 6GB GDDR5, 1:24 FP64
You could also add 7Gb/sec effective memory if the GK 110's memory controller could be QA'ed for the speed. Running out of spec for OC'ed cards is generally a whole lot different from reference validation.

So buy the 6GB version. Just as you like 6GB isn't it conceivable that someone else would be happy to sacrifice 3GB to have 30-40% reduction in price?

Same argument. See above.

Titan : 2688 shaders....K6000 : 2880 shaders. Titan is a salvage part...so you're lusting over a nerfed part already
Tell that to Jen Hsun and Rory, and provide an alternative income stream for them to recoup their loss of ROI.
It's a nice idea...but basically an idealized scenario totally divorced from reality.
HD 7870XT (Tahiti LE) 75% enabled die (shaders). Introduced 5 months after the fully enabled part.
GTX 660Ti (GK104-300) 88% enabled die (shaders). Introduced 5 months after the fully enabled part.
HD 6930 (Cayman CE) 83% enabled die (shaders). Introduced 12 months after the fully enabled part.
GTX 560Ti 448SP (GF110-270) 88% enabled die (shaders). Introduced 13 months after the fully enabled part.
HD 5830 (Cypress LE) 70% enabled die (shaders). Introduced 5 months after the fully enabled part
.....
7970 and 7950 were released ~10 days apart...
680 and 670 were 2 mo. apart...

They are not all just fused off chips... the die is smaller... a spread of performance is important.
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#9
HumanSmoke
Patriot said:
.....
7970 and 7950 were released ~10 days apart...
680 and 670 were 2 mo. apart...
And?
BTW: The 7970 was paper-launched on the 22nd December, availability was from the 9th January, and the 7950 launch on the 31st January.
Patriot said:
They are not all just fused off chips... the die is smaller..
Yeah? You got some proof of that?
Is Tahiti LE a physically smaller die than Tahiti XT?
Is GK104-300 physically smaller than GK104-400?
Is Cayman CE physically smaller than Cayman XT?
Is GF110-270 physically smaller than GF110-375?
Is Cypress LE physically smaller than Cypress XT?
Crap Daddy said:
Apparently NDA is lifted on October 2. Seems reasonable since on the 3rd pre-orders should start.
Well, if this to be believed the NDA lifts on the 15th October. Could be anxious two week wait for those who stump up their credit card info for the pre-order.

I don't think I've ever bought something that I didn't know the price of, and didn't know the specifications of at the time I made payment. Don't think I ever will.
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#10
Prima.Vera
Mussels said:
might be time to ugpgrade my 5870's.
Personally I am waiting for the 3xx series. So far there are absolutely no games that require new videocard(s). My (yours) 5870 Crossfire, when working properly is easily on pair with a 7870 card, even in some cases like a 7950 card; specially on those Unreal engine based games.
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#11
Jaffakeik
Hmm looks very nice,but is it really needed becuase 7970 still gets max out of games these days
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#12
noctuanhd14
I thought the pre-orders for the 290x opened up on Oct 3rd? I just checked and noticed its still not up, did I miss some news announcement? :confused:
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#14
TheGuruStud
Prima.Vera said:
Personally I am waiting for the 3xx series. So far there are absolutely no games that require new videocard(s). My (yours) 5870 Crossfire, when working properly is easily on pair with a 7870 card, even in some cases like a 7950 card; specially on those Unreal engine based games.
:confused: my xfire OCed 7950s say otherwise. The games are so unoptimized that you need dual high end cards just to play games maxed out at 1080. Forget 1440+ on almost anything. AA will devour your decent frame rates.
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#15
Prima.Vera
TheGuruStud said:
:confused: my xfire OCed 7950s say otherwise. The games are so unoptimized that you need dual high end cards just to play games maxed out at 1080. Forget 1440+ on almost anything. AA will devour your decent frame rates.
Sorry mate, but if you say that with occ 7950s in CrossFire you have problems running your games in 1080p, then you're doing something wrong or is time for you to dump that AMD processor. My 580/5850 cards pull minimum 40-50 fps in ALL games with Ultra Quality. :eek:







BTW:

592$ for preordering a Saphire 290X

http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=0110040015013_BTF3729P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!
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#16
TheGuruStud
Prima.Vera said:
Sorry mate, but if you say that with occ 7950s in CrossFire you have problems running your games in 1080p, then you're doing something wrong or is time for you to dump that AMD processor. My 580/5850 cards pull minimum 40-50 fps in ALL games with Ultra Quality. :eek:

http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/A/369262/original/SkyrimUltraCPUBottleneck2013.pnghttp://media.bestofmicro.com/W/W/369248/original/F12012UltraCPUBottleneck2013.png





BTW:

592$ for preordering a Saphire 290X

http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=0110040015013_BTF3729P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!
Who plays F1 :roll: And skyrimjob is an RPG :shadedshu (those also appear to be two threaded only games)

I don't have problems at 1080, but it does take 2 cards. One will not work. Dropping under 60 fps is not acceptable, which, you left out. Minimum framerate is important, not the average or max.

Also, I have an OCed spintel 4670k, too. It's not any faster. And I believe nothing that Tom's or Anand says, EVER, unless it's substantiated elsewhere (they've been shills for way too long).

I won't be buying it b/c of EA, but Battlefield 4 beta never drops under 60 fps maxed at 1080, so I guess that's good news for a lot of people.
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#20
Prima.Vera
I would love to see the video card for 600$ or 450€. Unfortunately this is a dream in EU...
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